[Closed] Prosecuted for helping Syrian refuges

Yeah - so much for "hygge" 🙁

Ancient fiction book not a good guide to modern immigration laws shocker

Ancient fiction book not a good guide to modern immigration laws shocker

Really? The one thing you take from that is a opportunity to have a dig at Christianity (I'm not religious by the way).

Pretty much word for word what I was about to say.

It's an absolute outrage what happened to her and her husband.

I thought I was going to read about how a well-meaning couple naively helped some illegal immigrants cross a border...

...but they didn't. They gave them a lift from one place in Denmark to another.

Strewth. That's harsh.

Really? The one thing you take from that is a opportunity to have a dig at Christianity (I'm not religious by the way).

I think that using not only the Bible but also the Koran, Talmud, Book of Mormon etc as your guide to modern laws of your country will also lead to problems. No discrimination here.

Why not go to their own neighbouring countries in the middle east?

Rather similar culture is it not? Plenty of space as well.

Really? The one thing you take from that is a opportunity to have a dig at Christianity (I'm not religious by the way).

New here are you? If there's one thing it's complete open season on at any time of year it's sky-fairies and their accompanying story books. That's not insulting to the person, just the religion, which is okay and doesn't make anyone look like an ignorant twunt.

If you can also post a daily mail link so I can get that side of the story as well please before making my mind up whether to be outraged as people assisting potential terrorists.

Why not go to their own neighbouring countries in the middle east?

They do.

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And this is what awaits them.

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How about a little compassion?

oldtalent - Member

If you can also post a daily mail link so I can get that side of the story as well please before making my mind up whether to be outraged as people assisting potential terrorists.

Now check this out about integration.

Published on Mar 26, 2016

Tv program 60 Min addressing Swendens now catastrophic Immigrant crisis .... SDR wishes to show you a ONLY a small part of the film 60 minutes report. What the film team experiences is horrible but mild compared to what normal so called white Swedes will have to face in many places in Sweden. And now also in Finland City Center the railway Station... Believe it or not but there are at the time officially 53 no go areas in Sweden, which is about to reach the braking point! The Swedish leaders in most cases refuse to see this and Finland is sadly following the same path with a national security and police that uses the so called politically correct as a measure. As a result the statistics are all wrong and so are the so called measures by creating more and more work groups to handle that was the old groups failed to mention and address and that is the fact that we are living alongside a religious war that only the attacker admit is a war.

[b]A few words to the political correct idiots who face to see that Islam is not a race ! Sop pease face it ...It cant be racism as Islam is not a race![/b]

SDR has many Arab and Iranian co workers who are not Muslims and very loving indeed and god forbid would we hate any Arab or ****stani etc just because of his race or homeland etc..That would be racism. We do however wish to inform people of the danger of Neo Nazism and Islam as two groups wishing the destruction of Jews and Israel and ever since the Saudi money has been spreading radical Islam from Mogadishu to ****stan its more and more alls become a agenda against the west! How many attack does take for the west to wake up ? See for your self what happens to the film team here visiting Sweden ...if you don't believe it go to the so called no go zones your self without any Islamic dress and take pictures just like you would somewhere else as a tourist and you will see reality from a hospital perspective.

We must warn you that just like you will see here the police cant enter the areas as the use the absolutely ridiculous excuse ever claiming its a provocation! Fact is they don't dare to walk around there for any longer period ! The film does not mention a very known fact that ambulance has been stopped from helping a victim just because the police and ambulance have no authority but the local Muslims do! Sweden better start admitting the facts or other meed will show it as it is and then any politically so called correct will be exposed for what it is namely a few words to hide the truth behind. We certainly have nothing against Muslims praying and believing their religion. But the second it affects our lives and safety their responsibility is questioned. Same would be for Christians Buddhists or Jews or Hindus.... Equal rights is all we ask for But Muslims oppress women rights according to common European thinking their Honour killings as well and so does their Sharia law. No of these matters belong into a civilised society.

hebdencyclist - Member

Why not go to their own neighbouring countries in the middle east?

They do.

Take more. Not enough.

