[Closed] Poor snowflakes getting insufficient white male privilege

How can you discriminate against someone who's membership of an organisation is a secret?

Do they pay subscription to access STW ?

In b4 Jordan Peterson video posted to reassure all the insecure blokes that their existential crisis are due to the evil conspiracy of cultural Marxists that definitely exist at universities they never attended and force them into the emasculating position of having to call someone by their preferred title.

>Do they pay subscription to access STW ?

I think they own it, or is that the Illuminati?

"We don't discriminate" "well yeah the women only lodges but they have a lodge don't they"

and best of all

"handshake used by members during ceremonies is "not secret" but, when he was asked to demonstrate it to viewers of BBC Breakfast, he declined, saying he had "promised" not to."

Not sure how I feel about this.

I know a few Freemasons and I've been asked if I'd be interested in being involved myself before (I politely declined).  They do a LOT of charity work and they use the money they raise to do it, so they're not taking it from the public purse, or people on the street.

Prior to WW2, they were proud and very open about their membership, but old Uncky Adolph had a thing about them,wanted to round them up and stick them in his work brings you joy affairs, which wouldn't be pleasant from what history tells us.

That's when they went cloak and dagger about membership, and retained it post war for whatever reason.

They're just a boys club, fraternity type thing though.  They're harmless in my experience with them, the fact folks think them sinister and part of a massive plot is laughable.

Is the real issue if they are 'discriminated' against, or if that discrimination has any negative effect? Doesn't seem to holding most of them back.....

They’re harmless in my experience with them, the fact folks think them sinister and part of a massive plot is laughable.

But surely that comes part and parcel with being a secret organisation, doesn't it? If they opened up, they might find people's attitudes towards them shifted slightly.

Are they really as open to membership as they claim?

Are they really as open to membership as they claim?

they are desperately short of members, I've seen them in the local high street with a stall trying to get people to join!

Their only restrictions on membership are listed on their websites.  There's even a contact form if you want to join.

Basically you need to be a man (OK, I know that's a bit crappy in this day and age), with a belief in a higher being, what that is can be whatever, and be a decent person, unlikely to screw folks over for your own gain.

Their whole ethos is to make a person the best person they can be, to be selfless and to strive to help others where you can.

As I said, I'm not one, never have been, never been inclined to become one, but if I did have those thoughts, I'd have no doubt that I'd be accepted into their ranks, simply by contacting my local lodge and talking to them about what's expected of me by doing so.

<span style="font-size: 12.8px;">Are they really as open to membership as they claim?</span>

Just tell them you want to join but you have to be Catholic and see what they say.

<span style="font-size: 12.8px;">They’re harmless in my experience with them,</span>

Awful bunch of self serving, middle class white men. There main purpose is to help themselves, always on about how much work they do for "charidy". Not at all harmless if you happen to be in a workplace full of them.

The whole issue only came up because they have a large presence in the police, and they were accused of using that to influence something or other.

My brother in law was a freemason and for him it was just a local shopkeepers and small businessmen's club. Apart from the raising money for charidy they also pretty good at looking after the families of members when they turn their toes up. All this is at worst harmless, but the power in the police is another matter.

 They do a LOT of charity work and they use the money they raise to do it, so they’re not taking it from the public purse, or people on the street.

I really thought we'd seen the last of "yeah, but... charity" but this follows hot on the heels of that lechy dinner the other week...

Can anyone thinking about using the "lotta good work for charidy" line just remember these two words first:

Jimmy

Savile

Crooked People In "We're Not Crooked" Claim Shocker

"wwaswas: How can you discriminate against someone who’s membership of an organisation is a secret?"

Every freemason I know tells people about it all the bloody time, what's the point of being in the elite secret squirrel club if nobody knows?

Course, there could be loads more that aren't telling me.

Vile organisation used to protect and entrench privilege and power.  Of course there is fig leaves in various ways such as the charity work and allowing plebs to join but its upper levels are all about entrenching privilege and using their power to protect their members

Just tell them you want to join but you have to be Catholic and see what they say.

Was going to mention that, round here one Lodge is as good as another.

<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px; background-color: #eeeeee;">Are they really as open to membership as they claim?</span>

My old neighbour joined. Farm hand/tractor driver on the local farm. As down to earth as they come, usually smelled of cows and certainly not middle class/entitled/afflicted or anything else.

He was very open about what they did and what was involved and answered all questions.

<span style="font-size: 12.8px;">Also got a few friends who are masons as well as an Uncle.</span>

I don't get it and I think walking around with an apron on and believing in a higher being is odd but from what I have been told. They are ok and do a lot for charity which they seem to get a kick from. it;s not cheap to be a member but like any hobby, if you enjoy it...

i was always under the impression from my scottish relatives that it was indeed just an excuse for a bit of sectarianism

Aren't most things an excuse for sectarianism in certain parts of Scotland?

