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suck it up I'm afraid. My dog always runs up to other dogs ... some want to play, some have a snap at her. Its my dogs fault entirely (well its also kind of mine for not having her on the lead I guess) but you can hardly blame the owner whos dog was minding his own business... and on a lead.
Your pups probably learned a lesson..hopefully she gets well soon!
I've got pictures of the owner and dog, video of him admitting it was his dog and refusing to pass on details.
People do this? I think I'd be refusing to pass on details too as I'd got into an altercation with a crazy stalker nerd.
I hope your dog heals well; I strongly suspect he will have moved on and forgotten about it long before you.
Hopefully he'll remember it enough to know that next time he runs at a dog he doesn't know and shoves his face into that dog's space, he might get bitten. Because then this will have been worth it.
The way my dogs have been trained is that if they do growl or snarl at an approach, I will back off but then calmly and firmly tell the dog 'No!' and exert my authority over it in that way, before then doing whatever it was that caused the issue in the first place.
WTF are you talking about?
Don't agree with that at all. Dogs should be allowed to socialise. Dangerous ones could be that way because they weren't socialised properly as pups.
dogs can socialise on the lead too you know. owners that let their dog come up to mine always get annoyed because he barks at them and with him being a GSD its my fault. It means I have to deal with the dog just because other owners are selfish ****ers
Eh? Yes, I know dogs can socialise on a lead. I also know that many dogs "on lead" aren't as happy to socialise with dogs off lead. All owners act the same? Thats odd. If my dog starts to go near a dog on a lead, I call her back, certainly don't get "annoyed".
OK, say my dog has something they shouldn't have that you want to take off them.
If you go up to them and look like you're going to take it. Ideally, you'd want them to just give it up no questions asked, but sometimes that doesn't happen if she's decided it's particularly high value, and if she isn't happy about it then she'll give you a warning growl.
If you then continue in, she's warned you, the next thing she might do is a proper growl with bared teeth.
If you then continue in again, after having been warned twice, then she might snap at you.
This is not acceptable; but I can understand the dog's position and both parties need to learn how to deal with it.
So, after the warning growl I'll tell her with commands she has been trained and understands (eg: Leave) and tone of voice that it isn't happening how she wants it to, and because she understands her position in the hierarchy, she'll back down. And then i can take away whatever it was that caused the issue in the first place.
If I, or anyone else just marched up and without warning or discussion took away something that she feels isn't there to be taken away, then she might react badly and snap immediately. That's absolutely not acceptable, hence why I want her to warn first.
I'd far rather have a dog that growls to warn you, than a dog that just snaps as a first response. I don't believe growling is bad in that respect, and while you can train a dog to be more accepting of these situations, you don't want to punish a dog for giving you a verbal warning and remove it from their options.
[reality - it makes my dog sound like a problem, she isn't. We can take food, toys, socks - she's obsessed with socks - away from her with no fuss. The only thing she's recently got possessive over was a dead vole she found on a walk. My wife walked up to see what she had and the dog growled to tell her to back off. She told the dog 'leave!' and swapped it for a treat and the situation was over, just how it should be]
My tuppence worth - the OP dog was not on a lead and the other dog's owner warned him that his dog wouldn't like it yet the OP made no effort to move his dog away.
Being the owner of a 6 month old puppy myself (which I am currently training off a lead) I still put her back on her lead as soon as I see a dog in the distance so I can be in control of her. When she approaches other dogs I always ensure that she is straining on the lead so I have her under full control and able to pull her away at the first sign of trouble.
And just like the OPs story, I have had some people warn me that their dog isn't very good around puppies so I always ensure she is moved immediately away.
So two things were learned IMO:
1 - The puppy learned that not all other dogs want to be his friend
2 - The owner learned to keep his puppy under better control around other dogs
Off his lead
That's as far as I got reading this thread. You know what usually follows, it's probably justified.
How many more pages? That's what I need to know.
[i]the other dog's owner warned him that his dog wouldn't like it yet the OP made no effort to move his dog away[/i]
how long does it take your puppy to cross a metre of grass at walking pace? Long enough to make an effort to move it away from another dog that's not obviously on the lead and will bite if anythign gets within 50cm?
here's the lead, sorry it's a small pic, it's a snip from a larger image. You could barely see it when wasn't on the ground, laying in grass it was invisible.
