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It's perfectly Ok for blacks to make jokes about blacks, handicapped people can joke about handicaps, fat people can joke about fatties. Self-derision doesn't normally cause offence so why is mong causing upset in this case?
That I've read this thread is highly reprehensible though. #sits on a drawing pin and logs off#
I dispair at how insensitive, unthinking and bigoted many of the poster are
to be fair they are usually a lot funnier than the great big wet hand wringing PC nazis and Victorian sensibilities brigade that you spear head TJ 😀
a lot funnier than the great big wet hand wringing PC nazis and Victorian sensibilities brigade that you spear head
Bigotry occurs on every side of every fence.
derek - you dont like the label racist but think you can use other derogatory labels without offending people ...have a think abut it and get back to us
Bigotry occurs on every side of every fence.
what fence?
the offence ?
PC nazis and Victorian sensibilities
Fantasic description - godwins law? 😆
tm 😆
it was the three day ban by the faceless hand wringer without recourse or question that offended me.
good - you probably deserved it given that IMO they allow far more to go on that is acceptable.
Junkyard - Member
derek - you dont like the label racist but think you can use other derogatory labels without offending people ...have a think abut it and get back to us
I don't like debating with grown men who think it's cool to wear lycra, i like it even less if they somehow think they can pass judgement on anything I might say or do..
I told you, i don't care what or how you label me, you don't actually know me or derek, but I wouldn't ban you from saying whatever you like about either of us, other than if you continued to press me to consider spandex in my immediate future..
I'd be interested to read how some of the muppets here even define racism yet condone the use of road wear on a mountain bike forum.
they allow far more to go on tha[s]t[/s]n [i]my personal opinion thinks[/i] is acceptable.
FTFY.
Your opinion is not the only one.
TandemJeremy - Member
it was the three day ban by the faceless hand wringer without recourse or question that offended me.
good - you probably deserved it given that IMO they allow far more to go on that is acceptable.
Yep, the same way you probably deserved to lose your job for spending too much time on here..
sorry, my mistake, I thought we could have a grown up conversation
Forgive me
they allow far more to go on thatn my personal opinion thinks is acceptable.
FTFY.Your opinion is not the only one.
Which makes it all the more strange that you 'fixed' it by taking out the 'IMO'.
Derek, have you been reading Dale Carnegie?
Something needs to be reported here.
Immagonna go with JY and TeeJ. For being horrible and racistist.
Hard to copy/paste on my tablet. Apologies.
My point remains, however. The least tolerant of other opinions/views tend to be those of the utopian left view on here. Any view that differs is treated with disdain.
Yep, the same way you probably deserved to lose your job for spending too much time on here..
Nice
FWIW i don't post from work - I got sacked last week.
Well, do take your time to correct it so that it makes sense, otherwise the FTFY is just wrong. You point was that it was only his opinion, but he had stated that it was his opinion. Was it just TJ bashing gone awry?
Wow! derek and ...erm.... Derek have made TJ likeable. Who would have guessed?.
Teej, is that serious? The getting sacked bit?
If so, really sorry to hear that. Have you got anything else lined up?
Utter bollocks flashy.
(when you get round to getting it to make sense). You shouldda got an iPad.
No Flash, Darcy. 🙂
It is CFH. Thanks Very very pissed of at the way I was treated . I can always temp
Are there two Dereks?
I think someone's been caught out!,
Bu99er. Sorry to hear that, TJ, really. A friend got bumped recently, and it's never nice or easy. Fingers crossed for the future, eh? Why not go and work in a bar! You'd be the ideal cross-bar confessional barman! 🙂
"I think in a lot of cases it's just plain attention seeking on behalf of the hand wringers, seriously do you think for one moment the actual downs syndrome sufferers themselves are at all offended by Gervais's remarks, wether or not it was aimed at them. No, it's those tasked with the job of caring for them, or those parents who are sensitive to the stares and probably over sensitive in some instances"
And you're basing this on what, exactly? I do find Ricky Gervases' comments offensive, but you know what? I can get over it. What I do struggle with are things like the fact that my little lad (who is not statemented and is in mainstream school)is desperate to be liked and accepted by the other kids, but when he talks to them, more often than not they just stare at him and walk away. It's even better when the parents do it, that really makes your day. Or, how about last week, when three other kids held him down and took it in turns to kick him in the face (he's six, by the way). Then again, I'm probably just being over sensitive. You're an arsehole derek.
