[Closed] PSA for the three other MMA fans on here....

MVP... Whammo! What a knee...

It has been incredibly entertaining stuff so far.

Yep, much better than some of the UFC stuff I've watched recently.

They were actually showing it in the pub last night, wasn't expecting that! Remember Meathead from TUF - don't like him but he sure can fight, that knee was a corker.

I actually fell asleep and missed my own PSA...guess I was out in the sun too long!

Anyway, MVP was wise to reign in some of his antics during the fight, as well as wanting nothing to do with going to the ground.

Apparently Cyborg has a depressed forehead fracture from taking that knee to the noggin, and has had to have surgery. So healing vibes, and guess MVP might not have thrown a poke-ball at him if he'd known just how hurt he was.....maybe.

Again...ouch! v

Daley got owned. I guess he still has some limitations to his game if his explosive punches get nullified....bit like Hunt v Lesnar (PED Edition).

Bellator gets a lot of shit for some of it's shenanigans, and rightly so. Let's not forget Kimbo was supposed to have been fighting last night, plus Cyborg was brutally knocked out a few months ago, so they really need to start looking after their fighters better/keeping an eye on concussions etc. But it's refreshing to see fighters being able to wear their own stuff, rather than everyone in the same, shit, Reebok outfit. Plus being allowed to do stupid stuff like throw a poke-ball at someone.

Yeah, Daley is one of these guys who has always been talented and crowd pleasing but against top guys he just hasn't quite got what it takes unfortunately.

It's a shame that Cyborg will be out for a while as he's quite similar to Daley in respect to the above and a fight between those two would be a lot of fun.

Cyborg shouldn't fight again this year at the very least.

It's Bellator, so he'll probably be back next month.

While I like the fact Bellator has some decent fighters now, I would like MVP to move to UFC at some point, to see him up against someone like Wonderboy Thompson. Whether that will happen while Bellator are paying him loads to crush cans, last fight excluded, is another matter.

bongohoohaa - Member

Cyborg shouldn't fight again this year at the very least.

I'd be amazed if he ever fights again.

Good thing MMA isn't more popular here or you'll get part time 'fans' like myself wading in and tell you how everyone is juiced to the gills 😉

Plus being allowed to do stupid stuff like throw a poke-ball at someone.

zilog6128

never seen Bellator before... is that sort of behaviour common/accepted?

It's probably the first and last time any fighter has done, or ever will throw a Poke-ball at a defeated opponent. MVP obviously just taking the opportunity to get some Pokemon Go hype.

To your point though, no. It's very very rare for fighters to continue any kind of animosity after the fact.

Good thing MMA isn't more popular here or you'll get part time 'fans' like myself wading in and tell you how everyone is juiced to the gills

Time was they were. But to UFC's credit they got USADA involved, and people are getting popped for pissing hot, and a lot of fighters seem to have oddly gone off the boil/shrunk.

never seen Bellator before... is that sort of behaviour common/accepted? Disgraceful lack of sportsmanship IMO.

I'll be honest. I was conflicted when he did that. On the one hand it was a pretty shitty thing to do....but I did laugh. [url=

out MVP's interview with Ariel Helwani from April[/url], he does mention some of the stuff he does is just building hype. Sadly, given some of the recent/future matchups* in UFC, this seems to be the way forward.

*How the hell does Hendo (ranked #13) get a shot at Bisping for a title shot?

Time was they were. But to UFC's credit they got USADA involved, and people are getting popped for pissing hot, and a lot of fighters seem to have oddly gone off the boil/shrunk.

Aye, that's the point, UFC 200 was a bit of a joke with 2 fights getting popper just before and just after the fight. I know it's bound to happen when you tighten things up and it's great for their credibility that they're doing it. But like cycling people only remember the ones you catch and not the fact that you're trying to catch them.

whatnobeer

Aye, that's the point, UFC 200 was a bit of a joke with 2 fights getting popper just before and just after the fight. I know it's bound to happen when you tighten things up and it's great for their credibility that they're doing it. But like cycling people only remember the ones you catch and not the fact that you're trying to catch them.

Brock is a given. He's like a science experiment. He obviously intended to show up, fight and leave again regardless of USADA. Jones is altogether different. Disastrous for his career, for Cormier, for the event and for the LHW division.

The level of USADA testing seems to be bordering on overkill now tbh.

The level of USADA testing seems to be bordering on overkill now tbh.

I don't think drug testing for professional athletes can ever be overkill.

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Wow, that's grim - got the sense it had done some damage from the way he went down. 🙁

whatnobeer

I don't think drug testing for professional athletes can ever be overkill.

