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Yes you Men, you who always moan “I’m a Man, when’s our day” when it’s international Women’s day. What are you doing to celebrate?
I'm going to visit a urinal in Fleet Services
I’ll see you there
I’m going to stand at a urinal in Fleet services.
The one right behind maccruiskeen.
I plan on deliberately pissing on his leg.
I’m just a bastard like that. It’s all the testosterone.
WTF is a urinal?
For some it's the sink in aircraft toilets.
I'm going to reflect on the fact that suicide is the biggest cause of death among men under 50 in the UK and think what I can do in the way I behave to try and help men to open up about their feelings and find ways to deal with them that aren't so destructive to both themselves and others.
Anyway, back to the piss jokes.
The shoes of some asshat who’s done you wrong?
Same thing I do every day, Pinky. Plan to take over the world!
I’m doing nothing as it’s International Women’s Day. Considering it’s white man day for the other 364 I think it’s only fair.
Considering your username, I hoped for better.
Just going to wait for the inevitable geetee thread
I'm going to spend time with my two boys explaining to them why it's important to be just, considerate, loving, expressive and resiliant; tyhat they should always look after others and aspsire to be better than they are. I'm going to explain to them that anyone who uses the term 'white male priviledge' or 'toxic masculinity' to them is a bigot and that they should ignore them as such. I'm going to tell them that equality of opportunity is the foundation of a fair and just society but equality of outcome is a political nonsense that cannot lead to anything good.
<edit> and as if by magic....
I think they’d probably prefer an Xbox
An xybox?
I’ll see you there
I’m going to stand at a urinal in Fleet services.
The one right behind maccruiskeen.
Its good to know you guys have got my back
I’m going to reflect on the fact that suicide is the biggest cause of death among men under 50 in the UK
it'll task a bit of digging as its quite an old episode - but the Freakenomics episode on suicide is a real eye open
I am going to try and be more Glasvegas.
When the sparkle evades your soul
I'll be at your side to console
When you're standing on the window ledge
I'll talk you back, back from the edge
When you say that I'm no good and you feel like walking
I need to make sure you know it's just the prescription talking
When your feet decide to walk you on the wayward side
Climbing up upon the stairs and down the downward slide
I will turn, I will turn your tide
Do all that I can to heal you inside
I will be the angel on your shoulder
My name is ........., I'm your social worker
I agree with GeeTee, except that as the system is nit in equilibrium a slight shift towards equality of outcome is desirable.
For example our political system is full of men who studied PPE at Cambridge 40 years ago. If you want equal representation in parliament then you have to accept less qualified women.
Ok PPE is probably a fairly useless qualification for governing in the real world, but you could apply that point to any job. There will always be people who lacked an opportunity in the past who are just as capable in the present.
And making it about men, "we" (as the non property owning classes) didn't get the vote until 1918, and 100 years later the system is still stacked with Etonians and old money. Even if you started at the bottom today encourageing true equality amongst kids, it would be 60 years before parliment and the FTSE100 boards looked like the rest of Britain.
I'll be doing manly man stuff like picking up the kids from ballet, making dinner, doing the laundry, bathing the kids, putting them to bed and reading them stories.
Hear me roar.
I’m going to explain to them that anyone who uses the term ‘white male priviledge’ or ‘toxic masculinity’ to them is a bigot and that they should ignore them as such.
Indoctrination over Critical thinking, can't see how any of that can go wrong.
I’ll put the kettle on, someone buy the biscuits.
This seems like a lot of trouble just to celebrate World Toilet Day.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46259035
You’ve just read the same guardian article as I have.
And making it about men, “we” (as the non property owning classes) didn’t get the vote until 1918
I have never understood why this fact is never mentioned; why do we always talk about female sufferage rather than universal sufferage?
I agree with GeeTee, except that as the system is nit in equilibrium a slight shift towards equality of outcome is desirable.
