and Skelmersdale office in lancashire is the only one refusing to do so, AND GOING ON STRIKE, just perhaps the ROYAL MAIL, should stick to delivering letters and parcels, not putting young kids out of work, anmd delivering a crap paper, along with virgin broadband,talk talk,pizza and various political party leaflets.
all of which go for recycling without being looked at.
I'd be interested to hear what the posties in Liverpool have got to say on delivering the Sun
all of which go for recycling without being looked at.
We've started putting all ours straight back in the postbox. They deliver it, they can take it back!
Unsolicited?
I may have to write a strongly-worded letter to the Mail.
L postcode areas are not delivering it because the post office said so,every other area is getting deliveries.
A few things:
1. The Post Office doesn't deliver mail/leaflets/bricks back to UKIP. That's the job of the Royal Mail and other delivery companies.
2. Drab place though Skem is, when the new town was built it was filled with scousers. There remains a strong link to Liverpool.
3. You may remember a certain football related incident in Sheffield in 1989.
But why let the facts get in the way of a good rant, eh?!
Why would they go on strike? They are paid to deliver not choose what they deliver. Unless its racist etc.
We got a BNP mailer through delivered by RM. Shirley they should go on strike over THAT.
Oh, and I live in an L postcode (just). So will be happy not to receive it - it doesn't burn nearly as well as the Telegraph when lighting the stove....
Why would they go on strike? They are paid to deliver not choose what they deliver. Unless its racist etc.
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Unless it is properly sanctioned industrial action organised by the trade unions then they should not be allowed to strike. Not condoning The Sun's history here but the posties are paid to do a job. Unions are recognised for a reason, if they don't follow that route I have no sympathy.
Glad to hear this wont be delivered across the L post code area.
Yeah… perish the thought that anyone should have any principles eh? Ones they're prepared to stand up for? Just do as you're told, you horrible bunch of proles! 🙄
Unless it is properly sanctioned industrial action organised by the trade unions then they should not be allowed to strike.
24 hour fire strike on thursday and friday wonder if that was sanctioned properley
What happened to Down loading
To be honest i'll be the last to read that XXXX
But a waste of paper and not very environment friendly is it !
Is this save the SUN
I spent an enlightening Christmas temping at the Beeston sorting office a few years back.
They were on the point of walking out as someone changed the radio station before the allotted time. The other temps and I were strangely fixated by the frantic negotiations to resolve the crisis......by putting the radio station back to what it should have been!
To clarify, the radio station was changed every two hours to ensure everyone was equally annoyed by whatever was playing.
lets hope they had the relevant licences to play music
Actually, I wonder if they could deliver a load to me. I shall only be using them to light the fire in the winter, but it will save me the shame of buying the Telegraph in the local shops.
Think I'll put a note on the door on Thursday/Friday and ask the postie not to leave it!
Just post it back into a postbox. If everyone does that, its going to be a right PITA
Shrugs, I'll read it. Makes a change from the Metro or Stretford Reporter.
PostMEN!!! The PC brigade will be all over this like a rash. Postal Delivery Operatives. Or as I like to call ours t***. (this is not a slur on all posties, many of whom I am sure are hard working, but ours is a lying thieving scumbag who opens our mail!) 😐
Why would they go on strike? They are paid to deliver not choose what they deliver. Unless its racist etc.
The Sun is racist. See the recent 'halal scandal' for one bit of evidence.
I'm more amazballz by the fact that 22 copies of the Sun are sold. 😯
Is there somewhere we can register to opt out?
Putting them back in the Post Box sounds like an excellent response.
Fortunately I live in Wales...
I do not buy the Sun, and as I live in Scotland I will not be getting one in the post. But..
Royal Mail is a business. They have negotiated a contract to bring revenue into the business. It should not be in the gift of their delivery staff to decide whether to honour this commercial contract or not.
They may not like it, but it is not illegal, and not their choice.
The thing is; only someone who's been living in a cave wouldn't know the (well-founded) animosity to the Sun in Merseyside. And the reaction to staff being asked to be involved in promoting it is entirely predictable.
It rouses such intense feelings that this was absolutely bound to cause the reaction it did. Any management who had a clue would have seen it coming a mile off. Therefore its as much to do with bad management, as it is to do with bolshy employees.
These people have clearly decided, on a matter of principle, that theres a line in the sand they won't cross. In this case being involved in actively involved in promoting a publication they rightfully despise.
