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So over the weekend we had a Pride event in liverpool, lots of positiveness around the event, most shops and retail chains displaying rainbow banners etc, huge turn out by the police and specials parading, along with huge crtowds watching, filming and taking pictures, even a christian group protesting, who had their own police guard.
But negativity from some quarters on antisocial media, about the number of police parading and the LGBTQ thing being overly promoted and shoved down peoples throats, their words not mine,along with disruption to the city roads and shops.
Strangely we had months of bloody football and we had that on every channel and on all media, and they still lost.
Whats everyones opinion.
You sound a bit intolerant of football and people that enjoy it. Everyone is different, live and let live. People enjoying football doesn’t hurt you, does it?
It's getting more and more like a corporate event each year
Corporate is good - can you imagine major companies fighting to sponsor a LGBTQ event in the 80s? Hopefully it will just end up in boring normality in a few years.
what fun......when your work orders you to attend and if you refuse you are required to a LGBT awareness course and a note put on your file.
I had other events arranged prior to this but they had to be cancelled.
Whats everyones opinion.
Northumberland’s first one took place here they marched from town passing my street to the main event, was brilliant. I popped around to the event to catch up with friend, loads of family activities going was a cracking event. Certainly better than watching a football game.
It was Glasgow pride a few weeks ago and the only folk I heard complaining were my gay mates! Ticketing was a rip off and fiasco as were the prices at the bar at the main event. Far too commercial nowadays apparently.
Apart from that, not a murmur from anyone else though no doubt there are some knuckle draggers out there who will always moan
Some people like football. Get over it.
they don't even pay road tax..
bruneep, on your days off or as part of a working shift
Ticketing was a rip off and fiasco as were the prices at the bar at the main event. Far too commercial nowadays apparently.
Free event here here and bar prices were exactly the same as every other week.
Whats everyones opinion.
I predict:
Some will be trying a little too hard to be seen as being right on.
Some will be trolling.
Some will throw shade at knuckle draggers who might not like it.
Etc.
Edit: Cor. just imagine if we could do bullet points and other fancy formatting stuff.
Jamie thats just your opinion of other peoples opinions, what is required is deeper thinking by more eductated persons, im not one of them , eg an educated person.
working day.
I had arranged other work ages before this came to attention, but I was told I had to drop everything and attend, refusal woul lead to the above.
Who do you work for Bruneep?
What does the 'Q' stand for?
Straight blokes who like football still exist? We must get rid of these Neanderthals asap
Looking forward to attending Brighton pride parade at the weekend but the event as a whole is too commercial and an excuse for a massive pissup/drugfest and trashing of Brighton's streets by visitors so possibly losing it's way somewhat.
People don’t like stuff being shoved down their throats, especially if they don’t support it. Football, diversity, cycling through London. Somebody is always going to moan. Expecting 100% support and positivity is setting yourself up for dissapointment, especially when it is so easy to share your opinion these days.
What does the ‘Q’ stand for?
Queer or Questioning, kinda whichever fits best.
Some people are not not fans of the term queer but others are. I’m a bit of a fan.
Rachel
Funny, haven't the police been going on for months about how they were so short of resources, due to funding cuts, that they didn't have enough staff left to fight crime or properly manage evidence disclosure? (Similar lack of resources with Fire service etc.)
People don’t like stuff being shoved down their throats,
Well, some do...
I just can’t stand the corporatisation of it all. Consequently, I loved the Jonathan Pie commentary.
Free event here here and bar prices were exactly the same as every other week
Apparently they oversold the Glasgow one so people with tickets couldn’t get in. Once in it was £6 for a pint of crap lager!
I think the pride events are great and the more mainstream they become the better. I agree with bruneep though, working for the same service it has become the fashionable thing to jump on this year. Those pushing it couldn’t give a shit, and some are nailed on homophobic but it gets them brownie points in the promotion race. It’s a real shame that it can be polluted by these reptiles and is the reason I would be against getting involved when on duty.
Jamie thats just your opinion of other peoples opinions
No, I reckon he's pretty bang on with that.
My Mother in Law on said Pride event; there just seems to be a lot of them because clearly some people are just pretending to be gay because it's fashionable.
Oh how I laughed and laughed, until I realised she was serious.
