You don't need to be an 'investor' to invest in Singletrack: 6 days left: 95% of target - Find out more
That’ll p**s off the Daily Mail anyway
Not as much as netflix if the reports of how much they handed over is accurate.
I think people who read watch tabloids and people who read books are two demographics, there may be some crossover but there are two distinct markets there.
Lol
Well, Spare had set a new record for the fastest selling non fiction book in the UK.
Well it did probably have the best marketing and awareness of release of any non fiction book. What other book has had so much help from TV, news media, social media etc,.?
Fiction wise, probably 'Troubled Blood' by Robert Galbraith (JK Rowling)?
Everyone got up in arms about one of the characters dressing up as a woman to assist with a murder.
Turns out that this was a working theory of the lead character. And wrong.
Didn't stop the hysteria getting the book mentioned everywhere.
Harry has also come from a dysfunctional family of emotional cripples. Really damaging as well. His treatment since marrying will also have contributed. what role models did he have? A father incapable of showing affection and a mother who used emotional manipulation to get what she wanted. Has he ever known a normal human?
This is a badly psychologically damaged individual who is thrashing around in reaction
The problem is, they are all the product/victims of the same environment, he is no more a victim or less a perpetrator than the whole family, he has opened his eyes to the problem in a self entitled way without accepting they all had the same upbringing and have the same problems. His reaction to it is turbocharging the impact not breaking away and protecting his new family.
His reaction to it is turbocharging the impact not breaking away and protecting his new family.
Is that not the hollywood way? All family drama can be capitalised on and monetised; the Kardashians have a lot to answer for. 😂
Fiction wise, probably ‘Troubled Blood’ by Robert Galbraith (JK Rowling)?
The fact I have never heard of that book suggests the general public publicity was not even close...
I know it is cheap rumouring but can anyone seriously look at that picture of him and not think that James Hewitt is his dad?
relapsed_mandalorian
Full Member
OK, so i can tell thee it’s very easy to have that view when you’re raining death down from 1km away, but when you have to go and walk/drive over the remains of what you’ve done/ had done at you, the picture and memories are no longer of the”they’d/them’d” especially when the people on the reciving end are not always combatants -that shit haunts you no matter what training.Plenty of AH pilots have struggled with PTSD as a result of their actions in Afghanistan. Watching in HD as you ragdoll enemy fighters into the air after a hellfire strike or 30mm volley isn’t something you probably forget anytime soon.
Not one capbadge or role has a monopoly on what war is or how it affects them, and if you’ve served then you should have a degree of understanding for the way that those experiences vary from bod to bod.
@relapsed_mandalorian i mostly agree with your last point, and yes i have served. I just take annoyance that he seems to think he's managed to "them" the combatants. At the point in time there i'd agree an element of truth in that statement, but he should not be chucking it around so belligerently as it does undermine what others have gone through.
he seems to think he’s managed to “them” the combatants
He's stated what he thought was his coping strategy at the time. That doesn't preclude him being hit hard later. And I don't think he claims to have avoided that happening. He has definitely spoken before about how it can and does hit people, especially in regards to people has has got to know through the Invictus Games. The reporting is very much as if he has made a glib comment about what he did while in service... it's just another example of quoting out of context and cherry picking for clicks and manufacturing outrage as regard him (and his wife).
But on a more general point. We ask people to do the unthinkable when in service. And we also expect them to have strategies to help them function while doing that. But we don't want them to talk about either, despite now have the knowledge gained over the last hundred years to know what that silence can do to people.
I'm still confused or undecided on what I think of Harry. Attention seeking whingy idiot, intentional destabilising monarchy wrecker, damaged and confused, or victim in need of help. I guess I was more toward they first two but an moving much more toward the third. Still with a good chunk of the first too.
I'm not normally interested in monarchy stuff or celeb stuff but the BBC review is the book and a similar guardian one made me think there are probably bits about the book that could be quite entertaining.
I’m still confused or undecided on what I think of Harry
Mad, sad, and valuable consumer product*.
* able to supply a selection of advisors and hangers-on with a long-standing income by keeping the Saxe Coburg Gotha soap opera running and running in the media.
I know it is cheap rumouring but can anyone seriously look at that picture of him and not think that James Hewitt is his dad?
Given what cheap rumouring about his parents and he and his wife appears to have done to him, you'd think decent people would have figured out that it isn't the right thing to do to him - or anyone else?
