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Good grief, Passed the incident it was searching for on the way home. 🙁
Jeez 🙁
Houns+1
Not looking good at all 🙁
Thats mental, hope no one is badly injured, seems unlikely though given its a Friday pay day in Glasgow
Sadly I can't see the crew coming out unscathed 🙁
I know. Thoughts and prayers for all crew and persons in the pub.
Looks like Ill be a busy boy in the morning
Why not, I'm not sure that they're dead. It could have auto-rotated in, otherwise they'd mostly be pulling bodies out and there'd be nothing left of that pub.
Hope no one died.
Because it's upside down and through the roof 🙁
I'd guess they were trying to bring it down on Glasgow Green but didn't make it
P.S. Didn't mean that they were dead, just not likely to be un-injured
It was also low with searchlight on over the Gorbals. They wouldn't have much time to autorotate anywhere.
I heard the bang from Govanhill.
Thoughts to all involved.
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Sounds like engine failure of some sort from eye witness reports.
Awful tragedy, and thoughts to those involved.
My first thought was that this was another ratings stunt like the train crash in Corrie, the plane crash in Emmerdale and numerous other soap opera gas explosions and crashes but it's definitely grimly real.
Jeez, that's looking grim.
Same aircraft (not sure on the variant) as the NHS Scottish Air Ambulance Service, wonder if they'll be temporarily grounded?
It's twin engine, wonder if they had simultaneous engine failure!
Not sure it could have been a simple engine failure as the eurocopter is a twin engine machine. In fact to fly over built up cities such as Glasgow or London you need by law to use a twin engine machine to minimise the risk of accidents like this.
I guess a catastrophic gearbox failure could have done it........horrible for all though.
edit - beaten to it!
Sad news however it happened.
Tragic... looks grim on the news this morning....
Awful.
I guess a catastrophic gearbox failure could have done it.
Sounds like it. Apparently it fell straight down. Very much like the N Sea Super Puma a few years ago.
Jeezo. Lot of friends and colleagues involved with this. Horrible horrible scenario.
Annoyed that I'm off sick at the mo and not able to help.
Thoughts are with all those caught up in this.
Just awful news thoughts are with anyone involved. 🙁
3+ deaths.
Watching the reports on the BBC website.
Can't believe the neds laughing and gesturing behind the interviewee!
Arseholes.
Your not he only one to think that.
Hope it wasn't some Ned with a laser pen. Looks like the pilot was trying for the car park behind the pub. Sadly listing 3 people dead so far, doesn't look good for the crew 🙁
Actually 1 confirmed fatality with more expected
[quote=Houns ]Hope it wasn't some Ned with a laser pen. Laser pens tend not to affect engines. Eye-witness reports are of intermittent/failing engine note.
Absolutely terrible. One poor guy on the BBC News said his dad was definitely in there when it happened, and they haven't heard from him since. Awful.
That's the second time. The police helicopter crashed into a block of flats on the southside of Glasgow around 1990.
tragic and surreal, pass by that pub everyday nearly. Thoughts are with every one concerned. Horrible.
I live 2 mins from this pub, pass it everyday on the way home, still finding the whole thing pretty surreal, my thoughts go out to all involved. I hear the helicopters most nights but last night I heard what I can only describe as a really low flying aircraft but thought nothing more about it till I got a phone call from my mum asking if we were safe..... The Clutha is a tiny pub but its always rammed shoulder to shoulder, I can't believe how it fell out the sky on top of it, it is the most concentrated volume of people in such a small area. There are flats and hotels near by but that pub would have been mobbed. There is a massive car park almost across the road , there is the river right next to it, glasgow green 100 yards away and even outside the pub there is a big box junction. It's insane it hit the pub with all the people and not one of the more open spaces right next to it!
Sounding like the last thing the pilot did was shut down the engines and isolate the fuel tanks.
Fair play.
Perhaps he thought it was a flat open area rather than the roof of a single storey building.
I guess we'll never know.
Tragic.
I read somewhere that there is speculation that possibily the pilot might have been aiming for the car park behind the clutha.
Hard to say without more info, but it's a logical thing to aim for, but that's on a presumption of having an element of control of direction, which accounts so far doesn't seem to suggest.
It's all speculation until they've inspected the flight recorder.
absolutely
It's all speculation until they've inspected the flight recorder, radio transcripts, maintenance records, wreckage, crash site and any other possible source of information
FTFY
Think that went without saying Winston but cheers.
Heard on radio 4 news that it doesn't have an in flight recorder on board - found that quite suprising
I think that it may be below the size requirement and it doesn't carry fare paying passengers? Just a guess?
[url= http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/ORS4%20989.pdf ]FDR exemption[/url]
It's exempt because of it's size. Quite surprising.
News report earlier said they the Police choose to equip them, suppose we'll find out.
