[Closed] pretty people do better than ugly people....

*runs off to check face in mirror and compare with bank balance*

There is also a link between height and earnings

I must be an exception. Tall, devilishly handsome and on totally crap wages. 👿

I think there has been a few studies on attractiveness versus success and height versus success.

I'm a bit of a short arse but my mother says I'm handsome so I should be okay!

I think there's a link between scientists needing funding and sensationalist studies that get attention

[i]do you think its easier to get ahead if you're attractive?[/i]

Not in this company - But it does help if you're prepared to lick every arse that passes your way. *not bitter*

Its not height or beauty, but the ability to fawn to those above and stand on those below that get you success in life.
"Only cream and bastards rise".

ok, you're a big company and you need directors and managers that dazzle the other companies you want to work with.... most of those companies have male staff that you'll be dealing with, do you promote the hot blonde with some business sense and the proven ability to get what she wants out of male colleagues, or the 64yr old gran who might know her stuff better than the younger blonde but she's not going to attract the other company's male workforce in the same way? (you can of course swap hot blonde for 'male model type' and the scenario still works)

virgin airways are well known amongst the airline staff for being incredibly harsh on how attractive their cabin staff have to look.

promotions agencies are always after attractive people to have on the front line.

bars will purposely hire good looking staff.

the entertainment industry is a clear examples of looks over talent.

height vs earnings doesn't surprise me in the same way, taller people have more presence in the room and a natural air of authority and knowledge.

It appears that bitterness seems to concentrate in gopping midgets.

Stoner
6'4" of handsome mintiness.

now deadlydarcy is well known for being an attractive fellow, but he's also short.... so i predict for him... success, but on a limited level.

according to mr deadlydarcy, Stoner is indeed a tall epically handsome chap... so for him.... success and riches.

oh, it would appear that i am shorter and uglier than i thought i was then.

short and ugly you say? i predict.... benefits and no teeth by the age of 50.

First, let's define 'success' 😉

First born versus second etc apparently - but I will debate this vigorously!!

success in business, not success in the wealth a loving family and friends can provide.

Theres probably something in how people feel its their place to do something. Perhaps more attractive people succeed in their endevours because they feel its right for them to try. By the same measure you could look at the percentage of people in government who are ex-etonians or the top tier bbc employees who are ex-oxbridge. I'm not aware that either oxford or cambridge are offering degrees in media studies. But those people have no reservations in putting themselves forward for those roles.

Where there are bars to success the barrier can be two sided - if you look at equality for womens pay: There was a study where a senior job was advertised twice - one advert with a £30k pay packet and another with the same job and person spec but a £50k pay packet. Plenty of women applied for the first, non even enquired for the latter.

^good point!

Let's assume that people are imperfect and judge others on appearance. At the level of getting a job, HR tends to be staffed by women. Attractive women may therefore be less likely to be offered a job. Attractive men may be more likely to be offered a job. This was the finding of one study (Ruffle & Shtudiner) although the experiment was done with pictures attached to CVs, [The causality I've implied came from the Economist].
Business is people & people like pretty people!

There is a stat that something like 74% of the FTSE 100 bosses are 6 foot plus.

How pretty and tall are you, Phil? 🙂

Business is people & people like pretty people!

that's what i figured 🙂

'ohhhh he's got a nice face, lets give him a job'
'ohhh she's got some great... ahem... assets, lets give her a job'

Im 6'5" of ugly bitterness. 😐

'ohhh she's got some great... ahem... assets, lets give her a job'

This ^^^^

Once did bar work in a banqueting suite. I cleared £2 ish in tips per night and I like to think I'm quite pretty ( 8O). The two skinny blondes, who knew what they were doing - bending low to take orders - cleared £50 and more each night.

Also worked for an investment company for a while. My boss was female, reasonably pretty and endowed ( * coughs *). Believe me, it wasn't her brains or capabilities that got her promoted.

People like people who are like themselves. Recruitment is largely about finding "clones".

