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Regardless of which way the vote goes . . . .
List your disappointments here 🙂
Boris
Gove
Farrage
Such huge disappointments.. all 3.
Whatever happens, I'm not surprised, but still disappointed about how the campaigns were conducted. They may as well have lined up on opposite side of the playground and shouted 'BUNDLE'
Roy Hodgson
I can't believe that Farage, the rabid right wing press and the headbangers on the Tory backbenches have skewed the political debate in such a nasty small-minded direction that we are in this ridiculous position in the first place.
Whichever way you look at it, this country has looked like a thoroughly horrible place
I'm disappointed the referendum is being held at all.
Whatever happens, Goldman Sachs will make more money.
I happen to think they (more so the Remain side) have all exceeded expectations; we assumed they were liars could not be trusted, and they have all done their best to show this to be 100% correct.
I honestly don't see how they can regain the publics respect and trust again.
Farage doesn't do the decent thing with a bottle of scotch and a pistol in his office when he loses - his followers love that romantic bullshit.
Having to straighten my own bananas 🙄
I still can't believe that some people can't see straight through Boris's 'charm'
People have already been told what their excuse will be:
"I was disillusioned with mainstream politics"
People just can't quite remember who it was that told them that was what their excuse would be though.
Boris, Gove and Farage to be found as an upset human centipede in the back of the leave bus
(go on get that mental image out of your heads)
"I was disillusioned with mainstream politics"
But can't be arsed to do something about it (Facebook is not something)
Remain - constant blame the eu for every bad thing from now on, ie euro snow, euro rain, euro made my milk go off and I didn't check before it fell onto my cornflakes in chunks.
Leave - it will get better tomorrow (repeat as required)
"Whatever happens, I'm not surprised, but still disappointed about how the campaigns were conducted. They may as well have lined up on opposite side of the playground and shouted 'BUNDLE'"
This. What would have been wrong with a PDF with uncontested facts, and appendices for contested facts. The two sides can do all their squabbling in private as they compile it.
If you have a decision to make at work you don't split yourself into two braying groups arguing each case and straw manning the others argument.
The disappointment that this referendum has, for the next 20 years, given all politicians the means to say
"Oh well we would / could have done X for you if only you'd voted Leave/Remain but as you voted Remain/Leave, we can't now do that"
Playing a long term blame game within their own party and with the whole country. 🙁
Finding out what Brussels has been holding back on for after the referendum. Seeing politicians (both sides) pretending it was all run fairly, honestly & pretending that they all get on.
Well one good thing is that if the UK votes to remain, we hopefully see the end of Boris and Gove and if, stupidly, "we" vote to leave we see the end of Cameron. It's all I've got as a silver lining if we leave mind you.
As above though, the UK has never looked more ****ing stupid as the last few months of unrelenting bullshit and panic peddling
If Leave wins, once they start building "a hospital a week with the 350 million they are saving" everyone will be happy. Particularly sick people.
Well one good thing is that if the UK votes to remain, we hopefully see the end of Boris and Gove
Mt worst fear on Remain is it will just galvanise the UKIP/booted Tories into a wrecking ball party hell bent on destroying the EU from the inside.
The tower is the only place for them
France and Germany leave when we chose Remain
no matter what happens we will still be in a recession for two years
Nigel Farage becomes an MEP
Nigel Farage becomes an MEP
Did I miss something? He IS an MEP
The smug look on Juncker's face when he thinks 52% for Remaon is a compelling mandate for more of the same, or worse, the starting pistol in a "let's stick it to perfidious Albion" spite-athon.
the absolute real reason for todays referendum is so that we dont have to listen to or look at farage ever again..
the starting pistol in a "let's stick it to perfidious Albion" spite-athon.
So what, the UK gets to spend months having a "let's stick it to the dirty foreigners" spite-athon but when this ends and if the UK decides to leave the EU, the EU should somehow say "Yep, go on, pick all the bits you want from the EU and discard the rest"? Bullshit. I agree with the sentiment in Europe of "Out is out". If the UK votes to leave, nothing is guaranteed until the negotiations are completed.
Somebody posted a link to the process for leaving, once we drop the bomb so to speak we have 2 years to negotiate our out terms with the EU, they have to agree to our terms (about 20/28 members) if no agreement happens before the buzzer we are out, down to the WTO trade deals etc. the UK is not the one with the power in that situation. It won't be spite but the EU will do what is best for it's members. Exactly what it should be doing.
