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4 part new series, and Alice is back - whoop!
Trailer looks good / intriguing (have always liked the way Luther plays on horror/weird/almost supernatural imagery). Looking forward to it.
Can’t wait! It’s New Years Day yeah?
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Can’t wait! It’s New Years Day yeah?
Yep, 9:00pm BBC New Years day - clashes with the Inbetweeners reunion on the other side...
clashes with the Inbetweeners reunion on the other side…
I don't know how good that's going to be, the promo I read online made it sound like it was a special one-off episode of them 10 years later, but really it's a chip show with them sat around talking about old times, I'll stream it down the road - Luther is the only thing on my Radar for tomorrow!
Well I enjoyed that - but what programs has her house been used in before (Hermoine Whatserface)
Cold Feet
Yep not bad. I didn’t realise it was on daily. Spoiler Alert - Alice returns tonight.
I’m still not sure who the faux killer was though?
Well, I wish I'd watched the Inbetweeners. Luther was pretty crap. Why does Dermott Crowley look like he's permanently got dog shit up his nostrils? What an annoying face. And the new woman can't act.
Struggled to get into Luther last night... but then the final few seconds changed that!
I’m still not sure who the faux killer was though?
Yeah I've not managed to figure out much, too complicated these murder mystery now.
Don't know which sworded mind comes up with these characters though. Terrifying.
Normally love watching Luther, but last night's one didn't really take me. Just seemed all about rushed.
Will watch the rest some hopefully it sorts itself out
And the new woman can’t act.
Halliday? She's supposed to be acting about acting for Luther's behalf - playing the junior detective and hiding her talent whilst likely about to transcend Luther in a plot switch somewhere.
Double bluff a bit too much for her perhaps...
I’m still not sure who the faux killer was though?
Isn't that kind of the point, it's not Columbo you know!
^ Surprised at the above - I really liked how they have thrown in several stories that are seemingly not connected but I think the story arc will start to bring them all together. And I have never really liked Hermoine Whatserface but I thought she played a great character and, dare I say it, a tiny bit sexy.
+1. I assume the 4 part arc will become clearer at some point. Guessing that somehow Alice ties it all together?
Enjoyed it even though it was a bit rushed in seeing everything up for the other episodes. Did feel a bit like a last throw of the dice too - 'how much weird stuff can we throw at one episode /series?'. Felt a bit too Silence Of The Lambs / X-Files at times.
I also assume that at some point Luther and Halliday will switch roles (permanently if Elba is done with the character?).
Halliday?
No, the 'actress' who plays Halliday.
I also assume that at some point Luther and Halliday will switch roles (permanently if Elba is done with the character?).
Its possible, but not. Idris Elba is Luther, without him it needs another name and probably becomes yet another BBC dectective show. Is their room for another Silent Witness without Luther/Elba as the quirky differentiator?
I really enjoyed it and am slightly puzzled by the posts above tbh, it didn't seem any different in terms of pacing or having parallel storylines to any of the previous series to me.
I enjoyed it, although it does seem rushed. Its very Scandi in its look and feel but the pacing is too quick imo. Compared to say The Bridge it just goes a bit too quick. I expect its budget issues.
I was really annoyed about them stomping all over the sandpit/evidence, but other than that it was quite good i thought.
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I was really annoyed about them stomping all over the sandpit/evidence, but other than that it was quite good i thought.
Yes and the continuity error with his tie in the kitchen, but it didn't really matter. It's not a serious procedural drama, it's almost a comic book with over the top characters made into a live action show. Sorta like Batman I suppose, except the Luthermobile probably won't pass its next MOT without a backhander to the garage.
it just goes a bit too quick.
Perhaps they are trying to fit in 6 hours worth of story into the four hours Idris and Ruth can spare these days given they have moved on since the early days?
Tie continuity error.
Obvious, let’s call them “homages” to Hannibal Lecter movies - Red Dragon posing in front of the projected images, eyeballs and tongue in the jar. Benjamin Raspail’s head from “Silence...”.
Would anybody really be that stupid to not simply call the cops after seeing a murder and also really find it difficult to avoid being caught by the murderer when they’re both on foot? Banging on the teachers’ door instead of just calling it in and hiding quietly in the dark?
Luther amazingly able to jump his quarry in the maze of containers when the guy is on foot in the narrow bits but he’s in a car charging along the wide bit?
Turning on the tap after he’s switched on the kettle.
The police at HQ claiming the difficulty of pinpointing the suspect in “Hampstead Wood” whilst they’re actually looking at the pinpoint location of his phone whilst listening to him using it.
Suddenly being completely well just after he’s been punched in the ribs hard enough to at least fracture them.