Not without trampling on the lives and careers of innocent athletes and cheats alike it would seem.

Which innocent athletes?

Holy blamoly.

That is quite a big hole in his head.

There are numerous examples. Joe Warren was kicked off the U.S Olympic wrestling team by USADA for THC despite the fact he was within the stated guidelines. USADA lowered the threshold days before testing him.

The fact they have a complete ban on iv's means even if a fighter has dehydrated themselves to cut weight and is throwing up due to nerves they still can't have an iv to rehydrate even under doctor's supervision. BJ is serving a suspension for informing USADA his doctor gave him an IV because he was feeling shitty. Yes, I know plastics in the blood and blood doping, but still.

Then you have the prevelance of ingredients on the banned list in ordinary over the counter medicine, basically what happened to Lyoto Machida.

Then you have Tim Means and Yoel Romero serving suspension for tainted supplements even when USADA themselves have verified that the over the counter supplements contained ingredients they shouldn't have.

It's far from black and white.

Then you have Tim Means and Yoel Romero serving suspension for tainted supplements even when USADA themselves have verified that the over the counter supplements contained ingredients they shouldn't have.

My understanding is USADA offer to test supplements for fighters if needed. So the tainted supp line can't be be a get out of jail free card, and the fighter has to take some responsibility. In the case of Means, his suspension was dropped to 6 months, from the date he was popped, so missed minimal time, and maybe will get his gear checked out first next time.

I do agree it's not a perfect system, but in a world where Nick Diaz got 5 year ban for pot from the Nevada State Athletic Commission, since reduced to 18 months, it's got to be a better system overall.

bongohoohaa

My understanding is USADA offer to test supplements for fighters if needed. So the tainted supp line can't be be a get out of jail free card, and the fighter has to take some responsibility. In the case of Means, his suspension was dropped to 6 months, from the date he was popped, so missed minimal time, and maybe will get his gear checked out first next time.

The way I understood it was that upon request USADA will verify whether a supplement is or isnt on the banned list but that's not the same as physically testing the supplement. They simply cross check the stated ingredients.

What's more, even if USADA did test a supplement and gave it the ok, there's no guarantee that a different batch of the same supplement won't be tainted. The same brand of protein you took last month which was clean, might be made in some factory in china where they also make megamuscle9000XTREEM and next months batch is tainted.

It appears I am misinformed.

If an athlete is adamant about using a supplement, there are avenues to ensure the product is as safe as possible. But contrary to popular belief, USADA does not maintain a pre-screening process for athletes curious about a supplement they want to use. In order to pre-screen a supplement, the athlete must use a third-party supplement-testing agency such as NSF International or LGC Informed Sport.

- http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2615133-ufcs-recent-usada-failures-highlight-dangers-of-supplement-use

I could have sworn I heard USADA did that....probably Joe Shitting Rogan and his ropey facts.

Anyway, this is interesting from that article:

All fighters on the UFC roster are required to go through USADA's education process, and during those classes, the volatile and unknown nature of supplements is directly addressed. USADA's educators continually stress that the industry is unregulated and there is no way to know what is actually in the product you are ingesting.

USADA's official stance on supplements of any kind is that "there is little, if any, evidence to support the need for supplement use."

I could have sworn I heard USADA did that....probably Joe Shitting Rogan and his ropey facts.

Anyway, this is interesting from that article:

They can contact Jeff Novitsky and he'll inform them whether the supplement or any ingredients therin are on the naughty list. And it's a looooong list.

Anyway, gotta go to BJJ.

Strict liability is strict for a reason. If you're cutting so hard you need an IV then maybe you should look at the program you're on. Those are the rules and they're the same for everyone. Hats off to them I say, one of not many sports making a real effort to catch the cheats when many would sweep it under the rug.

whatnobeer

Strict liability is strict for a reason. If you're cutting so hard you need an IV then maybe you should look at the program you're on.

As long as weight cutting is legal then fighters will cut, a 5-10lb advantage is profound when grappling. An injury or illness can easily derail a fighters prep or diet, but they are still expected to make weight and fight.

Those are the rules and they're the same for everyone.

But they're not. See Brock's 4 month exemption and pre-fight positive test. And every other MMA organisation in the world.

Hats off to them I say, one of not many sports making a real effort to catch the cheats when many would sweep it under the rug.

It's a noble gesture, but USADA are using a one size fits all approach to doping in sports. MMA is probably the most dangerous, injurious and physically demanding sport there is. It's not tennis or cycling and imo you can't just apply the same rule set to it and hope it sticks.