Pretty much, yeah. It's probably as well "we" spend so much time fighting each other otherwise we'd be making problems for other people. SIlver linings and all that.

>and best of all

>“handshake used by members during ceremonies is “not secret” but, when he was asked to >demonstrate it to viewers of BBC Breakfast, he declined, saying he had “promised” not >to.”

Bit of perspective - he made a promise not to when he joined the club and
keeping that promise is quite important to him whatever anybody else thinks.

tjagain
Member
Vile organisation used to protect and entrench privilege and power. Of course there is fig leaves in various ways such as the charity work and allowing plebs to join but its upper levels are all about entrenching privilege and using their power to protect their members

Absolutely amazed you would take this point of view. Would have bet my house on you supporting them.

Now this may just be me but I'd have expected an article calling for the end of discrimination to contain some examples of, you know, actual discrimination against the group in question.

"Now this may just be me but I’d have expected an article calling for the end of discrimination to contain some examples of, you know, actual discrimination against the group in question."

I routinely short change them in my pub.

yeah but don't you short change everyone?

Yes.

Yes I do.

Bit of perspective – he made a promise not to when he joined the club and
keeping that promise is quite important to him whatever anybody else thinks

Sort of shoots himself in the foot though when he is arguing how open and honest and upfront they are though as it shows he is more loyal to the lodge than the truth and demonstrates how secretive they actually are.

pS you are one arent you

Any organisation that wishes to remain secretive will always be suspected of being involved in nefarious dealings. these seem to be a large white boys club to cover up for and protect each other whether right or wrong.

if Dan Brown stuck me in a book I would feel dirty and discriminated against 🙁

these seem to be a large white boys club

I expected better from you Junkyard than to join in the fat shaming.

Sort of shoots himself in the foot though when he is arguing how open and honest and upfront they are though as it shows he is more loyal to the lodge than the truth and demonstrates how secretive they actually are.

The radio interview today included him saying that using the handshake outside of their rituals is banned and you can be kicked out for it - presumably that may apply to demonstrating it, too

It being banned and promising not to show anyone it kind of goes against the claim of it not being secret....

but it's not secret???

[b]edlong[/b] wrote:

I really thought we’d seen the last of “yeah, but… charity” but this follows hot on the heels of that lechy dinner the other week…
Can anyone thinking about using the “lotta good work for charidy” line just remember these two words first:
Jimmy
Savile

See also: Livestrong

I wanted to join after watching ‘Eyes Wide Shut’ but was told that sort of thing didn’t happen in the Banbury chapter so I declined.

Apparently the film is based on the big city ones like Northampton, and that is just too much of a drive.

Also those masks don’t come cheap.

Are we allowed to step on the white squares though?

I'm with TJ - dodgy organisation at heart, trying to keep charitable tax relief and facade of 'we're nice' while refusing to open up or give up on the power and control.

😀

Only just picked up on this thread.

Putting adverts in the MSM crying “Boo-Hoo, aren’t we hard done by? Because somebody is calling out our privelidge.”

Why don’t you try NOT being a nepotistic controlling elite who pride themselves in thier duplicitous ‘benevolence’?

****ing whinging elites, eh?

If you Masons want to be trusted you may need to be pro-actively transparent. And that means whistle-blowing the covert Westminster lodges.

Hate to sound like a Masonic apologist but I'm both mixed race and Roman Catholic (albiet not a practising one, and I tend to identify as Agnostic these days).  And they knew that when they asked me.

I also think that we're getting quick to dismiss the good work they do. Granted a few people have used charity to mask nefarious deeds but I don't think the stonemasons fall under that banner.

As said, not one, never desired to become one, not really interested in wearing a pinny and having to do their little plays, and I'm capable of doing good things for folks off my own back.

But, I've never had issue with any or seen those I know hold any sort of power or influence that would concern me.

"pS you are one arent you"

Er nope , but my father is and his father was , as was his father.

I have never shown any interest in it.

I expect that will expose me to being a bad person , but really I was just trying to explain why he did not demonstrate a handshake that he had promised not to show outside the club he belongs to, they are supposed to keep their word it is part of the game.
I do not know it nor do I need to - I am sure you could google it -and I do know that its a "secret" way of greeting another mason along with a coded chat.

I do agree that all the secretive stuff makes folks suspicious etc.

And just like many other organisations they close ranks and cover up right or wrong whatever - thats life and there are bad people everywhere as well as good.

I though they were a harmless old boys club, then I witnessed them almost perverting the course of justice trying to get one of their member off getting prosecuted on one of my cases.

I now reguard them in a very different light!

I though they were a harmless old boys club, then I witnessed them almost perverting the course of justice trying to get one of their member off getting prosecuted on one of my cases.

That's kinda nice though, in this day and age. Knowing your fellow Masons have got your back. It's something that's sadly lacking in society on the whole; no one looks out for each other any more.

I've known a few Masons - the ceremony side is a bit odd, but I do know they raise a lot of money for charity. Not aware of any more dodgy "favours for mates" than I've seen in a cycle club.

