[Closed] Plodgate - the anti-tory brigades get their comeuppance

excellent troll mr mandelson

* wonders who the rabble rousers are. Eyes yossarian suspiciously *

TROLLTASTIC 😆

Doesn't mean the Tory scumbag is innocent though, does it?

Just in the interests of balanced, reporting, like.

David Cameron turned out to be Jesus Christ

Most. Disappointing. Christmas. Ever.

Less anti-Tory, more anti- politicians? All seen as having their snout in the trough, one rule for them one rule for us, etc etc?

David Cameron turned out to be Jesus Christ himself

I don't believe in either of them 😐

It seems that in the 21st century, the only people who are completely and totally fair game for ridicule and discrimination are people who are considering posh, educated too well or born into high society. It's fairly disgusting.

Yes, how awful for them - how do they cope? I suppose positions of extreme power and wealth might go a little way to alleviating the misery but still, how awful for them.

And no, you never hear anyone denigrating chavs/the poor do you?

where's that cynic binners when you need him? 😉

I expect it means he's fairly innocent...and you know what...in all honesty...if the chief whip or any other cabinet minister wants to ride his bicycle out the front gate of 10 downing street, he should bloody well be allowed to and he should probably get a salute from the guard...whether he's a tory, lib dem, or member of the labour party.

I'm anti-tory, not sure how to join the brigade though. When can I expect my comeuppance?

I bet all those chinless, upperclass, toffee nosed, trustafarian etonians have stashed all the comeuppance for themselves, B*st*rds. Come the revolution there'll be comeuppance for all!

If you say "Comeuppance" really quickly, with the right accent it sounds like "Communist". No such thing as coincidence is there?....

It seems that in the 21st century, the only people who are completely and totally fair game for ridicule and discrimination are people who are considering posh, educated too well or born into high society. It's fairly disgusting.
Yes, how awful for them - how do they cope? I suppose positions of extreme power and wealth might go a little way to alleviating the misery but still, how awful for them.

And no, you never hear anyone denigrating chavs/the poor do you?

Yes but people like you attack people for criticising chavs, where as nobody ran to the chief whip's defence.

I don't believe in either of them

Well, one was a swivel eyed lunatic who lied constantly and ruined the lives of millions and the other is.....oh, hang on

0/10 poor trolling.

Try using more CAPITAL LETTERS...

People don't dislike Cameron because he's rich. People dislike him because he's a tit. And rich.

HERE!!! 😀

And I don't believe any of them, quite frankly. Politico's of any stripes or, in this case, the police. They're all clearly lying to further their own agenda's. As per

I wouldn't have objected to the Dave/Gideon axis of smugness (lets face it, they're Tory's - you know what you're getting) until they started using the phrase 'we're all in it together' at every available opportunity.

No we're bloody not!!! Unless mummy and daddy have left me a £10 million trust fund i was previously unaware of! Though I notice that nowadays, even they can't bring themselves to utter those words without s****ing

Oh.... and bencooper +1

People don't dislike Cameron because he's rich. People dislike him because he's a tit. And rich.

What has he done which is so tittish?

where as nobody ran to the chief whip's defence.

wasn't that because he acted like a prick and swore at a copper? wasn't it only a day or two after 2 female GMP officers had been murdered on duty?

surely all that breeding would make one better behaved towards the constabulary?

What has he done which is so tittish?

Where to start?.....

Yes but people like you attack people for criticising chavs, where as nobody ran to the chief whip's defence.

Thank god he has brave crusaders-for-justice like you on his side.

What has he done which is so tittish?

How about relentlessly blaming the poor for an economic mess that was none of their making?

His tyre logos didn't line up with his valves.

Hanging is too good for that sort!

What has he done which is so tittish?

The list is endless.

The big society aka 'get fired, but come back and do your old job for free'.

Blaming the poor for societies ills.

Stealing from the poor to feed the rich....

Normal Tory stuff...

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Don't forget turning the teachers into the new miners and licking the bottom of Rupert and his fiery haired temptress.

And he's mates with Clarkson.

wasn't that because he acted like a prick and swore at a copper? wasn't it only a day or two after 2 female GMP officers had been murdered on

Cannot see any relevance here apart from the bizarre mawkishness this country seems to be observing towards anyone in a uniform at the moment!

It seems that in the 21st century, the only people who are completely and totally fair game for ridicule and discrimination are people who are considering posh, educated too well

What are you moaning about? You'll clearly be safe from the "ridicule and discrimination" unless the myriad spelling mistakes, punctuation errors, grammatical liberties you're taking in all of your, let's face it robust defence of the Tory Elite, are included here on purpose to wind up pedants?

