[Closed] Public sector workers...Be happy you have a job !

I am happy I've got a job.

Don't feed it.

NO SPACE BEFORE EXCLAMATION MARK!!!

*downs tools and goes on strike in disgust*

Why don't you get a pension?

Spending a couple of years self employed shold be compulsory, then people would know when they're well off.

I don't get a pension ! Maybe I should go on strike !

NO SPACE BEFORE EXCLAMATION MARK!!!
sorry !

Why don't you get a public sector job?

cos I work for a charity and there isn't a pension scheme

Maybe you should do some exercise for a start? 😕

and I cant afford one! how else can I pay for my Bentley

What a damning indictment of our society that anyone should be happy to have a job.......as if it's a rare privilege.

Id rather not work but not working wont put Socks on my childrens feet nor food in their mouths...unless I went on benefits(dont get me started)

I disagree ernie, I'm happy to have regular bowel movements too, and that's quite common.

is it just me, or are a lot of these 'anti-public sector workers' feelings sprouted from jealousy?

I would LOVE to work in the public sector. Also, if I had a pension (which I don't) that was X% and then someone wanted to up-end it AND make me work longer AND make it worth less....I'd bloody well be striking too!

Socks? Have they got shoes too?

.......unless I went on benefits(dont get me started)

Oh go on please........tell us what it's like on benefits.

my first job in 1999
Salary £10,000
Pension I put in 3% Company Put in 3% - output based on investments
That was private sector

As pointed out today at least we don't have to pay you when you are on strike

I don't get a pension ! Maybe I should go on strike !

Which is precisely the way the Government wants non-public sector workers to think. It's called "divide and rule". Pension entitlement is not a race-to-the-bottom where every sector becomes poorer unless you're one of the untouchables. When you hear a politician say "we're all in it together" what they really mean is "you're all in it together".

How about this: preserve pension entitlement in the public sector, preserve working Ts&Cs as well, tax bank transactions and legislate to force banks to lend to small businesses and potential home-owners to stimulate the economy so that pensionless workers in the private sector stand a chance too. If banks fail to meet these conditions and pay back the tax revenue, penalise them.

Please don't be fooled by this insidious Public Sector vs Private Sector division. That is not where the fault-line lies.

ernie_lynch - Member

.......unless I went on benefits(dont get me started)

Oh go on please........tell us what it's like on benefits.

It's crap... and before you ask, I am because I have NO choice.. I stay at home to look after my chronicaly ill wife.. I used to have a good, well paid job, and so did she.

Now, there is about enough money to live, but thats it.

I would much rather have a job - any job.

ernie_lynch - Member
".......unless I went on benefits(dont get me started)"
Oh go on please........tell us what it's like on benefits.

I'll put the kettle on.

It's crap

Well actually I was asking the unfitgeezer. Besides, I don't believe you. I'm sure you get a great big telly given to you, all your rent on a huge detached 4 double bedroom house paid for, foreign holidays, and all the booze/fags/drugs money you need.

The unfitgeezer will be along in a minute to explain it all to us, you just wait and see.

I worked for 12 years in the private sector before joining the public sector 8 years ago. I was advised to pay my 12 year pension contributions into my new jobs scheme which equated to 8 years. Now due to the increase in retirement age I am going to lose all the those contributions. Now regardless of your views on public sector pensions that is clearly unfair. I also pay over 11% in contributions for the privalage of a pension.

The best pension provision I have seen belonged to charities.

unfitgeezer - Member
I don't get a pension ! Maybe I should go on strike !

Firstly they have to pay into the pension it is not Free!

Also the Government are now to be taping into there pension and making the employees
pay an extra up to £ 50 pounds a month till they retire, not to pay into there pension
and then the employee to benefit upon retirement.

But to pay off towards the Deficit set by the Banks.

So yeah great pension

Let's all have a race to the bottom!

TandemJeremy - Member
The best pension provision I have seen belonged to charities.

And the underground staff

i was in hamburg at the end of last month for a job. in the middle of town there was a protest going on. the Beamten (public sector employees) were getting all shouty because they weren't being given their christmas bonus this year. the bonus is a set 1000€ for each worker plus 300€ for each kind they have.

F-U i thought.... why do you think you are entitled to a bonus for doing what is asked of you?

i've been self employed pretty much since leaving college.

i've got £55k in pension/savings and i'm 29. i wouldn't have been able to accumulate so much if i were an employee.

i'd much rather be on my own than employed by a company. i needn't ask or bicker with colleagues about having time off for a holiday. if i'm late on that day then i'm late, so what?

doing a similar job as an employee i'd be worse off than i am now.

i can dodge/avoid a lot more tax.

i know when i'm ill.

does make renting or getting a mortage a little trickier, mind...

I work for a private company contracting to a Government agency, I get a crap pension while the company I work for charges 2-3 times as much as it would cost to directly employ me. But its OK because the company makes a nice big profit which benefits the MD who got a 33% pay rise this year, thankfully I also got a cost of living rise of 2%, so trickle down does work after all.