Ancient fiction book not a good guide to modern immigration laws shocker

The Bible tells us to respect the laws of the country in which we live
There is no section on immigration legislation 😉

"The judgment challenged universal human values, the simple drive to help people in distress. Most of us, regardless of religion, are brought up with a set of values that underlines the importance of doing just this"

Apparently not, going by some of the replies here.

You'd like to think that chewkw would come back and say something like
"thank you for taking the time to post that, I had no idea" or
"thank you for enlightening me" or
"wow - I've been so mislead by the press".

AlexSimon - Member
You'd like to think that chewkw would come back and say something like "thank you for taking the time to post that, I had no idea" or
"thank you for enlightening me" or
"wow - I've been so mislead by the press".

I am sorry but the is a piece by Guardian that I disagree with.
We all know how bias Guardian news is don't we?

Rather similar culture is it not?

It's not.

And even if the neighbouring country did share your religion, culture, values, etc. It's likely either:
a) at war with you, out of the frying pan into the fire.
b) at war against you and liable to arrest/shoot/disappear you.

The judgment challenged universal human values, the simple drive to help people in distress

You can help someone in distress by donating to a charity, by volunteering for a charity including working abroad. You can help people in distress by campaigning for a change in Government policy.

thisisnotaspoon - Member

Rather similar culture is it not?

It's not.

And even if the neighbouring country did share your religion, culture, values, etc. It's likely either:
a) at war with you, out of the frying pan into the fire.
b) at war against you and liable to arrest/shoot/disappear you.

They do understand each other and culture is also very similar based on their religion.

I work with Libyan, Syrian, Arabs, ****stani, Afghan, Egyptians also some from Omar and Qatar as well ... apart from those from the Asia most understand each other rather well and speak rather similar language. I asked them and that's what they told me. Rather similar with slight regional variation.

The Turks, Afghans and ****stani may or may not understand each other well but if they have lived in the middle east they can.

They just have to go to their neighbours with rather similar religious outlook which can roughly be traced back to the old Ottoman empire and the Arab ones.

The judgment challenged universal human values, the simple drive to help people in distress

Your universal human values. Your interpretation. Yours!

Do you get it? It is your values that you are imposing on others.

Ours are very different from yours in the Far East. We help others in distress but we Do Not go out to intervene in their affairs. If they come to us for help we help but otherwise we let the nature takes it's course.

Chewkw displaying his complete lack of understanding of the Middle East situation whilst using it to justify a fairly unpleasant viewpoint.

[quote=mrhoppy ]Chewkw displaying his complete lack of understanding of the Middle East situation whilst using it to justify a fairly unpleasant viewpoint. Sums him up perfectly.

Chewkw being the non-stop roaster that he always is.

Funny how he spent years posting one word or one line answers to everything. Now it's War & Peace on every thread.

I'm 100% convinced he's either an alias or some spam-bot that's became self aware over the years and just posts non stop bollocks all day every day

mrhoppy - Member
Chewkw displaying his complete lack of understanding of the Middle East situation whilst using it to justify a fairly unpleasant viewpoint.

If you understand them that well why are they in a mess now?

BoardinBob - Member
Funny how he spent years posting one word or one line answers to everything. Now it's War & Peace on every thread.

Yes, but you lot are trying to intervene in others' affairs to make things worst.

You escalate the problem to the entire world by drawing in many factions and by fueling the fire.

Let them be and let nature takes it course.

Let them deal with their own affairs as they see fit and as they know.

You Do Not need to instill Democracy in that region Nor them to defend the Western Democracy. They are middle east ... Not the West.

You can help people in distress by campaigning for a change in Government policy

When has that ever worked?

I work with Libyan, Syrian, Arabs, ****stani, Afghan, Egyptians also some from Omar and Qatar as well

Which part of Newcastle is this? Which part of anywhere is this? And what possessed you to interrogate all those people on language use?

Jeez you post some... even for a troll.

Let them be and let nature takes it course.

Look if you want to say "let them all die", just say "let them all die".

Chewkw,

Suni Vs Shia? Minority Christian populations? Oppressed regional groups like the Kurds? Are you seriously suggesting that the Kurds should just wander south each time things kick off in Northern Iraq?