Quite fancy the psychiatrist, though. Maximum quirk, there... 😳😉😜
Benny also had a video footage of the psychiatrist wandering through the woods while they were struggling to find her
And that ain't the half of it Mr W.
Hard-bitten gangster who doesn’t know how to fire a growler.
its all good fun but i did notice the errors too... not really convinced with the whole Cornelius crew thing, its all a bit too 'Guy Ritchie' for me.
also theres a full squad of armed police in the park yet Loofa ends up tracking the fella himself through the woods on his own! no dogs or thermal imagery either...? cant let that stuff spoil the enjoyment tho
Of course, we the viewers already know more than Luther and Halliday so they've got a bit of catching up to do tonight'
Hopefully if they raid an address with a dozen armed police in attendance again Luther and Halliday won't suddenly appear alone wondering around the house room by room, not an armed cop to be seen...
Isn't the house this one that was on Grand Designs - https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/jan/03/house-architecure-highgate-cemetery
also theres a full squad of armed police in the park
And stomping around like elephants with dyspraxia with gun spots lighting their way when in stealth tracking mode. That was the bit which irked me most.
All these things I sat there humphing at - glad it's not just me.
e.g. takes a proper beating, manages to undo a bolt with fingers, outsmarts half-a-dozen armed gangsters, gets home without so much a bleeding lip.
Luther is nails.
outsmarts half-a-dozen armed gangsters
Well, be fair, he did have a broken chair that had just completely collapsed under him and then was whole again..
^ He fixed it when you weren't looking. He is Luther after all.
It's all complete bollox but great fun to watch. What about the henchman not having a gun between them in the chair tazer scene but more guns than Clarence boddicker's crew when they were sat in balon greyjoys front room looking at a phone?
Perhaps they are trying to fit in 6 hours worth of story into the four hours Idris and Ruth can spare these days given they have moved on since the early days?
I think this is exactly it, they cost more now.
Still not convinced!
Seems really low budget and bad acting from Luther and halliday. As if Luther isn't really wanting to be there
I thought he threw his coat in the Thames, then tonight he was wearing it again?
we saw his wardrobe in an earlier episode; lots of coats!
thought last nights was great! although i wish id done a refresher viewing of the last series...
And what’s with that knees-akimbo walk? Has he got piles?
Edit: As you were...
It's just glum and violent, rubbish acting , mumbled vocal track .... and flimed in such dark light it is difficult to see ...
And why does everyone raves about Idris ... acting is very monodimensional ...
I thought there was something wrong with my TV.. May try again tonight but so fra looks like overated crap. Dont rate him as an actor either.
And what’s with that knees-akimbo walk? Has he got piles?
That's Idris' 'natural' bowling gait. Or at least Luther and Stringer Bell both have it.
I must be the only STWer who's actually really enjoying it? Maybe my NY resolution to be far less cynical and over-analytical is helping.
I am enjoying it too - I especially liked the switch in character by the surgeon. And the dim lighting in the unlit house felt realistic rather than just underlit.
I must be the only STWer who’s actually really enjoying it?
Nope I'm enjoying it too.
And me. I've been following the thread and not sure if its me that prefers my brain switched off, or I do one if those analysing every detail actually enjoy watching telly for what it is. Maybe they're on a higher plane or something...
it's just fashionable to by all grumbly about realism / continuity / acting. Don't listen to them, it's an entertainment show. Are you being entertained by it*? If yes, then ignore them, if not or if the 'errors' are spoiling it that much go and do something else.
My new years resolution is to not surround myself by grumpy ****ers because they infect me with it, and I'm fed up being like that. Where I can't avoid them I try to ignore them.
* yes, i am, even if it is from behind my hands at times.
I think a few of are enjoying it (despite our satirical posts).
...mumbled vocal track …. and flimed in such dark light it is difficult to see …
I've found this with a number of programmes - or at least until my children and younger colleagues pointed out that it wasn't a problem for them....
And why does everyone raves about Idris … acting is very monodimensional …
I think he's in character to be fair.
I'm enjoying it. There's been more than a few ridiculous moments, but it's a TV program....
Yesterday's episode definitely had a few 'gasp' moments....!
flimed in such dark light it is difficult to see …flimed in such dark light it is difficult to see …
I had to create a new profile on the tv just to make it watchable, it looks like it was shot in Log/raw and just had a basic grade done for editing and never got sent back to the colourist.
There’s no detail in the lifted blacks (more like greys) either, it really should have been checked on a 3year old mid range LCD tv before being signed off.
That said I’m enjoying it and have started to watch series 1 from the beginning on Netflix as I remember the radiator chaining and a few other episodes but haven’t seen the whole story develop with her.
It’s certainly got more interesting with Ruth back as Alice. What’s with the gangsters home, though?
Does he really live in a big expensive house surrounded by his “gang” all the time? Perhaps he’s got a shed for some “me” time...
