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What were you expecting them to do other than serve the political agenda ?
anagallis_arvensis - Member
...A bit of a debate about a tax rise for a very small sector of the Scottish economy and suddenly people are communists...grow up!
Now we know what a communist is.
A pleb who refuses to support subsidies for the rich.
No wonder the self-entitled bourgeois are so upset...
Good to hear grum! Look forward to some winter photos
Dragon the odd thing about the cherry picking here is the fact that is damages educational inequality rather than improves it. Still I bet WoS has lots of faux positives on the story.
So now all schools have to pay business rates? That seems fair. The other option would be to stop charging any schools business rates- makes more sense to me.
oh actually what about charging JUST private schools business rates?!
Sorry, can't be bothered to check all 10 pages and not sure if it's been done - how about looking at it from the opposite perspective. Assuming all schools already pay business rates, would any of the usual suspects like to argue for the removal of business rates from private schools? Presumably doing so would help to ease the burden on state schools as middle class parents flock to send their kids private...
oh actually what about charging JUST private schools business rates?!
COMMUNIST!!
damages educational inequality rather than improves it
How?
You dont need me for this he will keep you up-to-date on what he is doing currently though it will very much depend on the thread title/subject what he claims.
anagallis_arvensis - MemberBecause the private schools will either; a stop all their charitable work,
I explained up the page why they can't do that. I wasn't sure if your post was sarcastic or not but anyone who claims it'll happen either doesn't know what they're talking about or does and is lying.
Oh I was just writing what others have said. I havent done my research so have no idea if its likely to be true or not. I reckon its bollocks though
We could settle the business rates issue and not end up trying to squeeze lots of ex-private and public school children into existing state schools. What if the state took those private and public schools over and then made them open to all regardless of income or who their dad/mum is. We could call this bold move ‘nationalisation’. I think it could catch on...
No sympathy for businesses pretending to be charitable to escape taxation - not one iota. Especially in this time of rationalising government spending, subsidy of education outside a funded state system is just wasted money?
BTW the amount of money this adjustment brings in will just about equal the cost of the Baby Box scheme, so that's a nice balance.
Good - why private schools can be considered a charity is beyond me.
£49m
More evidence that Scotland gets it right....
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15701129.Scotland_boasts_lowest_levels_of_poverty_in_the_UK/
codybrennan - MemberMore evidence that Scotland gets it right....
We're not- if we were getting it right, poverty would be falling. All we're doing, is not getting it wrong, while the rest of the UK does. It's not that impressive
Yep. England deserves better. Much better.
Junkyard - lazarus
Smells of communism and jealousy in here.
You might get equal opportunity but none of us are created equal.We know but if we all pay enough taxes, and we all work hard, then we can educate you up to our level
I wouldn’t want to go down the ladder.
How about privatising education and put people into trade who don’t want to be in school?
Just looked at this, not bothered with 8 pages or so of probable vitriol but I will say this:
Private need not mean posh.
My old school (Matt will probably be aware enough of it) was about £250odd per term and catered to armed forces personnel. This relief cut means that either parents or the MOD (as they are the ones who fund it) now need to find £342 a year extra per pupil, assuming 270 pupils split amongst the £92,496 increase in rates.
You may scoff but that's a ranking serviceman having to find money on top of that used to get them there and back in the first place from wherever in the world they may be posted. Or the MOD spending more money.
Special needs schools and such will probably be hit by this as well.
Good going. Who'd have thunk a blunt approach would have its own pitfalls?
I wonder how many years of business rates the numerous road extensions and such would have paid for? As usual the SG is all show and no go, look at the shitehole they built in Glasgow and called a hospital, brand new and falling to bits. M74 on time and under budget, subsiding a week later.
Anything to look good and win a vote.
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Special needs schools and such will probably be hit by this as well.
Or probably not as there's to be an exemption for them.
For a more balanced outlook, here's something for your other shoulder.
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Northwind - Member
codybrennan - Member
More evidence that Scotland gets it right....We're not- if we were getting it right, poverty would be falling. All we're doing, is not getting it wrong, while the rest of the UK does. It's not that impressive
Hmm- actually, NW, you're right about this. Nicely put.
scotroutes - Member
Yep. England deserves better. Much better.