As I say, we steer clear of dogs on the lead and the owner gave, imo, a late and inadequate warning and made no effort to manage a behaviour he *knew* his dog would exhibit. He only glanced up from his mobile at the last second.
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How can you not see that, the lead has a blooming great big red handle?
oh FFS dragon, The bit between the handle and the dog.
for the pedantic or half witted:
a handle:
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a lead:
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The handle was laying beside him on a bench whilst he held and looked at his phone. The dog was at least 10ft away from the handle.
My dog will be more cautious in future, his dog will continue biting other dogs because it's ok for it to do that when it's on a lead in a public place.
Right I'm off.
TBH I was more on your side before, but it now just sounds like you weren't paying attention. Which may be okay if you had a trained adult dog, but if you have a 5 month old puppy then you need to be more alert to whats happening.
Dragon, is reading a bit tough for you?
the owner gave, imo, a late and inadequate warning and made no effort to manage a behaviour he *knew* his dog would exhibit. He only glanced up from his mobile at the last second.
So he warned you as soon as he saw you then?
I'm with bouncy pupped learned hard lesson, forget it camp.
My reading is fine thanks, nice of you to ask. However, clearly seeing a blooming great red handle of a lead is too much for the OP.
The scenario is a dog owner on a bench isn't paying attention to their own dog, and yet the OP still felt it was fine to let a 5 month old daft pup go scampering up to an unknown dog. As I said before it is pretty 50:50 who is at fault, but the OP does himself no favours by coming up with excuses for not being more attentive and controlling his puppy better.
I am struggling to understand the OP reasoning here - is he saying that he is happy for his puppy to approach a dog if it is *not* on the lead but he would stop it from doing so if *on* a lead?
If so, why?
Dogs can be more temperamental on a lead, I imagine they feel trapped so can get anxious when another dog approaches them.
The OP should learn to read dogs' body language, both his pup's and others'.
No lead- good doggie; on lead- bad doggie is a bit simplistic.
If in doubt talk to the dog. He may be more intelligent than the owner. If you sound friendly, he'll be reassured and feel less threatrened by you or your dog.
This is also important when cycling, not only with dogs, but horses too.
Communication is key.
You say you're reluctant to in case you go too short on the nails, have you thought about looking up about dremelling them? Ziva has hers dremelled weekly to keep on top of them and you can tell much better when you're getting close because you can see the cross section as it were. Be good to get the pup used to it while young, Ziva has ticklish back feet so I have to do it quickly before she kicks me in the head!
Dogs can be more temperamental on a lead, I imagine they feel trapped so can get anxious when another dog approaches them.
In the short time I have had a puppy I don't agree with that in all cases though (although I can appreciate the basic assumption). We've had a couple of occasions where a dog has been off its lead and has been aggressive / badly behaved.
I think snappy dog needs to learn a lesson by biting one that gives him one back.
Should be muzzled.
As far as I know, a dog that bites another dog. May never ever bite a child, on there face or anywhere else. I don't understand the reason for linking these two things together.
As for OP's dog being injured. I was told by a policeman, that if my dog injures another dog. I am liable for the bill.
I was told by a policeman that if your dog was off lead then its your own fault. I pointed out that it was the man threatenning me with a fire extinguisher and kicking his own dog that I was reporting!!
No sympathy here tbh. Dog doesnt look too bad and if the little/big fella learns from it then its been a blessing. Seems its owner needs to learn as well.
Put it this way, if the OP had posted up that his lumbering, pretty big, puppy had bounced up to a frightened kid and knocked him over(Entirely possible seeing it was off the lead) and the kids father had dealt out a severe kick in the slats for the OP or even a major hoof in the mouth to the OP's dog, i guess most would be telling the OP to jog on.
Who is to know that the other guys dog hasnt been attacked by dogs off the lead before? Who is to know that the other dog wasnt being protective of its owner etc etc etc.
You let you dog approach other people/dogs then you accept they may not be welcomed.