Or the Palestinians? Welcome anytime in Israel I've heard.

And as fir all those in rebel* held North Syria, why on earth would they not feel safe in Turkey?

*The PKK

[quote=chewkw ] BoardinBob - Member
Funny how he spent years posting one word or one line answers to everything. Now it's War & Peace on every thread.
Yes, but you lot are trying to intervene in others' affairs to make things worst.
You escalate the problem to the entire world by drawing in many factions and by fueling the fire.
Let them be and let nature takes it course.
Let them deal with their own affairs as they see fit and as they know.
You Do Not need to instill Democracy in that region Nor them to defend the Western Democracy. They are middle east ... Not the West.

I meant War & Peace because of the sheer volume of crap you post on every thread. Nothing to do with actual conflict or peace...

[quote=Edukator ]I work with Libyan, Syrian, Arabs, ****stani, Afghan, Egyptians also some from Omar and Qatar as well
Which part of Newcastle is this? Which part of anywhere is this? And what possessed you to interrogate all those people on language use?
Jeez you post some... even for a troll.

100% troll.

You called him on his amazing grasp of punctuation, colloquialisms etc.

Biggest wind up merchant on here

You can help someone in distress by donating to a charity, by volunteering for a charity including working abroad. You can help people in distress by campaigning for a change in Government policy.

Good plan. If I ever see you on fire, I'll send in a donation to my local fire department instead of ... ummm ... extinguishing the flames. Conscience salved.

You seem to get a perverse pleasure in derailling threads.

Anyhow, why don't they stay locally? Over 4m have, unfortunately the war they are fleeing is driven by a multitude of complicating factors partly civil war, partly religious sub divisions, partly proxy regional disputes. This means that your nearest country may very well not be a place you feel safe (Kurds going to Turkey for instance) and to get to other surrounding countries which may be 'safer' you'd new to cross the war zone.

Add on to that the desire to reunite with your family that you may have been separated from and its hardly surprising that a small number may want to move on. This was facilitated by countries within Europe agreeing to accept refugees.

And saying they have similarities religiously is to completely ignore that much of the current problem is based on religious differences between religious sub sections.

The Bible tells us to respect the laws of the country in which we live

Does it? That's handy to know, whereabouts?

100% ****.

hebdencyclist - Member

Let them be and let nature takes it course.

Look if you want to say "let them all die", just say "let them all die".

I say let them live as they see fit, let them live as their ways.

Good enough?

Edukator - Reformed Troll
which part of Newcastle is this? Which part of anywhere is this? And what possessed you to interrogate all those people on language use?

I work with them in the past employments.

I can "interrogate" anyone that allowed me as I wish and as I see fit coz they are my friends.

I can ask them their languages their live styles and their cultures as I wish and as they allow me to. They all welcome me with open arms. I even asked them how they dated women there. They even showed me their new wives ... I met them too.

Just like I allow you to ask me questions as you wish.

[b]Now my turn to ask you questions since I recall you saying you taught something ... [/b]

What do you teach exactly?

Which part of the world have you taught?

Who are the people you taught?

Are you still teaching now?

thisisnotaspoon - Member

Chewkw,

Suni Vs Shia? Minority Christian populations? Oppressed regional groups like the Kurds? Are you seriously suggesting that the Kurds should just wander south each time things kick off in Northern Iraq?

Or the Palestinians? Welcome anytime in Israel I've heard.

And as fir all those in rebel* held North Syria, why on earth would they not feel safe in Turkey?

*The PKK

They have lived the way they know for a long time but why all of a sudden the whole region turn into a big mess?

Of course they fight each other from time to time but by comparison to the current climate that is Not even comparable.

Why is Western Democracy imposed in that region?

Why do Western Democracy fuel the fire in that region to disstablise them?

Why can't Western Democracy accept their systems?

Do you have even a working knowlage of middle eastern history or geopolitics?

Western intervention has played a part (the creation of Israel and Iraq is a good starter for 10 on that). But the issues go back a lot further than that.

thisisnotaspoon - Member

Do you have even a working knowlage of middle eastern history or geopolitics?