Isn't getting Ruth back a bit of a cop out.... the murder story isn't going to be that interesting ... so bring in mad as a box of frogs Ruthie ...
Considering Loofah is such a hard man, he does seem a little soft in the head ...
Considering Loofah is such a hard man, he does seem a little soft in the head
That has always been central to the story from the beginning though - he loves her/is fascinated by her despite knowing it's completely the wrong thing to do.
I like it, the gangster guy is good and Alice being back adds an extra complication.
The surgeon stands out for me, the bit with the patient and dropping in "....and because you're a diseased whore" while explaining the procedure was fun.
The new character, Halliday, I'm not keen. I didn't like her in something else I watched and she has a constant look like she's late for sixth form english.
The new character, Halliday, I’m not keen. I didn’t like her in something else
You mean the actress the plays Halliday...
The surgeon was very unsettling. Eeesh.
I had to create a new profile on the tv just to make it watchable, it looks like it was shot in Log/raw and just had a basic grade done for editing and never got sent back to the colourist.
Maybe you have your speaker cables in back to front?
Agreed - I thought it was superb how they threw that one in - from sub to dom when he was in a different environment
as a side note the location house is on swains lane in Highgate where rollapaloozer have a hillclimb every year
I too notice that having ridden up there myself and assisted with the supporting club 2 years again. I've also noticed Luther using the North Circ south of me where I'd join it.
https://www.themodernhouse.com/past-sales/swains-lane/
i put a link in previous post but couldn’t see it? hopefully its above this
Been enjoying it too although there have been quite a few moments where it feels like a little more attention to detail would help with the realism. I remind myself that this is entertainment / a story and not reality so let the little things ride. However, last nights obvious ones were: He has an awful lot of free time for a consultant, wifey can just breeze into surgery viewing room, wifey didn't even start to bleed properly from the scalpel stab and was "happy" walking about with the police and finally the jump to fingering the surgeon as the bad boy by Halliday all seemed a bit sudden and unfounded.
But, like I said, as a piece of fictional entertainment we are enjoying it.
I think Benny’s still alive. Alice shot Mr Palmer with the gun Loofah gave her before he left.
I do wish violence was portrayed better in films. Benny - I’ve been hit in the face. Just once. Half my head swelled up like a balloon. If Benny had been hit in the face that often that hard, he’d be unrecognisable. And probably dead.
I think Benny’s still alive. Alice shot Mr Palmer with the gun Loofah gave her before he left.
It didn't look like that when the camera cut to the shot of her face being spattered with blood.
wifey didn’t even start to bleed properly from the scalpel stab
Ha, that was my thought! Either she was wearing a stab vest under those scrubs or she's double hard, the blade was about 4 inches long.
Having said all that, Silent Shitness is back next week. After that I expect Luther to be nominated for some kind of investigative journalism documentary award at the BAFTA's.
I'm enjoying it. Was not so sure about the shift in direction over the earlier series but am now liking the longer drawn out caper.
As for the colour... Idris said on BBC breakfast that they film it in winter on purpose to make it more gloomy and dark.
As for the colour… Idris said on BBC breakfast that they film it in winter on purpose to make it more gloomy and dark.
but thats a crappy answer because they shoot in a raw/high bit depth format that has huge amounts of dynamic range and while very flat out of camera they can grade the footage to whatever feel/contrast/saturation/curve/LUT/colour balance they like in post, they are not dealing with a brightly lit dynamic scene that you get in summer so theres loads of information to play with.
in short it’s s stylistic decision that’s been taken too far and looks rubbish on your average TV.
Looks fine on mine (Sony 8 series, 3 years old).
It's got a bit too heavy with the mobster. Prefered the less contrived story lines but still enjoying it.
It didn’t look like that when the camera cut to the shot of her face being spattered with blood.
Hmm. You have a point. Perhaps she’d passed the gun to Barry before Mr Palmer got there, and he did the business.
Perhaps she’d passed the gun to Barry
To me....to you
Barry would need to be quick on the draw with a hitman pointing a gum at his head
Wrigley's?
If Barry is dead, what's happened to Benny? And who's Barry?
No, it's persons as yet unknown. Maybe Paul Chuckle, maybe Withnail who'd been quietly making soup in the kitchen.
Sorry, not soup - coffee. The bowl fooled me.
When Luther finds out, he delivers the immortal line "f*cker's alive!"
in short it’s s stylistic decision that’s been taken too far and looks rubbish on your average TV.
Looks fine on my old telly, maybe its your eyes?
Suspect Benny's still with us too somehow. The show's not shy about showing a bit of violence but all we see of that is the blood splattering Alice's face.
Well I guess we'll find out in about 3.5 hours!
Sorry, yeah... Billy. I mean Bobby.
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