They do. The disappointing thing in all of this for me is how we've collectively given up on making sure all kids get a decent education. I would venture to suggest that the situation in Scotland is better than it is UK wide.
I would venture to suggest that the situation in Scotland is better than it is UK wide.
You might be disappointed.
[url= https://www.economist.com/news/britain/21705866-scotlands-schools-were-once-among-best-world-what-went-wrong-not-so-bonny ]Economist[/url]
[url= http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/scottish-education-generation-failed.html?m=1 ]Chokkablog[/url]
This relief cut means that either parents or the MOD (as they are the ones who fund it) now need to find £342 a year extra per pupil, assuming 270 pupils split amongst the £92,496 increase in rates.
Wow big bucks!
This does rather assume that all the extra tax is paid for by taking from from the bursary budget.
squirrelking - Member
Just looked at this, not bothered with 8 pages or so of probable vitriol but I will say thi....
Good points.
If only Scotland had full control of its economy and taxes, we might be able to do something about that, eg pay the lads more to compensate, not have to do funny budgetting exercises to get round the roadblocks deliberately placed in the way, etc.
Roll on independence.
Of course, you’d have rather less to go round
Scotroutes, do you have an actual point you would like to rebutt or did you just feel a funny picture would do? How exactly do I have a chip on my shoulder unless that extends to having a personal interest in something that is at odds with your own opinion?
Epicyclo, it would certanly make them more accountable when there isnt a bogeyman to blame for everything. If they dont have the funds to do things properly perhaps we should be asking why bother in the first place, especially where the likes of hospitals are concerned!
Dont get me wrong, I have no problem with businesses paying their way but using such a scattergun approach just screams of something drawn on the back of a fag packet at a policy meeting which is designed to sound good but not do much else.
Anagallis - yeah I suppose that does sound like pocket change from the comfort of stw middle class smugness. Depends on how much it eats into their budget though doesnt it? All things being relative.
squirrelking - MemberScotroutes, do you have an actual point you would like to rebutt
He did, and funnily enough he did.
Anagallis - yeah I suppose that does sound like pocket change from the comfort of stw middle class smugness. Depends on how much it eats into their budget though doesnt it? All things being relative.
I reckon my school has had to make more savings than that in the last two years.
I’m disgusted by these cuts.
I know one school where the parents demanded an explanation why their kids had a P.E. teacher instead of a science teacher.
I know one school where the parents demanded an explanation why their kids had a P.E. teacher instead of a science teacher.
Standard
My point was only that outliers exist and this policy punishes them. God forbid you disagree with the stw hive mind lest you have a chip on your shoulder. Try thinking for yourselves for a change.
Thinking for yourself. - you have to be bothered for that!!
As for independent research... 😉
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[quote=squirrelking ]My point was only that outliers exist and this policy punishes them.
I thought for myself, and my currently unaddressed point is just above yours. If these "outliers" you're referring to already paid business rates like state schools, along with all other private schools, what would you suggest the correct course of action to be?
I'm assuming it's a rather awkward point for those in favour of private schools retaining their special rates status, given it doesn't seem to have been addressed.
Simple, state schools shouldn't pay. Just seems like pointless bureaucracy and a massive waste of money to budget for money that you then pay back to yourself.
Pretty sure it's easy enough to define not for profit and set rates accordingly. Regardless of the institution I don't believe primary or secondary education should be taxed as a business.
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I'm more 420 myself but whatever floats your boat.
https://www.onthisday.com/date/714
Dec 16 Pepin/Pippin II, of Herstal/Héristal, Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia and Duke and Prince of the Franks, dies
It's like a cryptic crossword in here some days, has THM had a firmware update? maybe power off power on needed
Can anyone explain what the point is of Private Schools if they are not businesses. All they would seem to do is promote equality.
Can anyone explain what the point is of Private Schools if they are not businesses.
It's a tax dodge to avoid the hefty tax on soap that would cripple most posh folks who would need to wash their hands if they met the great unwashed on a regular basis.
As said way up there those who would cut any subsidy going insist this needs one....
Just giving AA a few clues for his homework.