Western intervention has played a part (the creation of Israel and Iraq is a good starter for 10 on that). But the issues go back a lot further than that.

Do you?

We all know Western intervention in all over the world common sense that ... trouble makers they are too.

Put it this way ... why all of sudden we have all this mess in the middle east in the past 10 - 20 years?

They* were knocking seven shades of shit out of each other long before the gulf war. Most of the bible is made up of references to conflicts and definitely pre dates western intervention, christianity and Islam!

But, that misses the point that 99% don't want wars, which is why they end up refugees. The people who got into her car were no more at fault for the situation they found themselves in than Lisbeth Zornig.

*in the geopolitical/historical sense

why all of sudden we have all this mess in the middle east in the past 10 - 20 years?

WW1, and before.

When has that ever worked?

June 23, 2016

As above it's far too simplistic to try and hold the West responsible for the current mess in the Middle East. There has been violent massacre in the region for 1000's of years. I'm just reading a book which speaks of massacre of refugees fleeing Jerusalem by cutting open their stomaches as they where known to swallow gold coins as a defence against being robbed. This was circa 1000 BC.

I think part of the problem Is the difference between individuals and groups. Of course it is desirable to treat refugees with the kindness and compassion the family in the article showed them. At the same time the number of people who would come and seek this treatment would be overwhelming. Hence the state's action - a deterrent.

Don't refugees have to go home when it's safe to?

Its a long term solution but staying the **** out of everyone elses business would be my first step.

Including stopping selling arms.
Not including humanitarian aid.

anti-Muslim sentiment is very strong in Denmark today, and people vote accordingly. Kindness towards Muslims scares away voters, so there is no room for kindness in government

This is the biggest shame, and not just talking about Denmark obvs.

Im glad they were convicted. They are smuggling illegal immigrants into the country. Why would they not expect to be prosecuted. Anyone not claiming refugee status in the first safe country they enter is acting illegally and changing their status from refugee to illegal immigrant.

Im glad they were convicted. They are smuggling illegal immigrants into the country. Why would they not expect to be prosecuted. Anyone not claiming refugee status in the first safe country they enter is acting illegally and changing their status from refugee to illegal immigrant.

Funny how he spent years posting one word or one line answers to everything. Now it's War & Peace on every thread.

chrismac - Member

Im glad they were convicted. They are smuggling illegal immigrants into the country. Why would they not expect to be prosecuted. Anyone not claiming refugee status in the first safe country they enter is acting illegally and changing their status from refugee to illegal immigrant.

Literally none of this is true. I doubt you care, but I thought it worth mentioning

chrismac - Member

Anyone not claiming refugee status in the first safe country they enter is acting illegally and changing their status from refugee to illegal immigrant.

Are you a lawyer ?

I did ask a genuine question, don't refugees have to go home when it's safe to?

I did ask a genuine question, don't refugees have to go home when it's safe to?

Sometimes. But refugees are people with lives - they become part of communities, have kids, form close relationships with others. Their status as refugees isn't fixed - neither their mindset.

chrismac - Member
Im glad they were convicted. They are smuggling illegal immigrants into the country. Why would they not expect to be prosecuted. Anyone not claiming refugee status in the first safe country they enter is acting illegally and changing their status from refugee to illegal immigrant.

As big a ****er as Chewkw

What does 'sometimes' mean? They either have to or they don't? I get they become part of the community, but these people will be needed to rebuild their old communities surely?

Really hungry monkey??? Honestly?, what if he was inadvertently helping terrorists into the country and they went on to kill? What then?
Don't be so stupid, rules are there for a reason.

mitsumonkey - Member

Don't be so stupid, rules are there for a reason.

I can't see anything in the UK government website saying that anyone not claiming refugee status in the first safe country they enter is acting illegally and changing their status from refugee to illegal immigrant.

