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[Closed] prescription drugs website - is it legal?

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some of you may or may not know our lad has been suffering from mental health issues for some years now, hes currently in supported living accommodation. one of the lasses there is a drug addict and gets regular deliveries from this site. she then makes life very difficult for the residents and staff, and is regularly taken to hospital.

https://www.insomniahelpers.com/

my wife works in a chemists and says shes amazed at the meds you can buy from there and doesnt think it should be legal. anyone know? and if it is indeed illegal is there anything we can do to shut it down?

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Posted : 11/07/2020 9:42 pm
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If they are supplying prescription drugs without prescription then yes it is illegal.
I notice there is no contact address on there which would make me wonder exactly what you would be receiving.
you should be able to contact the mhra who have an enforcement division.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/contact-mhra#medicines-enforcement
That link should have the email or contact details.
I am surprised that the home staff and your wife have not reported it to be honest. The risk of fake or adulterated medicine is huge


 
Posted : 11/07/2020 9:51 pm
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Thanks. We have reported it to the home who say they are aware of it.....


 
Posted : 11/07/2020 9:54 pm
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I would send an email to the mhra too, the home may not do anything further. Honestly these ****ers should all be closed and prosecuted as I wouldn't be surprised if most were fake medicines.


 
Posted : 11/07/2020 9:55 pm
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I've just seen you can order Tamazepam (which is prescription only) with no checks, so I think it must be illegal - I'm not a lawyer or doctor, just gut feeling.


 
Posted : 11/07/2020 9:55 pm
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Have just emailed the link to mhra.
Will see what comes back as it likely isn't uk based.


 
Posted : 11/07/2020 10:00 pm
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They wont be fakes, they'll be generics shipped from somewhere you can buy them OTC - India/Nepal/African countries etc.

Only way you'll stop this if they get caught up at customs (Luck of the draw - probably get a warning letter) or if the home/accommodation searches the mail.


 
Posted : 11/07/2020 10:02 pm
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I cannot find a address of any sort on its website. It will not be based in the UK. It is illegal to sell prescription only drugs in the UK without a prescription.


 
Posted : 11/07/2020 10:02 pm
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The WHOIS data is all locked up, so I imagine they know it smells fishy.


 
Posted : 11/07/2020 10:03 pm
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ive also just emailed them, not sure theres anything else we can do.

thanks for the link.


 
Posted : 11/07/2020 10:05 pm
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No worries, i know about the link as I have something in my contract at work about reporting of false medicines or reporting knowledge of side effects of any of my company's pharmaceuticals.


 
Posted : 11/07/2020 10:11 pm
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Not legal, no - but good luck getting anything done about it.

This is an increasing problem and the drugs sold often aren’t genuine (generics or otherwise)- not that the real thing would be a good idea, there’s a reason these things are prescription-only. They might look like the real thing, but when tested they tend to have active ingredients - normally but not always in the same category/class - but other ingredients too and sometimes far more potent/problematic derivatives.


 
Posted : 11/07/2020 10:31 pm
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some of the drugs they list are controlled drugs in the UK - fairly low-level but still an additional step up from just prescription only

well naughty


 
Posted : 11/07/2020 10:47 pm
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Shipped from outside of the UK - see shipping and delivery link - but no contact details.
They may be selling legit products which are available OTC in other countries but, as others ^^^, prescriptions in the UK are issued by GPs and filled by licensed and approved pharmacists; it's a tightly controlled system - and rightly so.
They state on the website they are not responsible if goods are '...seized in the destination country'.
I wonder how many avoidable problems have been caused by their products.
Definitely report; would be surprised if the MHRA weren't already aware of this or if this wasn't their first trading name.


 
Posted : 11/07/2020 11:01 pm
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just gut feeling.

they can sell you something for that.


