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About 15 - 20 mins ago - we'd just left the grandstand and switched the radio on to hear that the race was stopped. i thought it might be Guy straight away; he's had such a frustrating week with a time penalty earlier affecting his finish result.
Guy is a pretty keen mtber, having done the e2e last year and No Fuss's Ben Nevis enduro too.
Out thoughts are with him; apparently he remained concious and was airlifted the few miles back course to Nobles
Awwwww SMEG.
I hope he's OK. Any other details yet?
From the TT website
[i]The Senior TT was red flagged after two laps following an incident involving the number 8 Honda machine of Guy Martin in the Ballagarey area.
Martin had been leading at the end of lap two heading into the pits.
An official announcement said Martin had been conscious throughout the incident and was being taken to hospital by helicopter with chest injuries.
His motorcycle was reported to be on fire, and the race had to be red-flagged so a fire engine could attend.
A decision on the race will be re-run will be made at 2pm.
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Sad times, hope he's ok.
Two dead so far this year.
I know its only once a year, but Two deaths 'so far' is too many for the pursuit of speed. hope he's ok!
Hope he's ok, seems like a top bloke and after the frustrations earlier in the week he had a point to prove I think.
Poor sod, looked like he might've been en route to the win too.
Checked the speeds at Sulby on [url= http://ttlive.iomtt.com/index.htm ]TT Live[/url], Keith Amor 192.8mph on lap 1... & they'll be a bit higher coming down the mountain.
He's been airlifted to hospital; he has chest injuries but is conscious. Phew.
Does he wear the new Dainese Airbag leathers?
Jerome - MemberTwo dead so far this year.
Actually, it's three if you include the member of the public last Friday 🙁
I was watching the coverage last night thinking he is looking more and more like a 'number 1 one or in the hedge' as the week goes on.
Gutted. He's a genuine character, and I hope he's ok.
Did anybody see the Michael Dunlop interview last night? He'd come second in Supersport and looked absolutely, totally gutted, like he'd come last, only worse. I thought he was going to burst into tears at one point. That's commitment, but they all have it and show it in different ways I think.
Ryan Farquhar did exactly that (in tears) after the Superstocks, lost by 1.3s to Hutchy, completely devastated. Not ashamed though, shows how much it means to some.
Not ashamed though, shows how much it means to some.
Indeed. That's why they race, and why 40,000+ people brave the Irish sea every year to go and watch.
Apparently Kate, (Guy's GF) has seen him at the hospital and he's ok. He's having a CT and xray to investigate the chest pain. He was talking to the medics and repeating himself but she said that's just normal....! Glad he's ok, he was obviously on one, he always reckons "if you're not crashing you're not trying" he was leading at the time too.
Must have been a biggy.
http://www.three.fm/newscentre/isle-of-man-news/eye-witness-speaks-to-3fm-about-martin-crash-1664
highclimber - Member
I know its only once a year, but Two deaths 'so far' is too many for the pursuit of speed.
FFS someone trots out this old pish every year.....do you not think that these guys and girls know the risks they are taking.
Just watching the sidecars on ITV4 now - the passengers must be complete nutters hanging off round those bends! Big respect.
highclimber - Member
I know its only once a year, but Two deaths 'so far' is too many for the pursuit of speed.
It's a hobby whetre they know the risks the same as climbing, or round the world solo yachting or anything else extreme
Paul Dobbs and Martin Loicht die, don't get a thread. Guy Martin hurts his chest a bit...
Paul Dobbs and Martin Loicht die, don't get a thread.
Northwind,
Very sad, crack on then: [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/forum/off-topic ]Start a thread[/url]
Statement up on IOMTT website now:
Maric Thorpe, Accident and Emergency consultant at Noble’s Hospital in the Isle of Man has issued a statement on the condition of Guy Martin, who crashed on lap three of the Senior TT.
The statement said:
“I’m pleased to say that Guy Martin has been talking to us throughout his treatment in A&E at Noble’s Hospital. He has bruising to both lungs and some minor fractures in his upper spine, but is otherwise well.”
“We expect him to be in hospital for a few days.”
“Guy asked me to pass on his thanks to his fans for all their support – and tell them that this has nothing to do with lack of commitment from him!”
Northwind; living here all my life i've heard enough about TT deaths; i lost a good friend in a bike accident Friday of practice week 17 years ago. I'm sorry- i didn't know enough about the other 2 to be able to say anything sensible about them. Guy has been out with mates on rides around TT time; passed me on the e2e wearing his distinctive sweety p*sspot helmet, and has been well enough known as an mtber (see recent mtb mag articles) to warrant me mentioning it.
Guy has been frustrated all week, and i can't be the only one to think he was getting more and more desparate to succeed.