There is footage of the kitchen square go.
I passed through Glasgow airport earlier. A big pile of Harry’s book, 50% off. What’s that, three days after it was released?
That's not exactly unusual.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Sellers-Books/zgbs/books
Top three books on Amazon, all half price hardbacks. It’s not because they’re not selling.
Spare £14 £28
Bored of Lunch: The Healthy Slow Cooker Book £9 £18.99
Pinch of Nom: Enjoy £10 £20
Similar story for WHSmiths…
https://www.whsmith.co.uk/charts/?c_productFormat=Hardback
[ makes note to pick up the Beano and Private Eye annuals ]
What’s that, three days after it was released?
For some odd reason thats how hardback book predicted bestsellers sales work. Priced high and then immediately discounted by the big chains.
It was half price on release.
Probably due to the question "who the **** would spend £28 on a book like this"
It’s what happens with nearly every popular hardback release, not “a book like this”.
Probably due to the question “who the **** would spend £28 on a book like this”
I'm really not digging this reboot of Through The Keyhole.
I'm still perturbed by the dislike/contempt for Harry.
Take away all the sensationalist headlines in the papers and you have a guy from a messed up family that has managed to break away from them and is telling the world about why he did so.
The monetisation obviously annoys some but what else had he got to trade? His book/ interviews aren't promoting any negative social divisions, the exact opposite in fact. He's not in the papers for rape, human trafficking, a bitcoin scam or whatever. I'm just not seeing why he is a figure of such hatred other than he's further exposed what a messed up institution the monarchy is. The ultimate generational grifters on my view.
It's not really practical for him to work in a Wal-Mart so he's trading on what he has. His life as a (mostly) ex Royal.
I am not offended frankly.
It’s what happens with nearly every popular hardback release, not “a book like this”.
That is my point. A "book like this" means popular hardback. A lot of people would be put off buying the hardback for full price hence it may not be as popular from a sales point of view whereas for other types of books (say a photo book with minimal predicted sales) you have no choice
Anyway, I think Harry is okay but I won't be buying his book as I am not that interested in him.
Ah, yeah, agree. Add in economies of scale (short runs cost more per book than guaranteed big sellers that have a huge first print run) and commodity effect (as a best seller it's available everywhere in large numbers) and the early doors price should come as no surprise. It's cheaper because it's popular, not because it isn't.
@poopscoop - I don't think his options are A. Sell the family secrets in a book and a Netflix deal worth gazillions or B. Work in Wal-Mart for minimum wage.
I'm pretty sure he has sufficient money and support in place to never have to work or to release a book gossiping about his family. He did say he wanted a quiet life away from the Royal Family did he not?
I'm also not offended but also won't be buying the book - or watching anything about him on Netflix. Pretty sure he will be enjoying the $100m to $150m deal he signed with Netflix.
I have no hate or contempt for him by the way. I don't think he should have wrote the book, but I'm from a "normal" family and our secrets are our family secrets....not that we have any of any interest to other people. But agree with your last comment, about the ultimate generational grifters and he is just doing the same.
Can't say i disagree with any of their activities, they've been burned by the media and their family, i just look at the key moments through their lives together:
The Wedding - UK Press paying family members to dish the dirt and cause a circus, then media attention about the cost of security for the wedding and so on.
Moving in to their house, shock horror about renovations costing 2 million, in the end they pay that back, didn't see that with Wills and Kate, or Andrew and Fergie, or any other royal member moving into a royal residence.
Taking a break from royal activities, absolutely hounded, even after taking a break away for family reasons, move to the US, the press are all over them, haven't set foot in the UK in ages, but weekly media reports, almost always negative. this of course after being removed from being paid royals as well.
Now they're out there making money it's all wrong, do they have too do it, probably not, but i'm guessing Harry is past caring now, i am completely indifferent to them, but i can see what a complete hatchet job this has been from start to finish, the amount of press on them at the funeral as well, non stop negative stories again about friction, being selfish, etc, etc.
I'm just tired of the constant Royal Insider, Professional lip readers, body language experts, etc, etc being rolled out every time they are anywhere near an event, whilst the rest of the royal household hide their bad news behind these two.
Take away all the sensationalist headlines in the papers and you have a guy from a messed up family that has managed to break away from them and is telling the world about why he did so.