How would you feel promoting an organisation that had labelled your friends or family (completely dishonestly) as drunken thugs who only had themselves to blame for their own deaths? You'd be happy with that, would you? And just get on with it, thinking "oh well… its a commercial contract negotiated by my employer, so I best be on my way"
Any management who had a clue would have seen it coming a mile off
hence the reason why the contract with The Sun excludes delivery to all Liverpool postcodes. The argument here is around the fringe scouse areas.
Just post it back into a postbox. If everyone does that, its going to be a right PITA
That's exactly where mine will be going.
I'm tempted to start doing the same with all the junk mail that RM post through my door every day.
notmyrealname - thats what we do. We've a postbox just outside our house. All the crap that gets delivered gets popped straight back in the post
RM would go bust if it were not for all that junk. Ho hum.
Source: Employee I know well.
These people have clearly decided, on a matter of principle, that theres a line in the sand they won't cross. In this case being involved in actively involved in promoting a publication they rightfully despise
These people are idiots.
Do you think TNT, DPD or any of the other postal companies would put up with this! Its childish and unprofessional and can't help with Royal Mail's already poor reputation.
You may not like the Sun but a contract has to be honoured.
To my mind having principled staff who refuse to sell out their beliefs and dump unwanted and offensive junk where they know it may cause upset, enhances the Royal Mail's reputation.
The issue has arisen because the Sun are more than aware that scousers wouldn't want a copy of the sun through the door - so they've made it their strategy not to deliver them in 'Merseyside'. However Merseyside has quite a wiggly border so places like Skelmersdale are outside of that border whilst still being very close to Liverpool
Nothing illegal or immoral here so do your job. Shame they can't bring in temporary workers to do it for them when they have an unpaid day off.
So.... the Sun doesnt sell well in Liverpool/Skelm?
True. People with principles about having their relatives and friends slandered to sell a few papers, are all idiots, clearly.
I can't see the problem with it either. Oversensitive bastards eh?
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I think any company in Merseyside taking on a contract to deliver the Sun would face exactly the same issues. If you don't realise that, then you clearly don't understand the depth of feeling in the ares
Shame they can't bring in temporary workers to do it for them when they have an unpaid day off.
Of course they can. Strike breaking with scab labour is perfectly legal.
So.... the Sun doesnt sell well in Liverpool/Skelm?
Other groundbreaking news includes water is wet, the earth is not flat and your frames are too small.
o my mind having principled staff who refuse to sell out their beliefs and dump unwanted and offensive junk where they know it may cause upset, enhances the Royal Mail's reputation.
Would you still think that if you were the paying customer who had entered into a contract for RM to deliver your product to every address? What about if they refused to deliver letters from a church as they were athiests, or invoices from a butcher as they were vegetarians blah blah...
The Sun is more than aware how it is received in Merseyside. I think personally the whole idea of delivering it to them, whether they want it or not, is fairly typical of Murdochs empire. Utterly insensitive, and actually pretty bloody provocative!!
Your analogy is, quite frankly, complete bollocks! This isn't about some airy-fairy beliefs system. Its about the vile behaviour of deliberately fabricating stories to give an absolutely appalling impression that the people who lost their lives at Hillsborough pretty much deserved what they got!
And if you can't understand the depth of feeling that provokes, then you're an utterly insensitive idiot too
Binners the anology is spot on.
Berate the Sun for being insensitive, sending out mass unsolicited mail and exercising poor judgement.
Don't however defend people who are refusing to do their job that they are paid for. We all have to do things from time to time that makes us uncomfortable but we get on with it - its called being proffesional.
Theres not much point arguing this any further. You're clearly unfamiliar the concept of having principles that extend further than commercial contracts.
You're clearly unfamiliar the concept of having principles.
Maybe. I am however familiar with the principle of being accountable to shareholders and doing the job that I am paid to do.
Your missing the point. Maintaining professionalism means keeping your principles out of work (like being vegetarion and working in MacDonalds). If you don't like what your being asked to do you should get a different job.
I really don't see it as unreasonable?
Don't however defend people who are refusing to do their job that they are paid for. We all have to do things from time to time that makes us uncomfortable but we get on with it - its called being proffesional.
No it's called thinking that a monetary contract is more important than your principles.
We all have to do things from time to time that makes us uncomfortable but we get on with it - its called being proffesional.