I honestly am lost for words. Sad and no one wants to die on the track but going out doing what you love. Sad though but better than pissing your pants in a council run home.
Sorry, its harsh but at least they were in the fullest of life.
Still sad.
Fair enough Stevio, I can see where you're coming from there. I just sometimes get a little bit narked at the amount of attention Guy Martin's attracted for himself when there are others out there working harder and getting better results without getting noticed by most people. I guess I may be bitter 
If he sells himself well he is more likely to get sponsors
Very true. Consider it retracted, it's likely I'm being an arse.
Hope he gets well soon. [url=
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Guy Martin is a top bloke and wish him well for a full recovery but the TT is too dangerous.
The punishment doesn't fit the crime. One small mistake has far greater consequences than on short circuits. The best riders no longer ride on the Isle of Man because of the risks. Sure the throttle goes both ways but we all (even the best) make mistakes and should we be supporting a race that punishes mistakes so severely?
It's not about supporting a race, more about supporting everyone's right to do what they want with themselves.
I think if you take part in the TT then death is possible.
The fact that if you die for selfish reasons in so doing you devistate your close family seems to be fine.
The fact that if you die for selfish reasons in so doing you devistate your close family seems to be fine
Even Ned Flanders wouldn't say something like that.
Just watching the highlights from yesterday; Capriossi has obviously followed Guys' facial hair fashion
But Ron still wore them best.
Stupid question: if you live somewhere along the route out of town and you want to pop out for a pint of milk...tough? Or is it just a few hours out of the whole day that the route is closed for?
During race week, the mountain section closes at 9.30, the rest of the course around 10. It remains closed until after the last race and any practice runs are done. Can be up to 8 hours I think.
But since its been there since living memory, its life in June.
Thankfully supported by the Island, otherwise we'd have a stupid situation like they've had up at Croft:
http://www.motorbikesport.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=1447
[i]Despite the fact that the circuit has been used for racing since 1949, long before any of the claimants lived there, the Judge upheld the ruling against the track.[/i]
Rockplough - Member
It's not about supporting a race, more about supporting everyone's right to do what they want with themselves
But if spectators didn't visit the Island and boost it's economy the TT would stop.
But since its been there since living memory, its life in June.Thankfully supported by the Island, otherwise we'd have a stupid situation like they've had up at Croft:
http://www.motorbikesport.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=1447
Despite the fact that the circuit has been used for racing since 1949, long before any of the claimants lived there, the Judge upheld the ruling against the track.
I live pretty close to Croft [5 miles] my dad raced there in the 50s & 60s & I raced there in the 70s [we both also raced on the IOM]
The situation is not quite as clear as that linked article claims
The circuit pretty much closed - only doing the occasional rally X event - for almost 20 years before starting up again as a proper race track
Conner Cummings in in a pretty bad way too. He's a great fella and I hope he recovers to come back next year.
Conor Cummins is reported to have leg and arm injuries and hopefuly no internal damage.
The punishment doesn't fit the crime. One small mistake has far greater consequences than on short circuits. The best riders no longer ride on the Isle of Man because of the risks.
That's bollox
Most small mistakes are punished by a slower time [just like on a short circuit] - the racers are making mistakes all the time - the good ones make less
I couldn't even begin to count the number of mistakes the average racer would make on a lap of the island - it's a lot
The best[sic] riders no longer race at the TT because it isn't part of the World championship any more & usually clashes with a MotoGP
Besides, good short circuit riders often don't make good road racers & vice versa - it's a totally different way of riding
Pic of Guy Martin's bike after the crash.
GWS Guy and Conor and RIP to the others.
Jesus, that bike!
FWIW, the fact that people move close to a noise nuisance after it's already been running -> doesn't mean that it's not a noise nuisance (or law or in fact).
FWIW, the fact that people move close to a noise nuisance after it's already been running -> doesn't mean that it's not a noise nuisance (or law or in fact).
No, just makes them fricking idiots.
Shame it doesn't work with Heathrow...
And believe it or not Donnington Park has a noise restriction too, and you can't even hear the MotoGP bikes when a plane is taking off.
Pic of Guy Martin's bike after the crash.
Fenwicks and water then a bit of buffing that'll be good as new 😯
Rear wheel missing too, mmm.
Rear wheel missing too, mmm.
I expect a scouser stole it
konabunny - Member
"FWIW, the fact that people move close to a noise nuisance after it's already been running -> doesn't mean that it's not a noise nuisance (or law or in fact)."
That's correct. It [i]should[/i] mean it's their problem though. But apparently not.