I was outside the pub with a mate an hour before the incident (having a closer look at the Briggait). Headed over to West Brewery and on leaving noticed the helicopter hovering over the Gorbals around 10pm. Cycled by the scene at 11pm, there was a massive response and the police had the place sealed. Just found out the other half works with a guy who plays in the band that were on at the Clutha. Still to hear if he's okay.
I've just learned that there's a Blood Donor truck in Nelson Mandela place should anyone wish to help. Heading there shortly myself.
Fingers crossed for the folk still trapped.
The band are all okay, according to their FB.
Eight dead - three in the helicopter, five on the ground. RIP.
Very sad, could have been a lot lot worse. condolences to the bereaved
All my wife know got out OK, one mate of a mate still missing though. There was some mention that the pilot dumped the fuel prior to impact, if that is the case I guess it may have prevented a fireball?
Its clear from some of the Fb postings the guys who were in there and back in to help are suffering from shock. Its all a bit surreal.
I'm staying at the hotel opposite the pub. Wasn't there last night but have been inside the cordon this evening. Lots of activity and TV crews, the police seem to be getting refreshments etc in the hotel. Not sure how well I'll sleep with that outside my bedroom window...
What a tragic accident. Awful for those involved and their families, but it seems like it could have been so much worse.
It's all speculation until they've inspected the flight recorder.
Light aircraft don't have flight recorders.
I was uncomfortably close to where that happened last night. Complete tragedy, thoughts with all those affected 🙁
The people of this city always amaze me whenever something terrible happens, theres a real feeling of solidarity and i've heard from an acquaintance who was involved in the rescue operation that regular people were rushing to the scene to help, despite the obvious danger. People who you'd just walk past in the street suddenly putting their own lives at risk to help a complete stranger.
Peterfile, that's something that was emphasised on the news tonight, how people just rushed into the pub to help, regardless of any risk to themselves. There was an MP being interviewed, who had been helping, and the interviewer said "there's blood on your shirt", the bloke looked at him, silent, visibly close to losing control, then just said "it's not mine". How he kept his composure I honestly don't know; I'd have been in pieces at that point.
My thought are with the families of those lost, it's a dreadful tragedy for them all. 🙁
The people of this city always amaze me whenever something terrible happens, theres a real feeling of solidarity
Indeed - the central mosque just across the river was open all night AFAIK to offer shelter, and just saw that taxi companies are offering free travel for relatives to visit the injured in hospital.
Just spotted a tweet from TOA saying that they'll provide free taxis to anyone with relatives in hospital as a result of the crash if they're struggling to get there (edit, sorry just saw your post Ben!)
Glasgow can feel tough at times, but in all the places I've lived, this is the one where I genuinely feel like people care. I saw a woman getting hit by a motorbike in Hanoi last week and I'm not exaggerating when I say that people simply stepped over her. Compare that to the incident last night, and my own experience a while ago of collapsing in the street and 3 complete strangers (both to me and each other) ooking after me until an ambulance arrived then one of the guys coming to the hospital to check if I needed anything or to call anyone. Humbling city at times.
There was an MP being interviewed, who had been helping, and the interviewer said "there's blood on your shirt", the bloke looked at him, silent, visibly close to losing control, then just said "it's not mine". How he kept his composure I honestly don't know;
Jim Murphy, former Secretary of State for Scotland was driving past as it happened, jumped out the car and rushed in to help. I heard the interview on the radio this morning and, although you could tell he was shaken, that "blood on your shirt" bit really was a stopper.
Awful events. Thoughts with all families affected. heartwarming to hear how people rallied round to help.
Terrible accident I've shed quite a few tears today. I'm Glasgow born and bread so the Clutha has been part of my life for 46 years. My office is 5 minutes away. I don't t know what to say other than rest in peace and my thoughts are with those affected.
Feel sorry for the families on the news that have loved ones missing who use the pub as their local.
Terrible news. Have not seen the Jim Murphy interview, but have always had time for him. Good to see people pulling together.
There was an MP being interviewed, who had been helping, and the interviewer said "there's blood on your shirt", the bloke looked at him, silent, visibly close to losing control, then just said "it's not mine". How he kept his composure I honestly don't know;
That's fascinating, I didn't "read" that that way at all. I thought he looked remarkably composed, if a little tired.
I loathe Jim Murphy for his politics/politicians but the man has gone up in my estimation 1,000-fold for his part in last nights drama and his demeanour whilst being grilled by the feeding frenzy of journalists.
Didn't realise who it was giving the interview 1st time I saw it. Just thought he was a brave man and his experiences of the night where only slowly catching up on him, a rare and genuine moment that I will remember for a long time.
He did seem genuinely shaken.. like he was stunned tbh. They guys used to speaking in public but fair play to him. He seemed like it had got to him.
http://one4review.co.uk/2013/12/glasgow-comedians-benefit-gig-for-clutha-victims-sunday-22-december/
I'd go to this if not busy....great line up.....billy Connelly used to reguLarly play at the Clutha...