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This might be old news but i only found out by accident today (and I even muttered at myself for doing it as it doesn't work anymore, but it does!!!!). it seems the infuriating decision to remove drag and drop to windows via the task bar in w11 has been reversed.
Yayyyyy!
Well that's made my weekend fo sho.
I still don't know why anyone would use Win11 over Win10. I guess it's improving, but it seemed quite half baked when it was released. I have it on a laptop that I don't use for critical work. I tried upgrading one of my main work machines out of curiosity, but reverted almost straight away. It had no functional benefits, but endless minor frustrations.
I appreciate that this is likely a niche post but thank you for making it. I've been using that functionality for like 25 years and its removal properly irked me.
All I need now is the taskbar back at the top where it belongs and I'll probably upgrade.
It annoys me that you can't do it on Mac.
(I hope I'm wrong and someone corrects me)
I appreciate that this is likely a niche post
There must be at least half a dozen people who care, possibly a whole dozen on the rest of the internet. It's not that niche!
All I need now is the taskbar back
at the topon the LH side where it belongs and I’ll probably upgrade.
FTFY
All I need now is the taskbar back
at the top on the LH sideat the bottom where it belongs and I’ll probably upgrade.
FTFBOY
It annoys me that you can’t do it on Mac.
(I hope I’m wrong and someone corrects me)
Of course you can do it on apple. Only £89.99
It annoys me that you can’t do it on Mac.
I have an old Macbook Pro that I Bootcamp to Windows. When I got it back in 2012, I planned on using both OS's (because the project I was working on needed to be platform agnostic), but it was so annoying that I just went back to doing my work on Windows. I just changed jobs and the previous occupant of my office left behind an iMac. Same thing, I messed around on it for a couple of hours and then called up the IT people to see if I can swap it for a PC. Jesus MacOS is frustrating when you're used to how Windows works. WTF do people think is intuitive about it?
WTF do people [who have used apple for years] think is intuitive about it?
Not a clue.
Seriously how have you been moving files and adding attachments since '95?
It's also a great technique for face planting.
My Mac must be broken then - I’ve been dragging and dropping for as long as I can remember!
Sure your on about Windows11 and not Windows 3.1! 🤣
My Mac must be broken then – I’ve been dragging and dropping for as long as I can remember!
Me too.
As for MacOS not being intuitive if you're coming from Windows, granted there are differences but I don't think there's anything particularly difficult to pick up. I've used (and supported) Windows since v3.11 so I'm pretty familiar with it. I've used Mac at home for the past 15 years or so and I prefer it. Maybe switching from one to the other on a daily basis keeps them both fresh.
Seriously how have you been moving files
right click --> cut or copy --> paste into relevant folder (or drag across if both folders are open). How would dragging a file to the toolbar do it ? (just tried in W10 and dragging a file over just pins it to the taskbar, the program I drop it onto or else puts it into "quick access" in the file browser. None of those things moves it)
and adding attachments
attachments to emails ? Don't think taskbar's a goer in gmail is it ? (just tried dragging a file to thunderbird on the taskbar anbd it offered to pin it to the programme)
I can't replicate in W10 what that vid is showing
🤷♂️
(I like tabbed file browser though)
OSX isn’t supposed to be intuitive, it’s efficient. Of course, you need to be slightly smarter to figure it out, which is why some struggle unfortunately. But never mind, that’s what Windows is for! 😃WTF do people [who have used apple for years] think is intuitive about it?
mv [Option] source destinationSeriously how have you been moving files
mv [Option] source destination
Wouldn't xcopy be betterer? 😉
mv [Option] source destination
Hang on, you've got a GUI but prefer to use command line?
Hang on, you’ve got a GUI but prefer to use command line?
Always in Linux / Unix - far quicker.
when you find out you can drag from the GUI [i]onto[/i] the command line it’ll blow your mind 😂Hang on, you’ve got a GUI but prefer to use command line?
I can’t replicate in W10 what that vid is showing
Drag to icon on taskbar, pause a second, Windows pulls that app to the foreground, drop in app. It's worked like that since Windows 95.
Yes, there are many other ways of moving stuff about too, but it's a really handy shortcut.
OSX isn’t supposed to be intuitive, it’s efficient. Of course, you need to be slightly smarter to figure it out
Weird, that's the opposite of what art students have been telling us since the days of System 7.
OSX isn’t supposed to be intuitive, it’s efficient. Of course, you need to be slightly smarter to figure it out
My experience is completely the opposite. OSX is beautiful to look at, but if you want to get office work done efficiently, Windows is the way to go.
granted there are differences but I don’t think there’s anything particularly difficult to pick up.
How do I pin a directory so that I can open it directly from the equivalent of Explorer straight from the Quick Launch bar?
How do I access the equivalent of Explorer so that I can set up my work in a logical hierarchy of directories?
What I want so that I can get my work done is to be able to click on the equivalent of File Explorer and access the directories where I've saved my files. To someone used to Windows, it's really not obvious how to do that on a Mac.
@thols2 Through the Finder and using the sidebar for frequently accessed folders.
The language analogy is that you are expecting English sentence construction to work in German, the user needs to learn the new grammar and apply that.
Through the Finder and using the sidebar for frequently accessed folders.
I don't want to have to search for folders, I want to set up a systematic hierarchy of folders organized by project. One of the things that Mac fanbois constantly harp on about is that MacOS is really intuitive, unlike Windows. I find exactly the opposite.
Edit: and Win11 removed some features from Win10 that help a lot. For example, being able to drag and drop to the taskbar or being able to reposition the Start menu and taskbar to the sides or top of the screen.
