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Puppy has the squits which the vet thinks may be worms, I gave him a worming tablet yesterday. He's on chicken and rice but I'm not sure I'm giving him enough. He's still on three meals a day at nearly 19 weeks and 9kg and is a working cocker. He normally gets around 300g total a day of his bakers puppy dry food. Because he's been squity I've been giving him 100/150g rice (cooked weight) and 60g plain chicken breast per meal so about 350g rice and 180g chicken in total but he seems really hungry and is jumping up to get stuff which he doesn't usually do. I don't want to give him too much so that his tummy gets time to recover but similarly, he's full of energy so I don't want to starve the poor little thing! Any advice?
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That's his super tired face, he'd been in the pub getting far too much attention all evening.
Typical Cocker... Going for the "please love me" look!
I would say that you are feeding him about the right amount and probably not to bother upping the feed level. If the worming tablet has worked _and_ he's had the squits, it could just be he's got his appetite back. Mine (another Cocker) gets that way sometimes. Even though he's not short of food, he complains and jumps for his food when it's being made.
Lovely pup by the way. Good choice.
We had our Working Cocker on cheap tesco canned puppy food mixed with skinners puppy food at the weight allowance as yours at the same age. This was the same food the breeder was feeding him, and then kept him on Skinners field trial range, changing as he got older (he prefers the meusli!) Ours had the squits and we wormed him, the squits at the same age, and because of the worming tablet they got worse, but all we did was take him off the biscuit and give him the canned food. It may take a few days to get him back to normal..
Ours was so skinny, so we have doubled the reccomedned dosage by bodyweight and he is much better, still a bit skinny but he never stops!
The vet did say that the worming dose that they gave him may have been a bit strong, he was at the bottom end of the weight range on the packet. They also said dont worm him as often as the packet recommends as this may be too much for him. He now gets wormed every 4 months and has been fine.
The breeder and the vet both said to stay away from any of the Bakers dog food though, other breeders and owners have said the same...
Chudleighs or Wellbeloved for our two. Ted (Springer) prefers, well, anything truth be told, but he gets the muesli-type Chudleighs Original. Their trainer uses the James Wellbeloved range for his dogs. Ralph (our Cocker) has about 50/50 Chudleighs and wet feed, because he is picky.
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Our little lad is 11 weeks this Sunday. Came with the squits too. Breeder had been feeding him adult greyhound food. Some kind of hokey talk about it bringing them on better than puppy food.
We put him on James Wellbeloved fish based puppy kibble and a pro biotic called pro-kolin. He's getting more normal now, but is a trumpy little blighter.
Here he is giving me the spaniel eyes (he wanted my reverb manual, that I happened to be reading).
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Thanks chaps. Just took him for a walk and he's still squitty. He did a slightly solid poo and out came some cardboard box, you can still see the writing on it! I'll keep him on the same amount then chicken/rice wise until Sunday. If he's no better I'm going to take him to the vet. He can't be suffering too much as he's bright as a button in himself. He's also changed massively over this last two weeks personality wise. I've been recommended Chudleighs by someone else with cockers, I hadn't realised what a load of rubbish Bakers seems to be so as soon as this latest bag is gone I'll change him over.
Science he's gorgeous!
Very pretty... loving having a dog ourselves. Best thing we did (except for have kids)
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Our dog used to eat bakers and was fine, then all of a sudden got the squits and went off food. Gave chicken and rice, then back on bakers and she got the squits and went off food again.
Changed food and she's all good.
Can't quite remember, but we were told bakers has derivatives in it (eg, meat derivative - though may not be a meat one) and this means they can change the recipe without changing the contents label. It's possible that this may have happened.
My Lily is 9mths and just coming out of her first season. She's gone from slowly eating her food, to not eating for about a week, to wolfing down, to normal over the past 3 weeks. I've had her on Wainwrights and raw tripe/chicken. She gets the squits every now and then, usually after raiding the bin for something. The litter were on James Wellbeloved but all had horrendous squits from it and the breeder changed to Wainwrights and they firmed up instantly. Perhaps try him on a different food, it may do the same.
Bad wind was, with my Springer anyway, a sign that he was having too much protein in his diet. That's not a bad thing for a puppy as they need it for growth, but we went down to something that had a lower protein content when we could.
I'd like to say that it worked, but he has been farting like a trooper over Christmas and some of them have been room clearers.
ScienceOfficer, lovely looking dog you have there too. That look must be a Cocker thing.
Oh, those Spaniel eyes. They know how to get what they want!!!