Not sure they are discriminated against. But then, some of comments above suggest an irrational hatred of them, so maybe they have a point.....

Tough one for me as my Dad, who was a well loved and respected bloke and a wonderful father, was a member as were many of his pals who our family were close to. He even had a stint as master of ceremonies and when I came of age I was asked by his mate if I wanted to join. Was not for me as it just seemed like a load of old blokes sat around farting and drinking bitter. Dad died 15 years ago but someone from the lodge still goes to see mum every Christmas and Easter to check she’s ok and deliver some flowers. She never saw the point but there you go.

The flip side is that it is an open secret that many senior ranks in our fire service are members which in turn, it is believed, has led to some extremely questionable promotions being made to lower ranking lodge members. This in turn causes it’s own problems as these characters make error after error that are always swept under the carpet.

As for it being the refuge of the middle classes that’s a load of rubbish. For all their faults and all their restrictions class isn’t one of them.

My Grandmother's second husband was a mason and so was one of my uncle's. My father was asked if he wanted to join but despite respecting them he decided it wasn't for him. They were just a middle ranking civil servant a council worker and small buisness man hardly the privileged elite. Cockwomble and a couple of others have it about right. Others are just parading the chips they have on their shoulders along with the usual right on ignorance.

There is plenty of evidence of masons perverting the course of justice.  Yes the foot soldiers may be OK but the membership among politicians, judiciary and police are very worrying.  Plenty of evidence of wrongdoing over a long period of time.

want to turn a blind eye to it - up to you but to pretend it does not happen - ludicrous in the facce of the evidence

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmselect/cmhaff/467/46703.htm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/31/freemasons-blocking-reform-police-federation-leader

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/revealed-how-gangs-used-the-freemasons-to-corrupt-police-9054670.html

That’s kinda nice though, in this day and age. Knowing your fellow Masons have got your back. It’s something that’s sadly lacking in society on the whole; no one looks out for each other any more.

So obvious. So so obvious.

Less is more young David.

Don’t forget the connection with the Illuminati, the Bilderbergs, 9/11, chemtrails, Kennedy, Cthulhu and the Elder Gods...
I expect the Flat Earth Society are connected in some way as well.
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aracer (and wiggles) Subscriber

but it’s not secret???

Correct; it's private, not secret

He acknowledged that they have handshakes, so it's not a secret.  Declining to demonstrate it is mere detail

Why would you want to know - can the mechanics of the thing actually matter to people ?

Whats the fuss? They seem harmless enough although perhaps not brightest bunch. They only have to pass a third degree after all.

if you have a problem you can always lodge a complaint via the app “Ron”

My old boss , who was chief poobah (or what ever they are called) of the local masons , used to describe in great detail the ins and out of the things they used to get up to.

When he was caught speeding, and about to lose his licence, we all thought he would get off , as several highish ranking police officers and magistrates were in his lodge.  Didn't stop him getting a six month ban

We just need jivehoney to arrive on the thread to complete the connections...

I haven’t ever given it much thought but the issue with it being a men only club, is that not just the same as the women’s institute being women only? Do we care about that? It hasn’t ever kept me up at night worrying.

It's the same whining one gets from previously powerful lobbies who've seen their influence decline over the years. Not that long ago you pretty much had to be a Mason to get ahead in your local community, and the secretive (or private, if you wish)  element to their ceremonies added to the mystery and allure somewhat, and they were at pains to keep the public out of what they regarded as non of their business as they went about sorting things as they felt they should be. Now that there's competing interests and folk don't feel the need to ingratiate themselves with the local fishmonger to get ahead, their tune has changed. They could've been open and honest about who they are years and years ago, but with a healthy bank balance and full membership, were too busy rolling up their trouser legs. All of a sudden the piggy bank is empty and lodges are closing because 80 year olds don't get out much, and there's a sudden need for a recruitment drive...

see also: The Church.

is that not just the same as the women’s institute being women only? Do we care about that?

They both have to do *those* calendars to even it out.

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That’s kinda nice though, in this day and age. Knowing your fellow Masons have got your back. It’s something that’s sadly lacking in society on the whole; no one looks out for each other any more.

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So obvious. So so obvious.

Less is more young David.

I did not think davidtaylforth was trolling, i.e. posting a statement about a subject to which he is indifferent, purely to provoke responses. I think it's rather an eloquent piece of biting satire, and IMO it's the best post on the thread. In two sentences he gets to the heart of the issue.

I read it several times, enjoying it more and more each time. The tone and voice and the crafting of the phrases are spot on. Chapeau DTF.

Those who want to abuse the masons merely have to lodge a complaint. But don’t expect much. They are not the brightest sparks as they only have to pass a third degree

We heard you the first time THM. Are you so desperate for attention that you will keep posting the same thing until someone responds? There you go, I have so back to bed.

No it’s this odd thread. Didn’t submit on first viewing 😳