Think of it like a Xmas quiz.
Think of it like a Xmas quiz.
Seriously back to the sad teacher routine? It's as if you enjoy [s]trolling[/s] [s]being annoying[/s] whatever it is... Got something to say just say it, put some facts up and tell us why private schools should be subsidised at the expense of say policing or disabled people?
Just giving AA a few clues for his homework
Oh I thought you were just talking bollocks like normal.
You carry on if it makes you happy.
Every figure is directly relevant to my first post. The basic factual stepping stones to understanding why this policy is BS but still so typical of those who are introducing it.
Little steps to encourage independent thought for those who value reading around the subject rather than being spoon fed facts to regurgitate later. Such a crap way to learn that.
It's a tax dodge to avoid the hefty tax on soap that would cripple most posh folks who would need to wash their hands if they met the great unwashed on a regular basis.
As said way up there those who would cut any subsidy going insist this needs one....
That would be funny if it wasn't so far from the truth.
Yours,
Not a posh ****.
Every figure is directly relevant to my first post.
Are you talking to yourself old fella?
I lost interest in your first post about 3 days ago and even then its wasnt very interesting.
Edited to add actually that does it more credit than it deserves I expect because I have no idea what it said.
Who are you responding to?
Have you got the answer yet?
I suspect AA has known "the answer" for a long time THM. I can't say the same for you
Have you got the answer yet?
Dont even know what the question is.
Why dont you try taking a deep breath, wipe away some spittle and start slowly from the beginning?
Ah, this is so, so satisfying....
That would be funny if it wasn't so far from the truth.Yours,
Not a posh ****.
So we can conclude they are run as businesses then? Therefore subject to regular taxation.
Spot on, we shall let HMRC know.
as for
Have you got the answer yet?
The list grows by the day, most are simply ignored these days...
and tell us why private schools should be subsidised at the expense of say policing or disabled people?
Little steps to encourage independent thought for those who value reading around the subject rather than being spoon fed facts to regurgitate later. Such a crap way to learn that.
You don't seem to have learned that everyone can see through you.
codybrennan - Member
Ah, this is so, so satisfying....
It's a wee reward of living in Scotland. 🙂
[quote=teamhurtmore ]Have you got the answer yet?
42. Now what was the question?
You're going to have to help me here Mike, how did you get
So we can conclude they are run as businesses then? Therefore subject to regular taxation.
Spot on, we shall let HMRC know.
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That would be funny if it wasn't so far from the truth.
in reply to
It's a tax dodge to avoid the hefty tax on soap that would cripple most posh folks who would need to wash their hands if they met the great unwashed on a regular basis.
As said way up there those who would cut any subsidy going insist this needs one....
I was addressing your ignorant assertion that folk who attend these schools are doing so because they somehow think they are better than other folk. Also, I'd say my personal politics are somewhat at odds with your second point.
You're talking utter pish, just regurgitated prejudiced nonsense. If you think I'm being unreasonable ask yourself how being perceived as a posh **** all your life would feel when you know it's as far from the truth. People just hear 'boarding school' and suddenly you're labelled as "one of them".
It was a sarcastic/satirical comment, did you really take is seriously when I was talking about tax on soap?
The real point is if a private school is a business or not. That is the simple definition that is needed. They take money in exchange for a service so for me this makes them a business which should pay the appropriate amount of tax required.
Sorry I didn't realise you were ripping it...
And no, I didn't guess by your comment, sad reflection on the forum really.
I would still counter that with not for profit status but that notwithstanding yeah, totally agree.
Sorry again.
Not a problem, I must add more smileys in there.
Judging by the amount of frothing at business rate relief I would imagine a few heads on here would explode if we were to talk about the Music and Dance Scheme awards where the government picks up a significant proportion of the cost for kids to study dance or music full time at boarding school! Even for parents who have more than 2 farthings to rub together. And provides a grant for uniforms!!
[i]"So, this is now set to change in Scotland. The mandatory business rates relief is going to be removed from them. It's fair to say that the private schools sector in Scotland is not best pleased with this.
I, on the other hand, am very pleased about this."[/i]
Thanks for this info, I was unaware of some of it. Great news.