[Closed] Processed Meat

Are we allowed pictures of kebabs on this thread?

[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/i-am-the-greatest-thing-of-all-time-says-bacon-2013030761993 ]Bacon is the daddy.[/url]

Just saw that on the news. Is it that bacon is bad or that people who have regular bacon butties have a generally unhealthy diet and lifestyle

I saw this on the news site earlier. Another case of journalists twisting research findings to create a story.

People who eat a lot of processed meat such as ham, bacon, sausages and burgers run a greater risk of premature death and developing conditions such as cancer and heart disease

From the same article

Dr Carrie Ruxton, said... The fact those who consumed the largest amounts of processed meat also displayed other unhealthy habits meant it was hard to confidently ascribe risk of death to meat eating alone.

So it's actually saying people who eat a lot of processed meat have other unhealthy habits. Some or all of these may lead to them dying earlier.

Given what our old age is likely going to look like ... work until your 70+, subsistence level pension while you become a liability to your offspring and the country in general.... who really wants to live to be really really old anyway? Seriously? Especially if it means no bacon butties, fags, booze and drugs?

Why is it the longevity seems to be an end in itself? Its ridiculous! Fine for today's golden generation with their final salary pension schemes, universal healthcare, winter jaunts to Tenerife, nice meals out, weekends in the Lakes and rounds of golf. Its going to be a completely different animal when/if we arrive there

Burger anyone?

I'd like the food nazi's to spend more effort telling us what we ARE allowed to eat rather than tutting and frowning at us for eating all the 'bad' things.

I suspect if we compiled a list of all the foods that are (allegedly) life-expectancy-reducing, it would cover 80% of all our diets.

These people must be absolute bores to eat out with too.

to be fair to the BBC journalists on the radio this morning they were very careful to say that eating processed meat sill increased risks once HAVING NORMALISED for correlated poor health habits

Forgive my ignorance (I am not a big red meat eater) but how is bacon any more processed than your average steak, smoked salmon, chicken fillet etc etc?

I thought bacon was just cured slices of pork loin (or pork belly in the US). Are they saying the curing process is bad for you?

When I think of processed meat I think of chicken nuggets, slices of processed ham, turkey roll etc etc.

Calm down it's all ok...just have some Tomato Ketchup with yout bacon and sausage mc muffin as it counts for 1 a day and is packed with Lycopene and antioxidants.. Honest.

@Mikey74
Bacon is full of sulphites and many other "added ingredients" next time you are in the supermarket look at the difference on the use by date for bacon v's sirloin steak for example.

[i]Are they saying the curing process is bad for you?[/i]

basically yes.

mince is ok but anythign that involves preservatives is bad.

Good point mikey.

Plus which the "experts" are always banging on about the Mediterranean diet being good. Last time I was in Barcelona, various cured meats played a pretty big part in the diet.

I would say that the shit weather and constant bombardment of negativity from the "media" is far more detrimental to health and wellbeing than the occasional bacon and black pudding butty. So please forgive me if, after my run tonight, I head off in the morning to the little butty shop in Pentre for a Friday treat.

I suspect if we compiled a list of all the foods that are (allegedly) life-expectancy-reducing, it would cover 80% of all our diets.

I suspect that you would be right, and perhaps that is why there is such a problem with obesity and related diseases.

I eat bacon and I also pick my nose and eat it - that’s a bad habit.

Perhaps the nose food will give me cancer.

See now, I'm confused.....

If fish is uber good for you, but bacon isn't.

What do we do with bacon fish ?.

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[i]that’s a bad habit.[/i]

Oh yeah.

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Your definitely going to die. Bogies are made out of enriched uranium. Everyone knows that

[i]Your definitely going to die. Bogies are made out of enriched uranium. Everyone knows that[/i]

Almost. They're brain poo, and even I have standards.

I'd like the food nazi's to spend more effort telling us what we ARE allowed to eat rather than tutting and frowning at us for eating all the 'bad' things

The report I heard on the radio didn't have any "food nazis" tutting or frowning; only statistics which indicate that eating a lot of processed meat will reduce your life expectancy. It's up to individuals whether they choose to adjust their eating habits as a result. Personally, I think it is a positive thing to have access to more information so I can make an informed decision about what I eat.

Forgive my ignorance (I am not a big red meat eater) but how is bacon any more processed than your average steak, smoked salmon, chicken fillet etc etc?