Enjoyed Mr Pye, thank you.
My office, here in Vancouver, had a Pride event in the cafe and large meeting room upstairs: free alcohol, free food, and lots of interesting posters talking about key people, historical events, social conventions etc. It was purely voluntary (literally), but why wouldn't you?
Interesting oint re. policing of football. Manchester City team coach attacked with bricks and flares whilst Merseyside Police stand by and watch. When they are finally called out they reluctantly investigate but no arrests despite lots of video footage of said event.
Maybe Merseyside Police should try spending a bit more time dealing with crime rather than trying to appear right on by organising so much coverage at this recent event?
Great day out in Liverpool on Saturday happy friendly event good vibes all round. Its great when they close roads off for people to enjoy the city. Can only imagine the shops takings would be boosted. Religious protesters drowned out by disco and seen off with the Benny Hill theme tune. Heard no negative points about it. Even some very un pc mates in town out drinking ended up in the middle of it all saying they had a great time so job done really.
Enjoyed Norwich Pride on Saturday.
I’m one of the team organising the first ever King’s Lynn Pride on the 18th August. It has been an interesting learning curve - road closures, bar max sizes, safety forms, police intelligence reports etc etc.
Rachel
We have the rainbow flag flying at work at present, heard a couple of moans, guys in their 50s about how it didn't bother them, but they don't like it 'in their faces'...
It's pretty much a mixture of ignorance and macho posturing that is dying off thankfully, times are definitely changing - there's quite a few openly gay guys at work, when I started my apprenticeship in the 90s, that would never have happened.
Interesting oint re. policing of football. Manchester City team coach attacked with bricks and flares whilst Merseyside Police stand by and watch. When they are finally called out they reluctantly investigate but no arrests despite lots of video footage of said event.
Maybe Merseyside Police should try spending a bit more time dealing with crime rather than trying to appear right on by organising so much coverage at this recent event?
Christ, you still banging on about this? 🤣
Quote from the guy who runs the B&B I was staying in on the weekend of the York Pride event.....
"What is it they're marching for? Don't they already have everything they want?"
Maybe Merseyside Police should try spending a bit more time dealing with crime rather than trying to appear right on by organising so much coverage at this recent event?
How about when people stop thinking it's being right on they could back it off a bit.
Love the "I'm not ______ but" replies though
Bruneep - so your company redirected you to different work for a day when it would be busy? If they'd done the same for a footie match would you have felt so aggrieved?
Merseyside Police promoting events like this will hopefully reduce hate crime which can only be a positive effect Cletus for everyone. Unless of course it's Man City in which case get the flares out. This is Anfield!
Northumberland’s first one took place here they marched from town passing my street to the main event, was brilliant.
Drac - one of my sisters was the police gold commander for that, she felt it had gone really well so glad to hear your view 🙂
yup I'd been livid as I dont do wendyball
Glad the message is spreading into the Provences TBH. It’s always been quoted that London moves 5years ahead, well this is probably 10yrs in this instance.
Accept people for who they are and concentrate on yourself for being a human who accepts others.
Everyones quoting “the new normal” this IS the new normal.
Get used to it.
Pains me to say it but this is part of a Brexit backlash, the demographics that split the country and intolerance was accepted. Not anymore it isn’t.
Glad the message is spreading into the Provences TBH
Yep. Rural south- eastern France has a bit of catching up to do...
Rural south- eastern France has a bit of catching up to do…
Mind the Gap.
Gosh show us the way London or we’re all doomed.
Drac – one of my sisters was the police gold commander for that, she felt it had gone really well so glad to hear your view
It did I’m sure there would be the odd person. The 95 year old dear at the bottom of our street who I was in her garden as they marched past certainly made a few comments. She stopped when I said hello to a few in the March who knew me. I’m not sure but maybe she’s Ninfan’s granny.
I thought the marches originated from America? Is this something else London is claiming?
The 95 year old dear at the bottom of our street who I was in her garden as they marched past certainly made a few comments. She stopped when I said hello to a few in the March who knew me. I’m not sure but maybe she’s Ninfan’s granny.