I strongly suspect that every family has its secrets, squabbles and disagreements - but there's very few who think it's a great idea to make them public.
Blaming William and Kate for him wearing a Nazi uniform is not very normal, nor is holding a grudge because your [elder] brother had a bigger bedroom than you or that you had a tiff and he broke your necklace FFS!
None of these things are actual 'things' and he needs to stop making a big deal of literally everything that happens.
I couldn't give a shit about him and would very much like him to have gone to the USA and lived the quiet life as he said he wanted to do - I'm most annoyed that the BBC saw fit to publicise his book for 2 weeks before it came out.
but there’s very few who think it’s a great idea to make them public
I agree. And he’s chosen to fight back. Many people think that he should have done so by shutting up. He’s chosen to fight fire with fire. Good luck to him.
I passed through Glasgow airport earlier. A big pile of Harry’s book, 50% off. What’s that, three days after it was released?
I think this point scoring is mostly outing the people who don't buy books very often.
The only hardbacks that ever seem to be full price are textbooks.
I’m just tired of the constant Royal Insider, Professional lip readers, body language experts, etc, etc being rolled out every time they are anywhere near an event,
I'm increasingly convinced that the best argument for getting rid of the Royal family is that it will do away with the royal correspondents
And he’s chosen to fight back
I am not so convinced by his righteous victim act, I was quite sympathetic before this latest round of publicity, now I just think he is starting fights rather than fighting back and that he is at least as culpable as the rest of "the firm" for the problems.
I’m increasingly convinced that the best argument for getting rid of the Royal family is that it will do away with the royal correspondents
I must confess I don't hate the way Jonny Diamond plays it on R4.
I know there's an argument for him 'filling the vacuum' before the press just 'made stuff up' about him, but was he daft enough to think the press wouldn't cherry pick and misrepresent excepts from his very own book against him to make their own points anyway?
I’m still perturbed by the dislike/contempt for Harry.
Me too, I don't understand it, until you read the tabloids spinning a very narrow angle...
daft enough to think the press wouldn’t cherry pick and misrepresent excepts from his very own book against him to make their own points anyway?
Yup.
This is what Harry actually said, the basis of the tabloids painting a purposfully obsure picture of him boasting about killing talliban....
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1612409235286941696?s=20&t=ZNdw0C1WG_7Xu5MHty7HKw
^^ That's actually pretty staggering. Thanks for posting.
I’m still perturbed by the dislike/contempt for Harry.
I'm not, he behaved like a petulant spoilt child, had a tantrum and been surprised no one has rushed in to wipe his tears. He's tried to take on the gutter press and is losing. They are known as the gutter press for good reason, they dont play fair. He of all people should have understood that. The rest of the Royals get it (well maybe not his uncle), a downside of all that immense privilege and wealth is the press attention. The best way to manage it generally is to not engage. All this he's only setting the record straight is rubbish, all he's doing is pouring petrol on the fire.
I'm more surprised at the general levels of hate directed at the rest of the family which seems to be based on little more than personal prejudice and dislike of the hereditary wealth they have. We only have Harry's word for most of what has allegedly happened. He's the one that has decided to bite the hand that feeds him. Harry is no different to the rest of them except he seems to be have a martyr complex.
petulant spoilt child
Like his father and nan who had/ have people of the same shoe size in the Royal Court stretch their shoes to size so the Royal feet dont have to suffer a blister? Yes, that's true and it's actually one of the less pampered things they regard as normal. Having your shoe laces ironed each morning anyone, or having your own family bow/ courtesy to you even behind closed palace doors?
Not sure I see Harry as the child in this scenario.
He’s tried to take on the gutter press and is losing.
He's literally taken "them" to court and won and is still pursuing them over phone hacking etc along with the family of Stephen Lawrence and many others.
I’m more surprised at the general levels of hate directed at the rest of the family which seems to be based on little more than personal prejudice and dislike of the hereditary wealth they have.
I don't hate them but they are a complete anathema to me and an increasing amount of other people. More importantly, their popularity is at an all time low amongst the young of this country. The baton will fall to them to turf them out on day.
He’s the one that has decided to bite the hand that feeds him.
He's fled the hand that feeds him which is fundamentally different. I doubt the rest of the Royals know how to tie their own shoe laces so they will never rock their own highly polished and guilded boat.
We can't even trust the BBC any more, just look at the obviously photoShopped pictures in this 'article'.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-64247552