How's Horas penis doing financially. Apparently its a thing of awe-inspiring beauty

camo, i've got girly wrists and a small jaw, big spurting grey hairs in my eyebrows and a nipple hair on the left that likes to grow to a fair old length longer than the others, unmanageable hair, wonky bottom teeth, stretch marks from being a lot fatter when i was younger and the constant yo-yo-ing of my weight since then, an old birthmark that has faded under my chin means beard growth is patchy and the skin looks weird in photo's... i wear clothes that dont fit well cos i can't get over the 'hiding my body with baggy clothes' thing and i'm constantly intimidated by the ever increasing number of men that look like they've stepped out of a catalogue with the gym bodies, expensive haircuts, up-to-date fashion choices and designer stubble.

but i am 6ft tall so i predict a similar level of success to deadly darcy as we're opposites, him short but sexy, me tall but weird.

still wondering what

wimminz

they're a type of white fish, tasty with butter and garlic i'm told.

heh, i wonder how many STW IT consultants got their jobs based on how beautiful they are 🙂

I thought being ugly was a prerequisite to a sucessful career in IT?

I'm exceptionally good looking*, fit, healthy and 5.11" which should just put me under the 74% of Corp Bosses index above, which on the whole is actually not too far away from the truth. Success shouldn’t be measured in pure monetary wealth terms but the whole lifestyle, which again puts me way up the scale. I do seem to fit the mould Mr newly married PhillyC puts forward.

I suspect there are a good few on here that fit the mould too, yet seem to lack the confidence to agree.

Wiminz.. erm I know of quite a few stunningly beautiful but thick and utterly dumb wiminz in business, but they are not the ones who have the top jobs, it's the ugly fat ones that wear Louis Vitton scalves that sit in those (increasingly tight) seats.

*no, seriously I am, MWA xxx.

There is a stat that something like 74% of the FTSE 100 bosses are 6 foot plus.

Believe me, it wasn't her brains or capabilities that got her promoted

I guess being an object of desire doesn't harm your chances either.

It never fails to amaze me what undoing an extra button on a blouse can achieve.

i think being an object of desire makes it easier to learn those skills tbh...

agreed on 6ft not being tall, just being 'not short'

i used to feel tall when i was younger, but there's so many more tall people around nowadays!

confidence is sexy, its easier to be confident when people tell you your sexy, confidence is key in business.... but largely to do with upbringing/parenting, hence the oxbridge crowd maybe and why you get the odd short ugly anomalies to the general rule?

It's not about height or prettiness. It's about hair.

Going bald? You're going to struggle I'm afraid.

BTW, my boss who sits on the board of a FTSE100 company is about 4'10". She's got plenty of hair though.

Of course, our CEO is about 6'2". Full head of hair.

[i]It never fails to amaze me what undoing an extra button on a blouse can achieve. [/i]

When I tried this I got tried for sexual harrassment. I was only trying to help her advance.

*runs fingers through my full head of hair*

i feel a promotion coming on 😀

couldn't we class a full head of hair as part of being attractive though? being disabled (missing arms, severe mental health problems, wearing glasses, baldness) isn't an excuse for not achieving if you've got confidence, determination and a winning set of boobs.

That's a good point phil. I mean I've got two arms but I've certainly got mental health problems, wear glasses and am going bald and I really have to fight to get on in life despite having the body of a greek god.

It depends who you work for. And if you're prepared to fully exploit it to what level

I used to work in a company run by lecherous American sleazebags. An admittedly very attractive girl I once worked with used to seem to forget to get dressed the morning of important meetings with the powers that be.

She was consistently promoted, despite being utterly and completely useless, monumentally lazy, and universally loathed by everyone she worked with, on account of being an absolute bitch

None of the above height/age/hair/attractiveness findings apply to the public sector. Fact. Go up the ladder in public sector and you leave all the devilishly good looking, cheeky, tall, full head of hair and good sense of humour people behind. Fact.

So the bottom line is that guys, even boss guys, are suckers for a winning set of boobs?

Should I stop stretching myself to gain those extra inches and practicing pretty faces in the mirror then?