Of course its not the fault of a failing neo conservative policy to create profit out of essential services and divert tax away from providing those services and into the coffers of the rich, its all those bloody teachers, social workers, street cleaners and lollipop ladies. How dare they demand a pension after they destroyed the worlds banking industry.

What a damning indictment of our society that anyone should be happy to have a job.......as if it's a rare privilege.

Well that's one way to look at it, another might be that no one has a right to a job and income unless they have the relevant skills and work ethic that an employer want's to pay for. Controversial I know but hey some people have really weird ideas about how the world actually works.....

Is it really a race to the bottom or are they trying to introduce things via the back door?

The race to the bottom will all be nasty propaganda written by the right wing press - cos that's a well known doctrine of how things work.

midlifecrashes - Member
Is it really a race to the bottom or are they trying to introduce things via the back door?

Is it really a race to the bottom or are they trying to introduce things via the back door?

Think they'll kick it in?

So Im a knob for having a view ! D/Head or how about you politely enlighten me how it works...

I have absolutely nothing against anyone claiming benefits...only benefit cheats which there are plenty...

My charity doesn't offer a pension !

As TJ says. All you people who are jealous of the public sectory - go and get a job there.

Have any of you actually tried to find one?

As above, the pension is not free, it gets deducted from our salaries each month. Being a public sector worker generally means lower wages compared to someone doing a similar job in the private sector.

only benefit cheats which there are plenty

But it would appear that maybe not quite as many as tax cheats :

[url= http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser/tax-evasion-costs-treasury-15-times-more-than-benefit-fraud/a378274 ]Tax evasion costs Treasury 15 times more than benefit fraud[/url]

Yes that's right, tax cheats cost the Treasury/government 15 times more than benefit cheats.
Although bizarrely, it hardly, if ever, gets mentioned in the media.

and i dislike tax cheats

Would that be the nasty right wing, got an agenda, press we keep getting warned about?

i dislike tax cheats

Why didn't you mention them then ?

Specially as they cost us 15 times more than benefit cheats.

cos you did ! and you are obviously considerably better informed than I

Ah but if you're merely exploiting the inability of the people elected to govern us to actually do that and legally using loop holes in the law are you still a tax cheat or are you actually a hero of the common working (tax paying) man for refusing to bend to the ever growing demands of an out of control (and touch) state.

and legally using loop holes in the law

Read the link, it's not legally using loop holes in the law which is costing the government 15 times more than benefit fraud - it's straightforward illegal tax fraud.

Tax evasion, not tax avoidance. Part of the £30 billion per year fraud in the UK.

Oh whell.

read the link

On another train of thought why don't the public sector workers get off their backsides and do the job they're paid for.

I'll clarify that, why don't the police, inland revenue, council officials etc. put a stop to all this naughty illegality, or is the fact there are lots of bad people (mainly private sector employees I'm sure) out there not paying their taxes, not the responsibility of said officialdom (apologies if I've not named the appropriate pillars of the public sector).

Wish I could afford a holiday to Amsterdam with my wife and 2 kids and have a MacBook pro 😐

I must say I'm enjoying the cavalier approach of this bit of trolling, makes a nice change from the usual can't-tell-if-serious nature of our trolls. Bit of biodiversity.

I'll clarify that, why don't the police, inland revenue, council officials etc. put a stop to all this naughty illegality

I think they're all riding a gravy train, or something.

(apologies if I've not named the appropriate pillars of the public sector)

It's the HMRC's job to do that. [url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/oct/20/spending-review-civil-service-job-cuts ]That's HMRC who have got rid of loads of the people whose job it is to do that[/url]. This is the same HMRC who let Vodaphone off a £8bn tax bill; a decision made by the most wined and dined civil servant.

They dont do anything about tax evasion because its a poliical issue.

All the governments buddies run these companies, allthe government are in the pocket of thse people.

You think we elect the government, well maybe we do but we only get to elect the people that big business want to have in power.

"Wish I could afford a holiday to Amsterdam with my wife and 2 kids and have a MacBook pro"

what a really mature thing to say!

what a really mature thing to say!

Gosh, what a lot can be found out through someone's posting history 🙂

I appreciate I have a job very thankful in the current climate but I'm not happy that the pension I signed for 22 years ago is not being messed around with.

I also find out in a few weeks if there's going to be any changes to my job, it could mean a pay cut or a huge change in conditions. However, I remain thankful that the job I have provides my family well but I have to work for it.

Finally after that my role is being reviewed again, no this is separate from above this concentrates on my grade not service wide, again my pay could be effect, shift patterns and responsibilities.

So if you think we get a smooth ride then you're wrong, like any job we are subject to many things effecting it. However, what we do have is those that will stand up and say this is wrong and fight for it not whine get on with it anyway or move jobs for the same to happen again.

If we all rolled over when changes were being made we'd all be shafted. Many strikes over the years have done huge harm but others brought around the better working conditions we all work under.

I don't get a pension ! Maybe I should go on strike !

What an immature thing to say 🙄

ah you got me bruneep!