We've a Working Cocker and have found when we put him on rice (mixed with a small portion of his kibble) when he has the squits, it can take a few days to clear. We also keep him on the rice for a day or 2 once they clear up to make sure he's nice and solid.
I would say based on the weights you quote he's on about the right amount, you do want to cut it down a bit when they have dodgy tummies, so as not to make it worse.
I wouldn't overly worry, if he's acting normally (well as normal as a cocker can be), eating and drinking about the same as normal, give it a few days.
Ours always gets hungry when he has the squits, he's been clearing his system, so is bound to be more empty and hungry.
I would change from Bakers though. We feed ours Orijen, but go with the best food you can. As a rule of thumb make sure the first 2 or 3 ingredients are meat and there is no grain.
when mine have bad stomachs, I just put them on boiled rice with some chappie (as recommended by my vet) seems to work well.
I wouldn't bother with bakers, as its not great tbh; and I would avoid some working dog foods as it has a lot of protein in it which will make your dog a bit hyper to say the least.
I should add that we went through a phase where Florence had the squits for about 2 weeks - changed her food from wet and dry to just dry and it sorted it out.
Might not be related but thought I'd mention it.
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Emma, science, those pups are gorgeous!
George at the same age, he's a bit bigger now!
another cocker here, fed wainwrights & Butchers tripe mix. occasioanlly gets a dodgy tummy so rice and checken for a day or so. when we first had him he was bad a LOT of the time and was back and forward to the V>E>Ts who gave him Canicur to settle the gut.
had to experiment with several types of food before we got one that:
A) he would eat
and
B) didn't upset him.
Off Bakers it is then. I have a massive blummin bag to get through though that's the only trouble. I'll give him the weekend on chicken/rice and buy something else then maybe mix the bakers in with it until it's all gone. There are some very cute pups around, Cockers seem particularly susceptible to cuteness!
We had the same problems... our vet gave us some promax (i think) for our lilly and that sorted things really quickly....
edit.... jut checked and it was promax. Can be got online just google promax for dogs
all the hounds in this thread look awesome!
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thats the landscape gardening look!
{blatant picture whoring time}
from this:
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to this:
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in 18 months....
(he's got all the cutes IMO)
If you got the sack of food from Pets at Home or somewhere, they will happily trade an opened bag in. You could always donate to local kennels too.
Oh if we're doing pics.
From this:
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To this, just turned 2 in December
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Mad as a box of frogs, but wouldn't change him, never fails to do something crazy and make me smile. 😀
Our cocker had the same thing as a pup. To the chicken and rice diet you can add some toasted brown bread (nice and crunchy) and chopped boiled egg.
worked well for us and now Jas is obsessed with rice toast and egg 😀
Once she was fixed she went onto James Welbeloved food [and toast/egg/etc. !!)
ohhhh Nero, I love the fluffy bit on top of his head. Ours is just starting to get that.
Broken I got the bag from a local supplier, I doubt they'll take it back, it was blummin expensive too but you live and learn I suppose. I'll see if someone else wants it maybe.
Our dog Benny is a Tibetan Terrier/Cocker Spaniel cross. He was already about two years old when we got him (he was a rescue dog), but he was a bit squirty when we got him. At first he wouldn't eat (we made the mistake of trying him on Bakers, which made him worse), eventually he settled down on Royal Canin and All-Bran. He still gets a bit squirty if there's a change of surroundings or diet (such as visiting the in-laws where they give him chips).
Those pup pictures would be more accurate if you put some prisoner id numbers along the bottom!
Gorgeous dogs, you lucky people. 😀 Please feed them proper food and not that dry muck.
Emma - hope's the little one is better soon, definitely worth trying to reduce his food a wee bit until bowels are sorted.
Gorgeous dogs, you lucky people. Please feed them proper food and not that dry muck.
I'm intrigued by what you define as proper food? I wouldn't class Orijen our boy gets as dry muck. It's 80% meat and 20% veg.
Basil that's his pen, he likes it I there!
If there is any chance that your vet thinks this could be Parvo, PLEASE get them checked asap - we lost 2 pups at 10 weeks due to the horrible virus, even though they had been vaccinated 🙁
Some lovely looking dogs here.
ohalrightthen:
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I don't think it's parvo Artist, he wasn't taken outside of the house/our garden until he'd had his jabs. Horrible thing to loose a pup to though. He was only sick once, is drinking and eating and he seems to have started to 'firm up' a bit now although not completely and his poops seem to be various different colours, even within the one poop! Another day on the chicken and rice and I think he'll be good as new.