I can’t replicate in W10 what that vid is showing
Drag to icon on taskbar , pause a second, Windows pulls that app to the foreground, drop in app. It’s worked like that since Windows 95.
aaaah ! (AS LONG AS THE PROGRAM IS ALREADY RUNNING)
Not even sure that registers as a feature for me
Like I said learn the new language and apply it. Search happens once and I'm certain that Windows requires you to set the same system up on first go it won't automagically be there. Just to be absolutely clear by first I mean a brand new machine without prior set up on a server.
Yes it's not the same and there's no need to fear the unknown.
How do I pin a directory so that I can open it directly from the equivalent of Explorer straight from the Quick Launch bar?
Create an Alias (same as Windows shortcut) and pin it to the dock or stick it on the desktop.
I don’t want to have to search for folders
You don't have to search, Finder is pretty much the equivalent of Explorer (well vice versa actually).
when you find out you can drag from the GUI onto the command line it’ll blow your mind
I do know and it doesn't.
Like I said learn the new language and apply it.
If it was intuitive like Mac fanbois say, there'd be no need to learn a new language. I'm not say I couldn't learn to use a Mac, I'm saying that it's not worth my time when I can get my work done much more easily using a PC.
the irony being that you’ve spent [i]way[/i] more time over many threads bleating on about how different/difficult it is than it would actually have taken to become competent in its use 😂 (but of course you don’t actually [i]want[/i] that, as then you could no longer moan about it).I’m saying that it’s not worth my time
It's something of a myth that any computer system is intuitive to use, despite what either Apple or Microsoft would have us believe. If you could accidentally kill someone with one* then we'd require lessons just like driving. A better word might be 'familiar'?
(* - you could kill someone with a computer but it'd be difficult to do so accidentally short of dropping it on their head.)
the irony being that you’ve spent way more time over many threads bleating on about how different/difficult it is than it would actually have taken to become competent in its use
Nope, I spend way more time playing with MacOS than I have spent on here talking about it. Same thing will happen to anyone used to MacOS and then switches to Windows. Nothing is where you expect it to be and you spend half your day searching for how to do the basic things.
So it's more to do with familiarity rather than any significant problem with either OS?
@slowoldman Correct. I can find my way in Windows but it's slower than if I'm working on a Mac. I use both as 365 at work needs occasional use of Power Shell to configure things. I always ask for no interruptions and time to get my head in gear and gird my loins.
@Cougar with application and the right keyboard, you could use it to off someone. I'm more a fan of the BOFH approach with insecure third floor windows or empty lift shafts. 🙂
So it’s more to do with familiarity rather than any significant problem with either OS?
Exactly. The nonsense about MacOS being intuitive is just that Mac fanbois are familiar with it. Windows is totally intuitive too if you've been using it for 25 years.
It’s only you tho who’s claiming OSX is supposed to be especially intuitive?
Didn’t think I was a genius but apparently I am - managed to chop n change between OSX/Windows/Linux daily with no fuss 😎
I don’t want to have to search for folders, I want to set up a systematic hierarchy of folders organized by project.
Are you saying you don't think you can make a folder in a folder in MacOS? Or that you don't have the equivalent of Explorer to navigate them? I can't see what you mean here at all.
It’s only you tho who’s claiming OSX is supposed to be especially intuitive?
Only me and the Apple marketing department.
https://www.apple.com/eg/mac/why-mac/
Always intuitive. Never intimidating.
Mac makes it easy to find what you need, stay organized, and take on any task. Its clear, simple design just makes sense — especially if you have an iPhone. So things like managing multiple windows and keeping track of your files are a breeze. And with quick access to all the controls you need, exactly when you need them, navigating your Mac is easier than ever.
My Mac must be broken then – I’ve been dragging and dropping for as long as I can remember!
You can drag and drop generally, but we're talking about dragging a document to a program on the taskbar. I just tried it with a word document, and MacOS popped up the three word documents I already had open inviting me to drop to one. I did, and nothing happened.
I use both Windows and MacOS, and they both work but they both have their irritating foibles. Spotlight is useless when looking for a document. I tried to use it a few times recently and got utter garbage results. And where the hell has the bluetooth icon thingy gone? The worst thing about MacOS however is the way it puts the menu bar at the top left all the time. It's like a throwback to when you had a single application open and the windows were all on the screen and the menu bar at the top. However these days, I have loads of windows open, some of which (Office) have most of their functions within the same window as my actual work but not all, some are all the way on the other side of this 32" monitor. Yeah that's really ergonomic... And then when you open an app (Preview, for example) by name without opening a document, nothing happens at all except some tiny words at the far top left of the screen change. FFS.
Like I say, both have their foibles. The thing that irritates me currently in Windows is the way they've done half a job changing all the UI on the system dialogs and windows. Some of it is great and modern, but every so often something pops up that looks like it's from Windows XP (networking settings...)
However I do think Windows looks way nicer. MacOS looks very dated now all those fuzzy curved edges and shadows and stuff. And those ****ing minimise/maximise effects can get in the sea too - ugh!
Are you saying you don’t think you can make a folder in a folder in MacOS? Or that you don’t have the equivalent of Explorer to navigate them?
New Folder isn't on the context menu, usually, it's miles away in the top left. Finder is rubbish compared to Windows Explorer too.
New Folder isn’t on the context menu, usually, it’s miles away in the top left.
Or right click.
Or right click.
Which is the context menu, so no idea what he's on about.