You are getting close to a Nuremberg defence there.
Are you saying that they have to do anything they are asked to by their bosses and any refusal is unreasonable or just this one is unreasonable?
The Sun still to this day struggles with moral dilemmas. On Saturday all the other papers focused their front pages on the previous day's 70th anniversary of the D Day Landings.
The Sun however, which claims to pride itself on supporting "Our Boys", chose instead to focus its front page on who Mick Jagger is allegedly shagging.
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its called being [b]proffesional.[/b]
Oh the ironing!! 😀
I'm with Binners on this. Some of you lot don't know what principles are. In the words of Jim Royle "Deliver the ****ing Sun in Liverpool? My arse..."
Junkyard - Uncomfortable does not equate to illegal.
imnotverygood - My contract is my word. That is more important as far as I am concerned.
and Ernie - I'm not defending the Sun, its full of crap. That doesn't mean I would refuse to carry out my job. Sure in that situation I would'nt feel comfortable but it comes with the job.
If I get one, I'm going to wipe my arse on it first, then put it in the postbox.
I am however familiar with the principle of being accountable to shareholders and doing the job that I am paid to do.
Good for you. If theres one principle worth upholding in life then its being accountable to shareholders.
and Ernie - I'm not defending the Sun, its full of crap. That doesn't mean I would refuse to carry out my job. Sure in that situation I would'nt feel comfortable but it comes with the job.
Eh? Are you confusing me with another poster ? I haven't made any comment about you defending the Sun.
Def also with binners - can't believe some of the shite Frodo is spouting. My contract is my word and more important that your principles?? I'm glad you're such a morally upstanding citizen 🙄
My copy also going back in the post box, along with any other I can lay my hands on.
Frodo, I suggest you have a quick look back thorough history at people who felt that because they had given their word, they were obliged to do whatever someone else told them to do. It really isn't a principle that you should value above all others
Those posties outside the Liverpool area must be quite an unprincipled lot.
Looks like the 12th will be "gaffer tape on the letter box day".
"Those posties outside the Liverpool area must be quite an unprincipled lot" why are they going to find people for whom Hilsbourgh still has a huge personal meaning and thrust The Sun on them?
Actually doing what you are told because you are paid to do it is the very opposite of the meaning of professional.
Seems likely.
What should I do if I like the Sun, but my postman is a racist BNP member. Help me STW!
Actually doing what you are told because you are paid to do it is the very opposite of the meaning of professional.
I'd say its the very definition of unquestioning idiocy
not been living in a cave but had forgotten about the sun/hillsborough thing.The thing is; only someone who's been living in a cave wouldn't know the (well-founded) animosity to the Sun in Merseyside
But then again I'm always forgetting which of my mates has slept with whose girlfriend (in the past, most are happily married now) and occasionally cause offence when I inadvertently talk about someone/something I shouldn't to someone I shouldn't.
So if it's an illegal strike/not doing a particular bit of work, are RM [i]allowed[/i] to discipline staff for it? and also in these slightly more enlightened times [i]would[/i] they?
Thanks to all those saying they will put it back in the post box. Its enough that we have to deliver the bloody things please dont make us collect them too. Its not going to make one jot of difference to royal mail but to us posties its a pain in the arse. Just put them in the recycling along with any of the other junk you get. Then get onto customer service and take yourselves off the list for receiving un-addressed items this should then stop you getting as much crap, also if you feel that strongly again get onto customer service and complain. The majority of us posties are just trying to do a good job in the face of general public scorn.
Would you still think that if you were the paying customer who had entered into a contract for RM to deliver your product to every address?
No, I wouldn't but then I wouldn't have anything to do with the publication of the sheer garbage that the sun posted about Hillsborough and neither would most normal people. This isn't about the normal day to day racist misogynistic bullshit that that feeble excuse for a newspaper dreams up, it's about one particular episode that any person with any sense of decency and morality about themselves should protest about. Maybe if principles had been a bit more evident in Murdoch's empire, that particular edition would never have seen the light of day, but it did so claiming any form of moral high ground claiming morals otr principles is disingenuous to the extreme.
So well done posties, this enhances their reputation but does nothing for that of the piss poor management regime
Anyone who criticises the posties for taking this action would be well-advised not to go anywhere near Liverpool and make comments like that in public - and if you're not prepared to do that then maybe best not do it from behind a keyboard either. There are some things which just aren't appropriate to be criticising.