 
Posted : 12/07/2020 8:12 am
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ive been rattling the local MH cage for years now, its often felt like ive been banging my head against a brick wall, but i think ive definitely made a difference to my lads care, particularly with over-medication in the past, im like a dog with a bone.

id like to report this officially, rather than just a phone call to a member of staff who says theyre aware of it and a plans in place. problem is im not sure who would be the best 'authority' to do so.

would it be the home itself? (i see from the website that its part of cqc.org.uk, care quality commission.)
or his CPN? his social worker? CAMHS? i just dont know the structure of MH service, there seems so many branches and im not sure who carries the weight.
i really dont think this lass should be in that place, i see it as supported accommodation for people with issues to try and gain independence, not somewhere for an out and out addict to be regularly receiving her meds through the post and creating havoc, which is unsettling for the residents, staff, and also the neighbours as theres always shouting, screaming, police and ambulances there.
yes im saying this from my lads point of view, but also surely this lass isnt getting the proper help she needs if this is knowingly allowed to happen?

thanks


 
Posted : 12/07/2020 2:37 pm
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Thanks for the link op 😉

This has been a problem of the customs union, and especially including Turkey in it, which seems to have much more available over the counter drugs. Theoretically post brexit it should be easier to deal with, but it will need an investment in resources that I don't see forthcoming.


 
Posted : 12/07/2020 2:50 pm
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if you think the care is sub standard then the care commission are the folk to go to I guess


 
Posted : 12/07/2020 2:53 pm
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its nothing to do with the customs union


 
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Posted : 12/07/2020 3:04 pm
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As others have mentioned definitely illegal to give any POM status drug to a UK resident without a prescription.

I would also doubt that there is anything in terms of quality control - the danger is that there may be non of the actual active ingredient in a given pack of their drugs. The next batch might be a generic version at full strength - the consequences of different strengths of the product, especially psychoactive ones is significant!

Well done for sharing the info with the authorities MHRA and the home.

Scary stuff!


 
Posted : 12/07/2020 5:51 pm
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Definetly illegal, I forget the exact term but, you can't sell certain drugs without prescription.

I buy my sumatriptan from Medexpress purely because its cheaper than 2for £8 from boots or waiting to get a doctors appointment then being limited to 12 pills (which would last me 4 days during a proper episode)


 
Posted : 12/07/2020 6:29 pm
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I remember seeing a documentary, in the no so distant past, think it was a Dispatches/Panorama type thing.

Basically there is a loophole whereby a private company recruits a bunch of qualified doctors in say Bulgaria, for example.

The internet punter can get a prescription by logging in, ticking the correct boxes and then get sent some pretty interesting drugs as long as they tick the right boxes for the 'consultation', it's all good. then they just get sent to you as a qualified doctor has prescribed them.

I forget what the documentary was called, I think it was on Iplayer for a while.


 
Posted : 12/07/2020 6:33 pm
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You may find there's a local councillor with a responsibility for residential homes, and the local MP might be worth informing.


 
Posted : 12/07/2020 6:35 pm
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Although it looks very professional there are plenty of clues in the FAQs and T&Cs that that website was written by some for whom English is not the first language.

My money’s on it being someone in China selling counterfeit drugs.


 
Posted : 12/07/2020 8:20 pm
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am i right in thinking that the home are not legally able to intercept mail even if they know this is happening? human rights etc?

i also hear she has been getting them delivered to another residents name, almost certainly with their permission, which would make it even harder.

thanks

EDIT: im also led to believe that the meds only take a couple of days to arrive, which suggests a location in this country?


 
Posted : 13/07/2020 8:33 am
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sadexpunk - they could make it a condition of living there that mail is checked - but the lazy of thinking will claim they cannot do this because of some bollox excuse.

Mail interception would not infringe their rights if they agreed to it as a condition of living there because if they don't want their mail intercepted they could move out.

I worked in a residential rehab centre for drug addiction and all mail was checked for drugs. the letters were not read tho - just the envelopes opened to look for concealments.


 
Posted : 13/07/2020 8:36 am

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