I also agree with this; the system is not quite in equilibrium but we aren't far off and as long as we don't think equilibrium has to be 50/50 in all aspects of society, we will be just fine.
Indoctrination over Critical thinking, can’t see how any of that can go wrong.
It will be in the same lesson as why judging anyone solely on the basis of their gender, race, sexuality, ethnicity, age etc is the very basis for bigotry and facism.
I’ll ask the missus to put the bins out.
I’m going to spend time with my two boys explaining to them why it’s important to be just, considerate, loving, expressive and resiliant; tyhat they should always look after others and aspsire to be better than they are. I’m going to explain to them that anyone who uses the term ‘white male priviledge’ or ‘toxic masculinity’ to them is a bigot and that they should ignore them as such. I’m going to tell them that equality of opportunity is the foundation of a fair and just society but equality of outcome is a political nonsense that cannot lead to anything good
I was hoping you'd copied and pasted it from Cosmo or Womans Weekly...
But now i'm thinking not.
You must be a blast in the pub.... Were you that dad on Lego Masters last week who was telling his daughter off all the time ?
*scratches balls. sniffs fingers*
You must be a blast in the pub…. Were you that dad on Lego Masters last week who was telling his daughter off all the time ?
My friends like me and two sons think I'm a hero.
How do your kids feel about you?
My friends like me and two sons think I’m a hero.
Did you tell them to think that?
*scratches balls. sniffs fingers*
That’s the sort of dedication and training that earned Stoner a place on the Paralympic Fingering team.
*scratches balls. sniffs fingers*
Ayasss, that knacked. You could at least have cut your nails.
Did you tell them to think that?
You really don't like me do you buddy! ;o)
Just your ideas.... you did say you had told them what to think today already, and to assume anyone who disagrees is a bigot.
But hey off you go, it's a good day to think about what is really happening in the world at the moment, promote health and mental well being.
you did say you had told them what to think today already
Well I only told them why the terms 'white male priviledge' and 'toxic masculinity' were based on bigotry; everything else was a lesson in why it was important to be something other than that. I think you have misconstrued what I said; I would always underline the importance of being able to think critically for yourself and make up your own mind. That is incredibly important.
As for what ideas you don't like, I don't get that, really i cannot fathom why you would have a problem with anything I have said in this thread so far - I'm trying to underline the importance of what it means to be a good person; a good man. Why on earth would you have a problem with that?
i cannot fathom why you would have a problem with anything I have said in this thread so far
It's the underlying stuff from all your previous threads which flows into this one. It's hard not to read it in isolation.
Anyway, said my bit and really nothing more to add than hasn't been said in all the other threads you start.
i cannot fathom why you would have a problem with anything I have said in this thread so far
Trolling imo, waiting to see if you bite, obviously we need more "debates" about womens/mens rights
I'm going to leave the toilet seat up.
I'm really confused and don't know what to do. But as I have bad hair every day I'm more tempted by a Rola Cola:
Oooh - and look at what joy tomorrow brings!
https://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/2018/11/20/
Trolling imo, waiting to see if you bite, obviously we need more “debates” about womens/mens rights
To answer that directly, denying white male privilege exists before considering anything is dangerous. Telling you kids anyone who supports the idea that it exists are bigots is a fairly inflammatory statement. that was what the response was too.
You must be a blast in the pub….
would rather chew the fat with someone who’s opening gambit isn’t along the lines of “so what do you drive then?”
Thanks for that link and inspiration Alex,I am going to crack on with that novel about adopting a native American manatee. The story about how it was saved from a bad gang of vegans and is nursed back to health with pomegranate and peanut butter sandwiches.
It will also be the only manatee to successfully grow a moustache.
would rather chew the fat with someone who’s opening gambit isn’t along the lines of “so what do you ride then?”
Hmmmm yeah 🙂
All this political correctness posturing, the not allowed to think of women in a particular way is just daft to me. Men are men, women are women, simple as that. If that makes me a knuckle dragger then so be it.... My missus likes the fact i'm manly and i like the fact she paints her nails and does make up on herself... I don't see this as a bad thing.