I thought bacon was just cured slices of pork loin (or pork belly in the US). Are they saying the curing process is bad for you?

When I think of processed meat I think of chicken nuggets, slices of processed ham, turkey roll etc etc.

The R4 report was pretty clear that it is processed meat that is the problem; i.e. where some sort of treatment process has been applied (e.g. smoked and cured meat, salami, chorizo, bacon, etc). Raw steak that has just been put through a mincer is not processed. There was an interesting question about whether processed fish (e.g smoked fish) might carry similar risks, but they don't appear to have done the analysis on that so far.

I thought that what killed you from picking your nose was when your head caved in.

I was sat eating while listening to Radio 4 this morning, I still finished the the black pudding, bacon and sausage, it really put me off my fried egg, almost. Thank the lord for ketchup.

Ketchup? You wierdo. Its HP sauce with brekkie, surely?

What is it about processing that's harmful? For example, I sometimes make a "pseudo chorizo" by adding paprika, garlic, red wine and a little salt to minced pork.

@Mikey74
Bacon is full of sulphites and many other "added ingredients" next time you are in the supermarket look at the difference on the use by date for bacon v's sirloin steak for example.

Coyote - The cured pork in Spain (done the traditional way, aka Med' diet) is free range, the pigs run around forest eating chestnuts, and the fat is mono/poly so a "good" fat. If you get the cheap stuff from the supermarket its just as processed as bacon and the pigs are pumped full of growth hormones and antibiotics.

[i]I sometimes make a "pseudo chorizo" by adding paprika, garlic, red wine and a little salt to minced pork[/i]

Sounds painful. Doesn't it sting afterwards ?.

What is it about processing that's harmful?

exacerbate

Coyote - The cured pork in Spain (done the traditional way, aka Med' diet) is free range, the pigs run around cork forest eating chestnuts, and the fat is mono/poly so a "good" fat.

Not sure what you mean by that? Are you asking if processed food is for sale outside the UK?

i buy it from the butcher. no preservatives as far as i know and it's sliced to order. assuming everyone buys shit food from supermarkets is a more of the lazy journalism the bbc seems to be getting better at.

The woman the BBC interviewed on breakfast TV this morning did half mention that it was different when you buy form the butchers. But then she went on to talk about how at the butchers bacon is "sliced off the pig" which conjured up an image of a pig standing patiently on the butchers block while a man in an apron took a knife out and carefully carved bits off it a slice at a time...

[i]I once did that. My mum nearly caught me. Fortunately I distracted her because I was also picking my nose.[/i]

Thats as may be, but which do you prefer ?.

Does it include pie ?.

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binners. Ketchup with a full fried brecky, the colour sets of the sausage, black pudding and bacon better. Now if it had been a humble bacon buttie (or sausage) it has to be brown. I have gone of HP a bit since they moved production the Holland.
And what's wrong with being a weirdo? We can't all be boringly normal.

Its the nitrates in bacon that are the big problem. Also found in most packaged meats. When heated in the frying pan, they become carcinogenic and linked strongly to pancreatic cancer.

I can't live without bacon but fortunately 'no added nitrate' bacon is available here that makes me feel better about eating the greatest food in the world.

Processed meat is likely cheaper meat with bi products as fillers, increased preservatives (like nitrates) and from antibiotic fed animals..horse is probably OK 😉

[i]I can't live without bacon[/i]

I saw what you did there !.

Priceless.
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sh!t in, sh!t out.. what does your Meat eat?

Many high stree and farm shop butchers us a bought in curing mixture, checking what they use is worth it before purchase.

You can also bet that not all high street butchers buy from the local farm. Many will use a wholesaler to get their meat from. As mentioned above with curing mixtures, those who make their own sausages might also buy in a ready made mixtures possibly containing various preservatives. I'm glad I'm in the cheese making business and not in the meat business. Only a few ingredients to worry about!

If you're going to that much trouble to source the provenience of everything that passes your lips, you may not live longer, but it'd certainly bloody feel like you had

Sausages, ham, bacon and other processed meats appear to increase the risk of dying young, a study of half a million people across Europe suggests.

It concluded diets high in processed meats were linked to cardiovascular disease, cancer and early deaths.

The researchers, writing in the journal BMC Medicine, said salt and chemicals used to preserve the meat may damage health.