Doubt it - my granny's dead and my mums garden is flat as a pancake (not uphill)
Love the “I’m not ______ but” replies though
Well, as I've commented on here before - I've certainly had a mans penis in my mouth, but I don't particularly feel the need to run around attaching rainbow flags to myself or marching around in a crop top blowing a whistle about it. Nor do I think that taxpayers money should be taking police and fire brigade off their duties in order to 'celebrate' any particular political or social campaigning (in much the same was as I'd be equally repulsed by police officers attending a BNP or stop the war rally in uniform)
but I don’t particularly feel the need to run around attaching rainbow flags to myself or marching around in a crop top blowing a whistle about it
And for that we are all grateful.
Doubt it – my granny’s dead and my mums garden is flat as a pancake (not uphill)
Ah maybe not then.
And for that we are all grateful.
Small mercies.
Love the “I’m not ______ but” replies though
Is there any?
If it helps you sleep better, Ninfan, the police officers in the parade are largely off-duty. They actually want to be there because they know it helps them promote a better relationship with the community.
For King’s Lynn, there will be a number of officers allocated to the march for safety duties but they won’t be particularly “visible” on the march.
Rachel
If it helps you sleep better, Ninfan, the police officers in the parade are largely off-duty.
Brilliant.
I presume they are free to turn up in uniform, off duty of course, to support an EDL or anti-abortion rally as well?
Awww bless little Ninfan he’s losing his troll skills.
A lot of people were "throwing shade" (LOLZ) on Ride for London. Apparently they don't even pay road tax, are dead white males etc. Personally I don't want to go out with my family and have men in tight fitting revealing clothing displaying their genitalia in front of me. I can get all that at home.
Lucky you.
If it helps you sleep better, Ninfan, the police officers in the parade are largely off-duty. They actually want to be there because they know it helps them promote a better relationship with the community.
Do you know that for sure? Wondering if Bruneep is a police officer, he appears to essentially be being blackmailed to attend! Promoting tolerance (if that is what this is) can only be positive, so I understand why the Police want to show that their officers are supporting it. I think you are rather overestimating the tolerance of the individual officers though. Some will actively support it; some will support the notion, but dislike being 'forced' to attend; and some will be total bigots who have to put on a brave face for the sake of their job.
What's a 'dead white male' (beyond the literal description)?
Wondering if Bruneep is a police officer
No he's a Construction Worker I think. Or maybe a Red Indian.
I’ve certainly had a mans penis in my mouth
It doesn't count if it's your own
I'm not sure donald's post got the recognition it deserved earlier. Chapeau, donald.
Ninfan posts he has had a mans penis in his mouth,
some of us just like to say tounge in cheek
The march was in memory of Mr Michael Causer who was murdered by thugs in Liverpool 10 years ago, sadly over the years in all parts of the uk , many men and women have been killed or seriously hurt, for just being gay and enjoying sex with a same sex partner, something which straight having sex with a oposite sex partner accept as normal.
Ninfan when you go out with your g/f or wife, perhaps show no signs of love, no touching, no kissing etc, worry about being attacked, swore at spat at etc, and according to press reports this still happens frequently, thats what PRIDE is all about.
Bruneep is actually a budgie smuggler
is there a black market for budgies that they need to be smuggled 🤔
No he’s a Construction Worker I think. Or maybe a Red Indian.
🙂
Glad the message is spreading into the Provences TBH. It’s always been quoted that London moves 5years ahead, well this is probably 10yrs in this instance.
Pride event in Manchester has been going on since early 2000s. I think we are provincial. Well, we must be, we're not London.
Ninfan when you go out with your g/f or wife, perhaps show no signs of love, no touching, no kissing etc, worry about being attacked, swore at spat at etc, and according to press reports this still happens frequently, thats what PRIDE is all about.
That really doesnt explain to me why police and firemen should be there, in uniform (paid or not) when they would not be allowed to do the same for any other socio-political campaign or rally.
As I said above - why shouldn’t they also attend EDL rallies in uniform? or maybe animal rights? How long before we have Vegan police officers walking around with stalks of broccoli sticking out of their epaulettes?
Once you fracture the separation between the police (impartial enforcers of the law as written) and ethical/moral/political campaigning for the latest bandwagon (whatever it may be) then we are all worse off. Let’s now look at a scenario where someone, maybe you, is (falsely) accused of a homophobic hate crime - how would you feel if two days before the investigating Officer had been dancing round in uniform with a rainbow flag proclaiming his gay pride and telling us how evil homophobia was?