I think the general rule is you negotiate from a position of power and in this dynamic the one holding the cards is the EU. Currently we import slightly more from the EU than we export to the EU but the UK is a single country where as the EU is, well, the EU. No country in the EU is dependent on the UK in the way the UK is on the EU.
What would have been wrong with a PDF with uncontested facts, and appendices for contested facts?
We're dealing with politicians here!
Xenophobia (and racism) lie so close to the surface of modern society
Truly sad and to those who exploit it - shameful.
BTW, am I alone in finding Gove saying people are fed up of the elite more than a little funny. Okay, he started in a state school but got a scholarship to a decent public school then went to Oxford where he was president of the union. He's hardly a working class hero.
At what point does one transfer class? Is it like first communion? Or the third whitsun after your public hair starts growing?
Does it go both ways? I'm thinking Hillary Benn can only be one small declaration away from being a northern coal miner
Never forget what Gove did to education...
I wouldn't p on him if he was on fire.
At what point does one transfer class? Is it like first communion? Or the third whitsun after your public hair starts growing?
Would you argue he's a champion for the working class?
Would you argue he's a champion for the working class?
Is he claiming to be?
At what point does one transfer class?
No transfer up is available, just ask the working class of stw in their 5 series and paid off houses 😉
[quote=atlaz ]if, stupidly, "we" vote to leave we see the end of Cameron. It's all I've got as a silver lining if we leave mind you.
To be replaced by Boris or Teresa. Do you need some silver polish? On the plus side, Gove is only being touted as a deputy PM.
[quote=atlaz ]
the starting pistol in a "let's stick it to perfidious Albion" spite-athon.
So what, the UK gets to spend months having a "let's stick it to the dirty foreigners" spite-athon but when this ends and if the UK decides to leave the EU, the EU should somehow say "Yep, go on, pick all the bits you want from the EU and discard the rest"? Bullshit. I agree with the sentiment in Europe of "Out is out". If the UK votes to leave, nothing is guaranteed until the negotiations are completed.
You seem to have missed Stoner's point, that Juncker might decide to shaft us if we vote to stay.
Though regarding the negotiating if we choose to leave, I don't believe it is in the interests of the EU to shaft us - sure we might be smaller than the EU, but it would be a massive hit on the German economy if trade with us was made more difficult. Already there has been quite a lot of comment coming from Germany that they'd want to retain the trading arrangements we currently have (or something very similar). Juncker might want to give us a kick, but at the end of the day he'll be doing what the country bankrolling his little scheme tells him to.
It has only just started…
[b]Remain: [/b]the currently ruling party, with a slim majority, is utterly divided and will struggle to govern.
[b]Leave: [/b]discussion begins on what the hell happens next, with no clear idea about whether the vote means we join EEA or properly go it alone trade wise.
Either way, more and more political and economic uncertainty. On balance, worse after a Leave vote, but either way, things aren't just resolved by magic Friday morning.
atlaz » if, stupidly, "we" vote to leave we see the end of Cameron. It's all I've got as a silver lining if we leave mind you.
If you saw a giant mouse trap would your thoughts be mmm cheese...
Narrow win for Remain - The issue is now settled and the plebs have no need of another vote, even if they were lied to, for the rest of eternity.
Narrow win for leave - It wasn't decisive enough for us to properly leave, lets have some small concessions, a lot more bullying and fear and another vote or two ( until the plebs vote as they are told to )
And I'm sure it will be narrow - so really the UK is buggered whatever happens.
This may go down as the biggest con in history.
If remain win, get ready for a shafting from the eu.
If leave win,shift your investments into dollar denominated investments
[quote=aracer ]
To be replaced by Boris or Teresa. Do you need some silver polish? On the plus side, Gove is only being touted as a deputy PM.
I had the horrible realisation last night of a post apocalyptic future with President Trump and Prime Minister Johnson
Terrifying!
I had the horrible realisation last night of a post apocalyptic future with President Trump and Prime Minister JohnsonTerrifying!
Wouldn't worry. If the two of them ever get in the same room then their respective haircuts will generate enough static electricity to induce cardiac arrest in evey living thing in a 50 yard radius.
Problem solved.
Seems like the first "biggy" has come out . . .
"People who voted "Out" on the basis of us stopping immigration and giving £350million a week to the NHS we're mistaken . . . . "