What rules are you talking about ?

https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum/eligibility

I'm not taking about that Ernie, they were people smuggling illegally. That's a dangerous business.

you've not read it, have you mitsumonkey.

what if he was inadvertently helping terrorists into the country and they went on to kill? What then?

a) it's a 'she'
b) the refugees were already in the country, and 'he' didn't take them out of it, nor bring them in.

maybe you should read the article?

mitsumonkey - Member

Really hungry monkey??? Honestly?, what if he was inadvertently helping terrorists into the country and they went on to kill? What then?
Don't be so stupid, rules are there for a reason.

hungry monkey - Member

chrismac - Member
Im glad they were convicted. They are smuggling illegal immigrants into the country. Why would they not expect to be prosecuted. Anyone not claiming refugee status in the first safe country they enter is acting illegally and changing their status from refugee to illegal immigrant.

As big a **** as Chewkw

Eh?

Jesus Christ.

All getting a bit emotional.

captainsasquatch - Member

All getting a bit emotional.

Yes, it looks like it is going that way so I shall leave this thread to others.

maybe you should read the article?

Don't be so daft, they'd then have to realise they didn't even cross the border out of the country, just took them to the train station.

****ing hell some of you are ****s.

****ing children.

****ing children!?

The only way to deter refugees fleeing war is to be worse than what they are running from. Some of you sound like you would like that.
They are people, no more likely to be a terrorist than anyone else.
Why would ISIS go to the trouble of sending terrorists all the way from Syria when they've recruited plenty of Europeans already living here?

Seriously, have a ****ing word with yourselves.

Also, Lebanon has recently closed its borders, with the estimated number of refugees way over 2 million, so probably not room there, never mind their involvement in the Syrian conflict.

my apologies for using a banned term, having one of those days..

however, i find some of the views expressed in this thread abhorrent, and i stand by my convictions that views like those should be held up to the spotlight and challenged.

I also believe that if you are going to post reactionary guff about a given topic, you should at least have read what you're commenting on.

I also believe that if you are going to post reactionary guff about a given topic, you should at least have read what you're commenting on

sorry guys

Post reported! 😉

Apologies for being a ****t. Sorry guys

Is this a first on STW?

Watch for the "I'm more comfortable saying Ya" descend into a more comfortable and natural "Yes" as he becomes more agitated.
Attention seeking troll.

Its almost like hes making an effort to learn the language and fit in, whilst posting reactionary guff about no go areas and migrants not fitting in.

Now I've read the article I'm even more ashamed of myself for that rubbish I posted. I don't think I would of done anything different to them in the circumstances. Oh this world, what a mess.

mitsumonkey - Member
Now I've read the article I'm even more ashamed of myself for that rubbish I posted. I don't think I would of done anything different to them in the circumstances. Oh this world, what a mess.

You are you.

You are who you are.

You [b]Did Not[/b] cause the world to suffer.

how many refugees has the oil rich same religion/culture/expansive area, saudi arabia taken in ?

According to the 1951 Geneva convention a refugee is someone who has had a claim accepted by the government. It also states the asylum seekers should claim asylum in the first safe country they enter.

how many refugees has the oil rich same religion/culture/expansive area, saudi arabia taken in ?

Depending on who you believe, anything between 0 and 2.5 million. I'd hazard a guess at somewhere between 500,000 and 1 million, but it's very difficult to be sure, given the way that the UN counts refugees and Saudi Arabia's not being party to a lot of UN conventions.

how many refugees has the oil rich same religion/culture/expansive area, saudi arabia taken in ?

how many refugees has the oil rich same religion/culture/expansive area, saudi arabia taken in ?

Romans 13.1-7, Cougar.

Is that a typo and Cougar beat Romans by 4 goals, or did he only score 1.7 goals?

I did ask a genuine question, don't refugees have to go home when it's safe to?

It depends on the host country, sometimes they grant temporary residence/asylum and sometimes that translates into a permanent right to stay/become a citizen. I would wager the vast majority of those coming to Europe hope to stay permanently, you can't blame them as Europe is richer than Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Morocco, Tunisia, ****stan, Bangladesh etc are ever going to be in their or their children's lifetimes.

I would wager the vast majority of those coming to Europe hope to stay permanently, you can't blame them as Europe is richer than Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Morocco, Tunisia, ****stan, Bangladesh etc are ever going to be in their or their children's lifetimes.