Healing vibes from me 🙂
upuplink - Member
That's bollox
Most small mistakes are punished by a slower time [just like on a short circuit] - the racers are making mistakes all the time - the good ones make less
I couldn't even begin to count the number of mistakes the average racer would make on a lap of the island - it's a lot
The best[sic] riders no longer race at the TT because it isn't part of the World championship any more & usually clashes with a MotoGP
Besides, good short circuit riders often don't make good road racers & vice versa - it's a totally different way of riding
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You can't seriously be saying the TT is no more dangerous than short circuit racing? Lose the back end or run wide on the Island and there is a good chance you will hit something very solid, do the same on a short circuit and there's a good chance you will not hit anything. And it's the stopping very quickly that hurts, not the falling off.
You can't seriously be saying the TT is no more dangerous than short circuit racing?
er no - as quoted - I was replying to your exaggerated claim that [b][i]"One small mistake has far greater consequences than on short circuits"[/i][/b] by pointing out that most small mistakes have exactly the same consequences.
You make it sound like misjudging the grip level or missing a braking point will have you instantly carted off by the ambulance or the undertaker.
Maybe you're just trying to make your statements sensational - I dunno -
but to give the impression that every little mistake could easily be your last is just bunkum, plain & simple
Of course it's more dangerous than a short circuit - no one claims it isn't
I've raced a good few laps of the mountain circuit & must have made many mistakes
There are places where you wouldn't want to make mistakes or push the limits of braking or use every inch of available tarmac etc. so you adjust your riding to suit.
PSA for those of you that appreciate road racing
There's a John McGuinness profile on ITV4 @15:00 today
i ran the ohlins race service at the TT in the late 80's and worked with foggy hislop etc,, as well as a lot of privitears,, and their attitude was yes it's sad when someone dies but that is risk they accept when they race , especialy on the island,,
i found it was the punters who were the bigger problem , it seemed when threw their bike up the road, it seemed someone else would come off worse, when collected by flying bikes ,
but saying that it was a fantastic place to work for two weeks every year,, long days up for early morning practice then spend the rest of the day rebuilding shocks and especialy steering dampers ,, mosy steering dampers just explode with either over heating or excessive pressure
uplink - MemberYou can't seriously be saying the TT is no more dangerous than short circuit racing?
er no - as quoted - I was replying to your exaggerated claim that "One small mistake has far greater consequences than on short circuits" by pointing out that most small mistakes have exactly the same consequences.
Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word small, would medium sized or big mistake have done?
The fact is the consequences of coming off in the Island are far more serious than on a short circuit. Some people think that's a risk they are prepared to take, fair enough I wouldn't try and stop anyone doing what they wanted. I was talking about the balance of risk.
I think that balance is acceptable on short circiuts but I don't think it is anymore at the TT.
Ade,that sounds like a great job.Any good on Fox forks?
I think that balance is acceptable on short circiuts but I don't think it is anymore at the TT.
So it's a good job that people like you don't get their own way then.
The TT exists. It happens. It carries on. Get over it.
Riders race there because of what it is - The fastest, most glorious race in the world. They know the dangers. The spectators know the dangers, but stll they keep coming. What's not 'acceptabe' to one person is a dream, an achievement, a pinnacle to another. As I posted on another thread, the TT is the last baston of all that's insane. The most incredible racing on the most fantasic race circuit in the world. Bar none. I for one am glad it exists. I'm glad it's existance annoys people. That's why I'm going back next year. You either understand. Or you don't 🙂
so a stw ride out to next years tt?
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Anyone found any footage of Guy's crash?? Im gutted Hes my Hero..
PP shock horror, I agree with your sentiment exactly. Gotta be a first time for everything.
PeterPoddy - MemberI think that balance is acceptable on short circiuts but I don't think it is anymore at the TT.
So it's a good job that people like you don't get their own way then.
The TT exists. It happens. It carries on. Get over it.
Riders race there because of what it is - The fastest, most glorious race in the world. They know the dangers. The spectators know the dangers, but stll they keep coming. What's not 'acceptabe' to one person is a dream, an achievement, a pinnacle to another. As I posted on another thread, the TT is the last baston of all that's insane. The most incredible racing on the most fantasic race circuit in the world. Bar none. I for one am glad it exists. I'm glad it's existance annoys people. That's why I'm going back next year. You either understand. Or you don't
Well said. The incidious creep of health and safety naziism depresses the hell out of me. Life is to be lived. Not sat in a chair worrying about what if's.
Lobby..... Is that real? ****ing hell
Long may the TT continue, and hopefully with Guys name on at least one of the cups, Get well soon mate.
The incidious creep of health and safety naziism depresses the hell out of me.
How do you feel about the rising tide of hyperbole that will inevitably lead to our slow, painful death at the hands of goddamn, dirty apes?
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