Del that dog is gorgeous!
Couldn't resist a post of Jenna when she was a pup (lab springer cross)
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or maybe two
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A springerdor! Or Labraspring?
look forward to seeing what that cross looks like when grown!
don't be taken in Emma. She's a killer. Have you soon as look at you. 😉
I want a puppy 🙁
Can I have a puppy?
Puppies are ace. Mine is awesome. Today we have been learning fetch, return, drop at feet, wait then fetch when commanded. He is frigging awesome. **proud mum moment**
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Ahsoka. She's now a bit bigger and a LOT heavier.
Our other Staffie, Chewie had terrible squits to start with eventually ending up on hypoallergenic expensive food after being found to be allergic to food storage mite. He'd keep getting flare ups so about 3 months ago both of them went on the RAW diet (vet recommended it), which is pretty gross but since then both have had good quality poo's and Chewie's coat has developed a glossiness it never had.
Chewie emergency cooling last summer:
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I love staffies. We nearly got one but other half may train this un to gun if he goes off shooting. Staffies
Are lurverly 🙂
More Staffie pics then:
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he'd been in the pub getting far too much attention all evening
Probably hung over 😉
On a more serious note, any changes to diet are supposed to be introduced slowly. Switching to a 'BRAT' type diet to appease a dodgy tummy is likely as much to blame as the original cause surely? We made that mistake a few times.
Not that we feed our dog a BARF diet, but we get as close as we can afford to with her Biologically Appropriate dry food.. and stick to grain free (like the above mentioned Orijen is)
Any dog food that looks like a McDonalds take out, probably isn't the best choice you can make and likely lists grains as primary ingrediants then meat meal as opposed to having real meat based ingredients first.
This wesite below was a great resource for us when choosing dog food, along with specialist pet store advice from stores that dont and wont stock Purina type kibble..
I appreciate theres likely a significant cost implication with higher grade foods, however, often serving suggestions on teh pack reveal that far less high grade kibble is required to feed your dog, so a bag that requires 1/2 the serving size and is twice as expensive, effectively costs the same.
[url= http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/showproduct.php?product=1842&cat=all ]6* rated Orijen Puppy - as I assume its available in the UK if already posted[/url]
[url= http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/showproduct.php?product=1842&cat=all ]1* rated NA equivalent of Nestle Purina puppy food[/url]
Dogs are often sensitive to certain things too. We tried a slow transition to Orijen 6 fish, but our mutt couldn't deal with it and she had the squits and unsettled stomach. Heavily fish loaded foods are a no go for her and we've settled on a mix of 2 grain free biologically appropriate kibbles (Now and Acana) as we couldn't justify the cost of the very highly rated Orijen products.
One more site: [url= http://www.whichdogfood.co.uk/the-dog-food-directory ]UK food review[/url]
Good luck! Nice looking puppy, hope hes better soon.
So, had a good poop last night so we tried some normal food with chicken for. Breakfast, squirty again. Put a bit of normal food with rice for lunch and he vomited. I'm guessing he's not a fan of bakers. What to move him on to or just to stick to chicken/rice for now?
They are dogs for gods sake, they will eat anything! 🙂
You're right they will eat anything but when that anything starts ending up on your carpet 10 minutes after being eaten it makes it a little less easy to just say 'they'll eat anything'. Hope you don own a dog with that attitude!
I just wonder how dogs went on 30 years ago when all that was available was chum and dog bisquits
Well, we all need something to wonder about I suppose
Emma, seriously try toasted brown bread and boiled egg (with the chicken/rice). Don't rush it - it could take a while to get better. Stay well clear of Bakers - its made with stuff that banned in the EU for links to cancer!
Emma - we call her a Springador, but I quite like the term Labradinger! Or mongrel.
Del - fully grown pics for you - she's just basically like a small labrador
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and, a bit dark, but her playing 'leave it' with a little treat.
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One of our Springers used to have a bad stomach all the time as a pup. We put her on Arden Grange food and she has been fine since then. The vet recommended a fish flavour as it is gentler on their stomach than the meat ones so she is on the Salmon variety. Bakers is definately a food to avoid.
Not even reading the words, just enjoying the dog pictures.
Thanks chaps. Off to find something else to feed after work tomorrow, no more bakers.
Chubby she's cute. I've seen photos of them come out basically a Labrador but really curly ears 🙂
Bakers is like giving your dog McD's. Utter Sh!te.