You might want to take your lead from the Royal Mail
A Royal Mail spokesman said: "Any concerns about this delivery in Skelmersdale will be handled sensitively with fairness, dignity and fully respecting the views of individuals."
In case you need reminding:
Ninety-six men, women and children died as a result of the Hillsborough Disaster on 15 April 1989. It remains the most serious tragedy in UK sporting history. Thousands suffered physical injury and/or long-term psychological harm.
[url= http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/ ]Government Enquiry[/url]
Always knew Binners was a secret Scouser..
For the rest of you-is there anything that you are not outraged by?
Brooess+1
The following is a statement from Royal Mail workers at the Skelmersdale Post Office Depot….
“Next Thursday and Friday the Sun plan to send through Royal Mail 22,000,000 copies of a World Cup issue of the Sun.
Liverpool, Warrington, and some CH postcodes are exempt from this. However, as it stands the staff at Skelmersdale are being told we will have to deliver them.
With the backing of the CWU, this morning we informed them that if any copies of the Sun cross the gates, we will walk out
We have been urging people to voice their concerns about this by ringing customer services. Any support would be gratefully appreciated, let’s stop 60,000 copies of that shite from coming out.“
[u]The customer services number is 03457740740[/u]
Please share this number far and wide, give it a call, show solidarity with the posties, and let the bosses know you don’t want the Sun pushing through your door!
JFT96
[b]So that's 03457740740[/b]
Your constant attempts to get a reaction and play dumb/fail the Turing test dont outrage anyone but many of us pity the disparity between the internet Hora and the real world Hora.
The actions of the Sun that day were utterly unforgivable, what they did, to a grieving city, was beyond despicable.
Anyone with morals would view it as such and understand
My family are all scousers, no point being surprised by this is there. Sun is immoral crap owned by an evil amnesiac Jeffrey Archer cliche. Royal Mail are a private company whose bottom line is sacrosanct. Principles can go hang. Just put it in the bin and file as another part of life that makes you want to get off.
Quite impressed that the CWU have gone up against the Sun, even if it is limited to Skelmersdale.
Elsewhre it's a daft idea - they should have just reduced it to 10p or had people giving it away on the street.
Frodo - Member
We all have to do things from time to time that makes us uncomfortable but we get on with it - its called being proffesional.
It's called being a spineless little sh1thouse round our way mate 😉
I wonder which bright spark in the Marketing dept dreamt this one up then?
As a promotional campaign, its been really successful. Reminding everyone, as if we needed reminding, what a truly vile, poisonous and squalid little publication it really is.
They literally can't give it away
Would have thought the outraged people will be stopping their Sky subscriptions to seeing that its part of the Murdoch empire!
Its a pain in the ass delivering door 2 doors and papers but it keeps the price of a stamp down for parcels and letters giving the public a cheaper service 😉
.....their Sky subscriptions to seeing that its part of the Murdoch empire!
Was the rest of the Murdoch empire following a simular line over Hillsborough as the Sun ? Did the Times make the same accusations ? I didn't think they did.
They literally can't give it away
Unfortunately they can and they will, by the millions. They also sell millions, just not on merseyside. And unfortunately people will still read it many will not question the tone or content.
Liking all the posters who stick their junk mail back in the post box, all that does is cause probs for the poor sods that handle it. A quick call to your local delivery office will get the nice manager to stop it for you. Everyone is happy.
And you really think if RM didn't do it nobody else will?
Heard the 6 workers where present at the game is this confirmed.
Lots of numbers fr royal mail fail on directiory inquires to make your point of view known, and as others have said shove it back in the box,because if the workers deliver it, then they should also collect it, thats what they get paid for do they .
Rather than just shoving it back in a postbox, why not simply put it in a plain envelope with the minimum postage required, and send it back to News International HQ? That way, the RM will gain extra revenue (satisfying those important shareholders), lots of postal workers will get some extra overtime (which of course they can choose to do), and NI has to deal with the headache of all that extra post. They may even have to employ some temporary workers to help, which will benefit those individuals and help ease the local unemployment situation temporarily.
That way, no-one loses out but NI.
As for those protesting that the postal workers should 'just follow orders without question'; I, personally, am glad there are still people out there who are principled enough to recognise that sometimes, ethics and morality are more important than money.