I'm unfeasably attractive, but almost clinically dead in the intelligence department.. I'm surrounded by sycophants as a result..

It ain't all good baby

what about piers morgan?

When I worked for the public sector I must have started above the attractive threshold then because I don't remember seeing one attractive person during the whole six months that I endured there.

If you work in the public sector, isn't it compulsory to arrive at work looking like you've spent the night in a bus shelter?

i work in the public sector and our lab is brimming with very attractive well presented young women

oh and as its a big university there are approximately 10000 female students aged about 19+ wandering around

i do however look like i slept in a bus shelter

Bernie Ecclesttone has done alright!

Maybe the DWP ban all attractive people from working there then.

Or perhaps some start pretty but the relentless bureaucracy, stifling control over innovation and general drab working conditions make everyone turn ugly after a while.

it might actually explain SiB's point. Irrespective of how good looking you were when you started, by the time you've worked your way up to a succesful point in the organisation the conditions you work in has made you bitter and twisted. When you sleep you probably look pretty again but while your concious mind is active your face is just one snarling pit of fetid anger.

So, guys, if you were interviewing two people for a job, each with the same level of skill/education/motivation/coffee making ability and one was a hottie with a winning set of boobs while the other was a likeable chap who looked a bit like Ray Reardon, who would you employ?

In that situation I've been reliably informed the correct expression is T & T

confidence is sexy, its easier to be confident when people tell you your sexy,

...and not a good idea at work of course.

so as a short, bald, slightly overweight glasses wearer who doesn't drink alcohol, i'm screwed really, aren't i?

so as a short, bald, slightly overweight glasses wearer who doesn't drink alcohol, i'm screwed really, aren't i?

Nope, quite the reverse...

Its another of those "Life's not fair" shockers. It really isn't, and you get what you can. Its a bun fight and any advantage people can leverage they will. The biggest difference is ambition, if you don't have it you won't do what it takes to get to the top cos you won't want to do what it takes, which generally isn't very nice or fun.

ruthlessness and the ability to screw other's over is pretty key to success in the modern business world, may i suggest that it's much easier to be the bad guy who makes the money when you've always been bitter and care little about the fortune of others... if you're short and ugly... AKA Bernie Ecclesttone 😉

The biggest difference is ambition, if you don't have it you won't do what it takes to get to the top cos you won't want to do what it takes, which generally isn't very nice or fun.

wurd dawg. i have ambition, but i wont let it put me in a position where i might hurt another person. as such my talents are used to make other's the big bucks and i get to go home knowing i've made a positive difference to people. i like it this way

Being of only average height and appearance I'm doing OK. One bad decision, say a tattoo, and I'd be struggling a lot more on the employment front.

Its self reinforcing too, people with good genes tend to do better because they come from families with good genes who tend to have done well. Hence they have the expectations and advantages from the start, plus the ability / assets. Plus successful men / women tend to have good look partners, hence good looking children, and so it goes on.

Also worked for an investment company for a while. My boss was female, reasonably pretty and endowed ( * coughs *). Believe me, it wasn't her brains or capabilities that got her promoted.

It turns out that there's more to data than anecdotes!

😆

that'd explain why the benefit queues are full of ugly tattoo'd people!

This absolutely cannot be true.

DD is ****ing gorgeous and he spends all day on his knees! 😉

Certainly tick the ugly box so I see why I'm skint.

Thanks for explaining!

he may be gorgeous and have the biceps of a greek god, but there's no denying what he oozes in looks, he loses in height.

therefore.... mid-success.

As well as his work as George Clooneys hair double, I was thinking only last night, Bravisimo has a certain Jose-esque air to his persona

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Case dismissed

DD is **** gorgeous and he spends all day on his knees!

Does he get a fiver a time?

Does he get a fiver a time?

I've heard he's a whole lot more expensive than that. But he is [i]very[/i] good with wood.

£2.50 with his teeth in!

Honey Money by Catherine Hakim

I really have to fight to get on in life despite having the body of a greek god.