Would you feel you were going to get a truly impartial and fair investigation of the allegations against you?
still, you won’t want to think about this, far too complex and nuanced an uncomfortable argument. Probably easier to just dismiss me as another evil right wing homophobe.
Let’s now look at a scenario where someone, maybe you, is (falsely) accused of a homophobic hate crime – how would you feel if two days before the investigating Officer had been dancing round in uniform with a rainbow flag proclaiming his gay pride and telling us how evil homophobia was?
Bit like how they are impartial in racism and murder inquiries?
As I said above – why shouldn’t they also attend EDL rallies in uniform?
How are the EDL going at being tolerant and inclusive these days?
Bit like how they are impartial in racism and murder inquiries?
Yep. +1
Probably easier to just dismiss me as another evil right wing homophobe.
Honestly, you aren't doing a great job of persuading people otherwise :-).
It's not really a campaign, it's more a festival/carnival/celebration..
I've been to a few and I've always thought it was a fun atmosphere, and I say that as a straight man.
Sure it's bourne out of something once being illegal and socially unacceptable becoming ok, but that shouldn't detract from the fact it's a good carnival/festival..
As I said above – why shouldn’t they also attend EDL rallies in uniform?
The police certainly attended the EDL/Tommy Robinson march in Leeds the other month, bunch of drunk racists causing a public nuisance and intimidating members of the public that were just going about thier business.
There is literally no comparison unless you're Mr biggoty mc bigot face. I know what crowd I'd feel safer in and it's not the one charged up on Stella's and strongbow dark fruits, threatening violence.
Let’s now look at a scenario where someone, maybe you, is (falsely) accused of speeding – how would you feel if two days before the investigating Officer had been dancing round in uniform with a anti-speeding flag proclaiming his hate for speeding and telling us how evil speeding was?
There is literally no comparison unless you’re Mr biggoty mc bigot face.
He’s a troll and a crap one.
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Well?
I’d be comforted to know he is deliberately trying to be a crap troll, and doesn’t actually believe any of that nonsense above 😁
even a christian group protesting
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Bit like how they are impartial in racism and murder inquiries?
Exactly what I was thinking! Also It's not about politics or opinions. It's a fact that being homophobic is not acceptable today but that people have suffered in very recent history but that they no longer have to suffer due to loving the wrong type of person.
That really doesnt explain to me why police and firemen should be there, in uniform (paid or not) when they would not be allowed to do the same for any other socio-political campaign or rally.
its not a socio political rally, its a support group for a large group of people who have been repressed by society in general previously.
Bit like how they are impartial in racism and murder inquiries?
Look whats just just happened with disclosure in a whole series of rape cases...
How are the EDL doing at being tolerant and inclusive these days
see, there you go, proving my point - by moralising the issue you manage to undermine the very structure of the law. A few years back homosexuality was viewed as morally unacceptable, to many eating meat is morally unacceptable, how about prostitution ?
If your defence to marching for one ‘cause’ is that it’s morally acceptable but that another cause isn’t, then how can you expect those who are the real victims of intolerance and violence as part of their immoral lifestyles to trust the police to protect them?
Probably easier to just dismiss me as another evil right wing homophobe.
Nope. You’re just an attention seeking oddball
see, there you go, proving my point – by moralising the issue you manage to undermine the very structure of the law. A few years back homosexuality was viewed as morally unacceptable, to many eating meat is morally unacceptable, how about prostitution ?
In many places eating meat is not part of the culture, in others prostitution is legal, do you have a point about when being a bit of a fascist will become legal?
how about prostitution ?
Last year had the pleasure of working for some prostitues, lovely ladies with a great sence of humour and customer service,, when i asked them why they did it, they all said where else could i earn so much cash so easily, it pays for things for my kids, it pays for holidays etc, and they did have a varied clientele, hopefully some day it will be made legal and the sleeze factor taken away, just like gay clubs and bars are opening around towns, and straight people visit them, for secret relationships, or just a change of scenery.
its a support group for a large group of people who have been repressed by society in general previously.
Isnt that how Al Quaida view themselves?