Hooray! Another win for the Left!
barnsleymitch
well said squire. A little more fiery than your earlier replies 🙂
fiery - I like it teej! Dont really like wasting my indignation on folk like derekrides, but ffs, sometimes I just despair.
People need to stop being overly sensitive in general.
Its just words and unless they come from the mouth of somebody important to you then they are largely meaningless....if a stranger in the street calls me an ugly bastard then i'll tend to think the bloke is a weirdo and forget it as soon as its happened but if a close friend or family member calls me an ugly bastard then the comment hurts.
Comments from comedians are material, just that....nothing more and nothing less....if you dont like Gervias's material then dont watch it....this isnt rocket science.
Comments from comedians are material, just that....nothing more and nothing less....if you dont like Gervias's material then dont watch it....this isnt rocket science.
What an arse!
erm, Mr Mungus, a few weeks ago you were making jokes about stephen hawkings' disability and speech synthesiser, and now you're the voice of justice and righteousness 🙄
Deviant - what you miss is that comments like Gervais end in kids like barnsleymitches being mistreated. Thats why it is important not to mock disability in that sort of way. The result is a child that is hurt.
Disability can be funny - and many a good joke can be made from it. However mockery is harmful
A comedian is an act, they go on stage and project a persona that allows then to use certain material to amuse, shock etc....its highly likely that most bigotted, racist, offensive comedians arent like that once off the stage....but it doesnt stop the pitch fork wielding hordes from complaining en masse when ever an offensive word is used.
For what its worth i use the word 'Pikey' all the time....and yet i have a couple of friends from this kind of background....unavoidable when my girlfriend is into horses but i treat them the same as i treat everybody i come across...start off nice and if they act the cock then i'll treat them like a cock....if they are polite and friendly then i've got all the time in the world for just about everybody.
Deviant - did you read barnsley mitches post? Comments like gervais made mocking the disabled lead to a child being hurt. Thats why its wrong to mock the disabled. Humour is good - mockery is not funny and is not good. Mockery is only funny when its the powerful being mocked - not the powerless
deviant - I said earlier that I have far bigger issues than Ricky Gervais to concern myself with. However, using terms like mong is hardly spreading understanding and tolerance is it? Youre right, they're just words, and after all, words never did any harm did they?
Oh, hang on a minute ... 🙄
and no doubt had it been one of you two 'longer termers' [b]no action would have resulted[/b].
Are you referring to me? 😮
Is he referring to [i]me[/i]? He can't be! Is he??
No....
Is he???? 😯
Somebody 'ave a word please! 😆
TJ...i disagree about it being ok to mock the powerful, it smacks of the kind of double standards that some people dedicate their lives to trying to stamp out....if its ok to call somebody an upper class twit, a chinless wonder, a toff etc....then its ok to call somebody working class scum too....the principle is the same.
It goes back to the old phrase about sticks and stones....if people are still being offended by mere words uttered by complete strangers then they lead very sad lives indeed.
If he was elf, he needs to go back and count the number of times you've been cordially invited to leave. 😆
the point is if you mock say Cameron it does no harm. If you mock the diabled it does. Children are not going to bully a powerful person because the mockery has made them less human. thats the point
At the risk of turning this into some sort of hideous middle aged northern bromance TJ, thanks for your kind words and support. I'm off to my bed now, got to be up bright and early to get outraged by something a total stranger said that may or may not cause me offence. Down with this sort of thing! 😉
erm, Mr Mungus, a few weeks ago you were making jokes about stephen hawkings' disability and speech synthesiser, and now you're the voice of justice and righteousness
No, i made a joke about his speech synthesiser, not his disabilty. Stop making stuff up.