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Dionysus?

well the cock size is right but I'm a bit taller than that.

last time I checked the dragons were all gopping bar Peter "i've got quirky socks" jones.

short, fat, ugly, balding......yep I'm knackered on all levels, cheers philly you've made my bleak existence even more futile 😥

but you're wealthy in terms of the amount of people who love you tazzy!

(knows your not really fat cos i've seen photatoes!)

you're wealthy in terms of the amount of people who love you tazzy

I tried self love, now need to Veet my palms on a regular basis and am a regular at spec savers

can't have been pics of me philly...I look like one of the minions in despicable me

It's not about height or prettiness. It's about hair.

Going bald? You're going to struggle I'm afraid.

BTW, my boss who sits on the board of a FTSE100 company is about 4'10". She's got plenty of hair though.

Of course, our CEO is about 6'2". Full head of hair.

Wrong. There is no statistically significant evidence for your theory.

As someone with a Medical Science BmedSci and a particular interest in Genetics....

Its self reinforcing too, people with good genes tend to do better because they come from families with good genes who tend to have done well. Hence they have the expectations and advantages from the start, plus the ability / assets. Plus successful men / women tend to have good look partners, hence good looking children, and so it goes on.

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Educational and financial success is much more strongly dependent on environmental factors, I bet even epigenetics factors into it more strongly. Not to mention a lot of Oxbridge guys are ugly. Read this and let it blow your ****ing mind.

Bakermans-Kranenburg and van Ijzendoorn wanted to see whether kids with a risk allele for ADHD and externalizing behaviors (a variant of a dopamine-processing gene known as DRD4) would respond as much to positive environments as to negative. A third of the kids in the study had this risk allele; the other two-thirds had a version considered a “protective allele,” meaning it made them less vulnerable to bad environments. The control group, who did not receive the intervention, had a similar distribution.

Both the vulnerability hypothesis and the orchid hypothesis predict that in the control group the kids with a risk allele should do worse than those with a protective one. And so they did—though only slightly. Over the course of 18 months, the genetically “protected” kids reduced their externalizing scores by 11 percent, while the “at-risk” kids cut theirs by 7 percent. Both gains were modest ones that the researchers expected would come with increasing age. Although statistically significant, the difference between the two groups was probably unnoticeable otherwise.

The real test, of course, came in the group that got the intervention. How would the kids with the risk allele respond? According to the vulnerability model, they should improve less than their counterparts with the protective allele; the modest upgrade that the video intervention created in their environment wouldn’t offset their general vulnerability.

As it turned out, the toddlers with the risk allele blew right by their counterparts. They cut their externalizing scores by almost 27 percent, while the protective-allele kids cut theirs by just 12 percent (improving only slightly on the 11 percent managed by the protective-allele population in the control group). The upside effect in the intervention group, in other words, was far larger than the downside effect in the control group. Risk alleles, the Leiden team concluded, really can create not just risk but possibility.

Moral of the story, environment plays a more important role. There's a lot of smug idiots in this thread.

Also this thread exemplifies the reason why I always laugh when someone talks about sexism, racism, ageism etc. It's all about me, me me. At the end of the day everyone accepts lookism - for business (not hiring certain races might be profitable) or finding a mate etc (based on their own often wrong instinct, have you ever dated someone who turned out to be a psychopath or later on developed a disease? Well your genetic discrimination didn't work). My point being is that as a species we have apparently started evolving towards ending racism within society. However lookism would suggest we are as discriminatory and prone to incorrect assumptions as we have ever been. Therefore I would consider sexism or racism to be a problem because collective individuals with some identity stamp their feet when they feel they are being wronged - basically it's all about me. Those who are just ugly cannot speak out and people don't care because it's not ussually happening to them, they discriminate towards others based on looks anyway.

Well, enough of my insane rambling.

bwaaaaaaarp, so you agree with most of the thread that lookism as you word it is still pretty big in the modern day world? 🙂

I've just read this thread. 😯
Bullies!! 🙁