As for the other point of What does my child think of me.... You'd have to ask anyone who's ever seen me and him together, but i'm pretty secure in my relationship with him too 🙂
denying white male privilege exists before considering anything is dangerous.
Yeah, look at that male privilege
White working-class boys are the worst performing ethnic group at school
Someone should send those boys a memo about white male privilege
It was national orgasm day at the weekend.
(not joking)
My friends like me and two sons think I’m a hero.
Everyone's friends like them, by definition, you great gallah. Young boys blindly idolising their fathers is far from unusual either.
All this political correctness posturing
"Political correctness," is essence, is simply Wheaton's Law. No posturing required.
It was national orgasm day at the weekend.
We had a party to celebrate, loads of people came.
I'm going to find some social scientists and teach them some statistics.
Young boys blindly idolising their fathers i far from unusual either.
It is in my house.
My boys think I’m an old prick because I switch their Xboxes off and make them eat broccoli.
Someone should send those boys a memo about white male privilege
Yea - explain to them that privilege will play a role in what happens next
I’m going to find some social scientists and teach them some statistics.
Point them towards the two Beagles thread, see if you can break them.
It was national orgasm day at the weekend.
Should’ve been national 48 hour day day 😉
It was national orgasm day at the weekend.
(not joking)
Come again?
My friends like me and two sons think I’m a hero.
What a strange post!
Is there anything you have done that is actually heroic or is it just standard boys looking up to their dad?
you great gallah.
Cougar - I hope you are going to give yourself a warning for insulting GT. Loud mouthed idiot is pretty insulting.
For example our political system is full of men who studied PPE at Cambridge 40 years ago.
I am struggling to think of anyone.
Yea – explain to them that privilege will play a role in what happens next
For most/many their "next";
The forces
The criminal justice system
Minimum wage/zero hours
The trades
you great gallah.
Today’s the ideal day to be discussing a large, pink cockatoo. 😉
For most/many their “next”;
The forces
The criminal justice system
Minimum wage/zero hours
The trades
You mean not all white males will go on to have successful international careers as scientists/engineers/IT mangers and get to waste time on STW? Still, I suppose someone as to deliver all my Amazon parcels.
I'm confused by this thread.
For years, we've tried to explain to the 'hard of thinking' that Women's Day isn't 'Anti-Men Day'. Now there's a Men's Day and the argument seems to be, we don't need it because, well Men, especially White ones (lord knows how race got pulled into this) are bestowed an easy life from birth, cause we're all part of some club and we look after each other and all that.
We should just shut up, enjoy our privilege and carry on.
Which is a great idea, it's worked well for decades, centuries probably.
Well apart from 4,300 or so Men who committed suicide last year, 3 times as many as Women, which seems at odds with the fact that twice as many Women as Men will seek help with mental health, it's almost as if Men would rather not talk to someone when things aren't going well.
Or self-medicate with Alcohol, which results in them representing 65% of all Alcohol related deaths in the UK, they're also twice as likely to be dependant on Alcohol.
Which leads to other problems like homelessness, 85% of homeless people are male.
But you know, it's all about thick as shit "when's Men's Day" moaners and that.
For years, we’ve tried to explain to the ‘hard of thinking’ that Women’s Day isn’t ‘Anti-Men Day’. Now there’s a Men’s Day and the argument seems to be, we don’t need it because, well Men, especially White ones (lord knows how race got pulled into this) are bestowed an easy life from birth, cause we’re all part of some club and we look after each other and all that.
Or the actual middle ground where we can be grateful for what we have, look after others and raise awareness without running off to the JP lecture notes.
Is there anything you have done that is actually heroic or is it just standard boys looking up to their dad?
Prince Charles visited my work one day and I dropped a fart at my desk whilst he was being briefed. My son emphatically hailed me as a hero and spread news of my valour around the playground the next day.