I'm not a fan of the term "Political Correctness" because I think too many people use the "PC gone mad" cliche to justify lazy thinking and offensive behaviour.
Perhaps I'm a bit old fashioned, but I think it is a good thing to show a bit of respect towards other people. If a group don't want to be referred to in a particular way because they find it offensive, I'm struggling to understand why we shouldn't simply respect their wishes. What great principle is being defended by trying to justify the use of the term "****" when the people it is applied to find it derogatory?
As someone pointed out much earlier, referring to a person with Down's Syndrome as a "Mong" is offensive because it uses a term of ridicule to define a person by one aspect of their existence. The language we use has a powerful influence on how we perceive other people, and the assumptions we make about them. People with Down's Syndrome have fought a long battle to avoid being be sidelined as "Down's sufferers", and to get the same opportunities as anyone else in society. I can easily understand how someone could find it extremely offensive to have their individual achievements and character dismissed by someone lazily stereotyping them as a "Mong", or perpetuating such stereotypes by using the word as a more general term of abuse.
You made a joke about his speech synthesiser? YOU WHAT? REALLY?
You [insert word likely to cause mild offence here]!
😛
Bedtime for me too...I should've known my post this morning would come to this 🙄
EDIT: kcr, we'll have none of that kind of reasonable thinking here please. Away with you!
Bloody hell. This place reminds me of being in Islington in the '80's. 😯
yeah kcr that was way to sensible reasonable and well balanced for this parish
if people are still being offended by mere words uttered by complete strangers then they lead very sad lives indeed
this has hardly been a universally accepte maxim as
the pen is mightier than the sword
What about when someone said to dom jolly on twitter - i hope your kids die of cancer- still its just words so i suppose that ok then
Mates got a young bird, totally legal, we call him pedo,is this now offensive to all pedophiles? Get a life everyone,he didn't call a downs a mong . Not a fan by the way, spoils a very good show at the moment.
What's a downs?
Mates got a young bird, totally legal, we call him pedo,is this now offensive to all pedophiles? Get a life everyone,he didn't call a downs a mong . Not a fan by the way, spoils a very good show at the moment.
Do you know what he did?
"a dwarfed and deformed idiot"
I think i need to change my username...
...how does MuddyCretin sound then? 😳
Did anyone see [url= http://www.channel4.com/programmes/shameless/4od#3241944 ]last weeks episode[/url] of Shameless on channel 4..?
plenty of instances of the use of the word mong there.. and biffa and retard.. and plenty of people with downs syndrome present amongst the cast.. what can this mean..?
(NSFW for the uninitiated amongst you)
You [insert word likely to cause mild offence here]!
You ricky?
Mates got a young bird, totally legal, we call him pedo,is this now offensive to all pedophiles? Get a life everyone,he didn't call a downs a mong . Not a fan by the way, spoils a very good show at the moment.
It may be offensive to those who have been the victims of paedophiles.
There's also a huge difference between banter between mates in private and the words voiced in public. In Gervais' case, it's the effect his words may have to the subsequent actions of his fans; in the same way that Clarkson's comments about environmentalists and cyclists have an effect upon the behaviour and attitudes of Top gear viewers who don't realise he's portraying an exaggerated version of himself.
A lot of comedians portray a character. In some cases it's obvious: when Steve Coogan is Alan Partridge, the butt of the joke is Partridge and those who share his opinions. Others slip across the boundary: when Al Murray started doing his pub landlord stuff, the humour was directed toward those who shared his opinions, but it seems to have slipped a bit recently.
Frankie Boyle did the same. To begin with, his 'edgy' stuff was directed in the right direction. By Tramadol Nights, he'd become a parody of himself. Gervais seems to have done the same.
I don't know what annoys me more here, the ignorant dickheads who think it's OK to say anything to anyone if you're trying to be funny or the smartarses trying to intellectually challenge them.
What's wrong with just being nice? That's all it comes down to.