[b]However, anecdotal evidence suggests that not eating bacon and sausages significantly diminishes your quality of life, to a level below that which most people would find acceptable.[/b]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21682779

It's the nitrates introduced in the curing process that is the problem. Read up on it in the Health Delusion or other such material. Buying it from your local butcher will make no difference to this.

It might do. Smugness is more conducive to a longer life, surely?

It's the nitrates introduced in the curing process that is the problem.

According to [i]Fast Food Nation[/i], the incubation period for vCJD may be 10-20 years. So we're probably all walking dead anyway. 🙁

The only preservatives I use in my curing mixtures are salt and smoke. Both of which are no doubt reducing my life expectancy.

All these wierd curing mixtures people use.

Is there any evidence that pigs are getting better as a result?

If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?

Bacon from the high quality butcher is still preserved/processed meat. It's the curing process that apparently causes the problem. This has been known about for years and every so often a report is released that says as such.

People love bacon and will not care, or bury their heads in the sand by saying they only get high quality processed meat from the butcher, so they're fine.

And give it a few more years and another report will be released saying the same and the cycle will continue.

Smoking massively increases your chances of cancer and there are lots of people happy to do that. And Bacon/ham is nice. You have to make up your own choice how much this worries you.

Can't remember the last time I ate bacon - but sausages, my word, I love sausages!

It might do. Smugness is more conducive to a longer life, surely?

Bacon from the high quality butcher is still preserved/processed meat. It's the curing process that apparently causes the problem. This has been known about for years and every so often a report is released that says as such.

But what is it about curing that causes a problem? Salt consumption?

On R5 this morning some expert reckoned sausages were better for you than bacon. The presenter did sound surprised at this, as was I. Don't eat a lot of bacon and sausages very rarely.

Binners was not quite correct ^^ there when ranting on the retired; we go to the Lakes mid-week (it's quieter and it's rounds of Cannock Chase:-)

Ive had two bacon buttys this week.. 😯

Solo

See now, I'm confused.....

If fish is uber good for you.....

Ah yeah, but no more than 4 portions a week, because of possible mercury poisoning!

Not to mention bad breath.

Some people get confused between "living longer" and "being alive with a horribly diseased body".

I'm not bothered about living a "long life" but while I am alive I would rather be without cancer or other "diseases".

I sometimes eat processed meat but not very often.
Some people will eat it every day.
Perhaps information like this is aimed at them.
It's just "information"

The daily wail did its usual trick if a scary front page headline "one in 30 deaths caused bacon" or similar . In the final para the scientist says that the odd bacon sandwich won't kill you.

It's simply correlation between bacon eaters and cancer. It DoES NOT MEAN THAT BACON CAUSES CANCER.

"one in 30 deaths caused bacon"

I think this figure is higher for pigs

Surely if you cure something it gets better?

So is it better to eat cereal and fruit juice for breakfast, and get diabetes instead?

Down with the ham haters!

did the BBC really report last night that people who eat processed meat are "40% more likely to die"? Its worrying enough that I'm already 100% likely to die.

[i]it just feels that way[/i]

Well... yeah, it would. What a drag, life without bacon and sausages.
Would it be worth carrying on ?.
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[i]Ive had two bacon buttys this week..[/i]

Does your life insurance cover death by bacon butty ?.

[i]Surely if you cure something it gets better[/i]

Not in the case of death. Which is just as well as I don't want to have to chase my bacon around the kitchen.

[i]So is it better to eat cereal and fruit juice for breakfast, and get diabetes instead?

Down with the ham haters[/i]
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Does riding a lot of road miles counter act the effects of ham.?

[i]Does riding a lot of road miles counter act the effects of ham.?[/i]

Is the answer [b]7[/b] ?

What about hot cross buns, thats what I've just had. Any danger from them I wonder.

processed food is the dogs bollocks IMO..

think about it.. you go to a very good restaurant and the stock is going to be made from trimmings, bones, fat, necks, feet etc.. but you'll be paying through the nose..

I can get all that good expensive stuff for 99p from iceland in a bag of turkey crapsticks..

get over yourselves innit!

If you eat meat, don't be fussy about whether it was hacked off the flank by your local butcher, I prefer mine pressure washed off the bones of dead battery hens..

If you really want to do something constructive with your life to garner a sense of superiority, eat the rich.. 😀

(disclaimer.. I suffer with IBD so processed stuff is a bit easier on my digestive system)