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I have just prepared a resume of the project I am working on showing who has worked on it and what they have done.
There are 17 people who are currently or have previously worked on this 12 month project.
7 are Project Managers, 2 other are simply Managers
And the rest are consultants 🙂
2 solution architects
2 product specialists (consultants)
4 coders (doing the actual work)
Do you think that's a poor ratio considering the nature of the work and any staffing problems?
A lot of work can generate ratios similar to that, as can something as common as staff churn.
In a project, there can only be one project manager. Study PRINCE2 if you don't believe me.
I liked Purple Rain, but I can't recollect any project manager related lyrics.
are we confusing job title with actual work?
4 of the project managers were PRINCE 2 project managers. Most the time there was only one or two at a time but we had 4 on site simultaneously one week as both of the existing PMs were breifing their replacements. Great meetings that week.
Depends on the size of the project, number of suppliers and stage it's at. I have worked on many projects in the past with multiple pms. For instance, a business pm, an IS pm, a pm representing outsourced development and a pm representing outsourced infrastructure
At the moment my project has the current full time team -
1 pm
2 biz reps
1 analyst
2 testers
1 asm
5 developers
1 designer
1 infrastructure rep
1 architect
many 'hanger's on'
Does that help!?
Just been quoted for a £40k managed server installation.
28 days labour @ £850 / day
6 of those days are for "project management"
Who are they trying to kid ?
Funny how people can get paid so much for not really doing anything.
We've got about 50-60 people here, and I think there are about 5 coders. What do the others do? I can honestly only account for maybe 1/3 of them.
It's all nominal, though, isn't it?
I liked Purple Rain, but I can't recollect any project manager related lyrics.
[i]Raspberry Beret[/i] has some excellent discussion of the McGee Method of Labour Productivity Analysis.
In a project, there can only be one project manager. Study PRINCE2 if you don't believe me.
I agree. In my project at the moment there is
1 Project manager
3 Senior analysts
4 Analysts
We also have a programme manager that Micro Mananages a number of projects.
Funny how people can get paid so much for not really doing anything.
Did I missed something??? When did UK stopped having politicians?
McGee Method of Labour Productivity Analysis
Genius 🙂
sofatester - MemberFunny how people can get paid so much for not really doing anything.
Must have been a good PM! (I assume you are referring to a PM).
Try being a part of a project whaere there is no PM. I have been on one or two of those, where telepathy is the assumed form of communication and everthing is expected to organize itself! The cock-ups came thick and fast and these projects were farcical at times. One overan by 40% in time and budget. In terms of budget, it was beyond viability and the client was not pleased! Someone was too tight to employ a PM, they assumed everyone would try and work things out together, but without them knowing what was expected of them.
A proper PM is a vital asset when a project exceeds a certain value.
Sure, proper PM's don't have to roll ther sleeves up, but I can assure you their job is far from easy!
Depends on the size of the project, number of suppliers and stage it's at. I have worked on many projects in the past with multiple pms. For instance, a business pm, an IS pm, a pm representing outsourced development and a pm representing outsourced infrastructure
I think you'll find, under project management methodology jargon, these guys are actually categorized as suppliers.
Of course, if you watch numpty TV shows like The Apprentice, it's evident that "super hot shot" Mr Sugar doesn't even know what a project manager is!
During the 4 year development phase:
1 Project Manager
1 Lead Engineer / Architect / V&V Manager
4 Developers
5 other part-time Developers and Testers
1 part-time Product Assurance + Safety Officer
Spongebob - they maybe referred to as "suppliers" in the jargon but I can assure you the person you speak to who is organising the suppliers work is normally a project manager.
Now what do you call a group of project managers?
My favourite is 'an arguement of project managers'