All joking aside is it "mans day today" ? I didn't get a card?
Who knew?!
Richard Herring.
What a strange post!
Is there anything you have done that is actually heroic or is it just standard boys looking up to their dad?
If you have children, then you will know the answer to that question.
All joking aside is it “mans day today” ? I didn’t get a card?
Neither did I, or even an email of congratulations. 👌🏻☹️
Ok, it was spli- pea soup and a sarnie, I can't lie.
First day of a MHFA facilitators course today, that's me doing my bit to try and help someone who needs it. Too many guys iIve served with are taking their lives post-service. So yay, our own day to think about the pretty somber stats. The rest of the noise, well, it's just that.
Same with white [privilege]. Advantages. It doesn’t mean you’re rich. It doesn’t mean you’re luckier than a lucky black guy. Nobody wants you to be crippled with guilt. Nobody has ever wanted that, or means those things.
It means you have an advantage, and all anyone is asking is that you *get* that. Once you get that, it’s pretty straightforward to all the further implications.
Same with white [privilege]. Advantages. It doesn’t mean you’re rich. It doesn’t mean you’re luckier than a lucky black guy. Nobody wants you to be crippled with guilt. Nobody has ever wanted that, or means those things.
It means you have an advantage, and all anyone is asking is that you *get* that. Once you get that, it’s pretty straightforward to all the further implications.
The world is not composed of tall people and short people - so, please, tell me, how tall is 'tall' and what are the advantages that are conferred at that height?
The world is not composed of tall people and short people – so, please, tell me, how tall is ‘tall’ and what are the advantages that are conferred at that height?
Yeah, cause no not really.... gender and race are the 2 most distinctive things people seem to judge on.
Can you explain how "toxic masculinity" is a bigoted term?
I don't think it means what you think it does.
toxic masculinity
Is that when it hurts to pee
Well I had no idea it was International Men's Day until I opened this thread, which is ironic as it appears to be full of ****s.
gender and race are the 2 most distinctive things people seem to judge on.
Those are the two things that everyone talks about judging on. In reality people are constantly judging on height, symetry of facial features, colour of clothing, you name it. They are not aware of those biases which is worse.
I had a BBQ and a week day (week evening) beer. Did it with my boys and showed the 6-year-old how to use matches for the first time. I thought about how to be a positive male role model to my boys and class.
Yes, white male privilege exists. However, as an educator, I see female privilege in action daily. Financial privilege (I work in an expensive school). Aesthetic privilege.
The notion of toxic masculinity, stale, male and pale etc make me frustrated as does the idea that celebrating or acknowledging or thinking about men's day is for knuckle draggers. Pussification is a real issue. Celebrate your masculinity. Celebrate your femininity. Celebrate your nationality and race and sexuality and dietary 'requirements'. Wheaton's Law will suffice in all situations; Kant's Categorical Imperative if you want to be a little fancier.
For example our political system is full of men who studied PPE at Cambridge 40 years ago.
They studied personal protective equipment?
And what about the men and women who feel neither masculine or feminine? What then? When do they get a look in?
That's the point about toxic masculinity, it's rubbishing the notion that a lack of masculinity in one way or another does not make you less of a man. Like talking about your feelings, wonder how many male suicides we could prevent if we did that more? It's nothing to do with saying traditional masculine traits are bad, only that absolute adherence to them can be.
All joking aside well put squirrelking.
But, squirrelking, absolute adherence to anything is stupid.
There are male traits and female traits. Men are more likely to have more male traits. Women are more likely to have more female traits. There's nothing wrong with celebrating them.
I think we we disagree on the premise. Why toxic masculinity? If I were a beard-wearing, wood-chopping, hunter-gatherer type, why am I toxic? These are masculine traits but there's nothing inherently bad there.
Do you believe in toxic femininity? I'd say that many typically feminine traits are 'toxic'. Would you?