On the whole though, it must be truly gratifying to the real Tory Elite to know that there are still underlings like you willing to tug the forlock in subservient obeisance as if by natural,knee-jerk reaction like you Joe....nah, scrap that, they care just as little about you than they do me. A pleb.

Don't forget that the powers that be have access to levels of police and secret service that could easily create an alibi for a privileged miscreant and then falsify evidence against the police to make them appear to blame. Does nobody watch The Killing these days?

So this tory hatred is mainly based on bitter jealousy then?

Don't misunderstand me; I think CMD is a massive arsehole, for reasons such as his desire to privatise the police force to his good friends and notorious ****wits Group 4 Security, or G4S as they are now known in an attempt to hide from their reputation at being unable to simply lock a door.
Amongst other things.

The same hatred still existed when Labour took over. The country was doing well. Slow and steady economic growth. Didn't take long for Labour to **** that up, did it?

I find it amazing that there are so many who will lambast tory politicians for something as simple as attending a privately funded school, when at the same time not noticing (or not minding) dozens of Labour politicians who were afforded the same privilige.

The amazing thing is how no end of Plebs go out their way to defend a party whose sole aim is to exploit/screw over the Plebs for their own financial gain. Turkeys voting for Christmas and all that....

Lets not forget making life miserable for thousands of disabled people, while cutting taxes for the most wealthy.

Screwing over northern cities where they know people are unlikely to vote for them anyway too - deeply cynical.

I find it amazing that there are so many who will lambast tory politicians for something as simple as attending a privately funded school, when at the same time not noticing (or not minding) dozens of Labour politicians who were afforded the same privilige.

A big fat amen to that.

I have no time at all for Team Red, Team Blue or Team Yellow (UK IP, obviously).

The amazing thing is how no end of Plebs go out their way to defend a party whose sole aim is to exploit/screw over the Plebs for their own financial gain. Turkeys voting for Christmas and all that....

BOOOOOOOMMMMMMM! This! Well said FF...

Didn't take long for Labour to **** that up, did it?

Ah, so it was Labour who caused the worldwide financial debt crisis. Thanks for clearing that up, there was general worldwide confusion on that one.....

dozens of Labour politicians who were afforded the same privilige.

The utter bastards, I never knew that

Point out which one of these fags is Labour boy in disguise and I'll have him thrashed.

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I find it amazing that there are so many who will lambast tory politicians for something as simple as attending a privately funded school, when at the same time not noticing (or not minding) dozens of Labour politicians who were afforded the same privilige.

Yes Labour are increasingly become a party of the privileged too, but if you want to vote for the super-rich who really have absolutely no clue about life for normal people, there's still only one party to go for.

and I'll have [u]my under butler's under butler thrash him [/u][s] him thrashed.[/s]

FIFY

Ah, so it was Labour who caused the worldwide financial debt crisis. Thanks for clearing that up, there was general worldwide confusion on that one.....

Good point, that one.

On the other hand, there was the great gold sell off etc... can't blame the Eton Trifles for that.

there's still only one party to go for.

UKIP / BNP?

On the other hand, there was the great gold sell off etc... can't blame the Eton Trifles for that.

No, but it has just about zero material affect on anyone's standard of living and was the general policy of most governments at the time....

sbob - Member

So this tory hatred is mainly based on bitter jealousy then?

Nope. Hatred.

I find it amazing that there are so many who will lambast tory politicians for something as simple as attending a privately funded school, when at the same time not noticing (or not minding) dozens of Labour politicians who were afforded the same privilige.

Rubbish - You really would not believe how much I despise Diane Abbott.
Not trusted a Labour poitician since John Smith died.

I'm heartbroken about Blair and his legacy.
It was a once in a lifetime opportunity and he betrayed every single principle he once pretended to believe in.

Nope. Hatred.

Don't hold back there. Say what you really feel.....

On the other hand, there was [strike]the great gold sell off[/strike] Black Wednesday etc... can't blame the Eton Trifles for that.

Oh ......

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yossarian been visited by the ban-hammer yet? 8)

Grassroots labour supporters aspire to help everyone in society regardless of status.

Grassroots Tory supporters aspire to help people like themselves to be successful.

It isn't complicated and it hasn't changed in a generation.

footflaps - Member

Ah, so it was Labour who caused the worldwide financial debt crisis. Thanks for clearing that up, there was general worldwide confusion on that one.....

Are you suggesting that Labour's financial policies were an improvement?
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footflaps - Member

The amazing thing is how no end of Plebs go out their way to defend a party whose sole aim is to exploit/screw over the Plebs for their own financial gain. Turkeys voting for Christmas and all that....

If that statement is correct, then why was I, someone who earned less than average (indeed by the standards of some on here I'd be considered poor!), financially better off under the tory party?

yossarian - Member
Grassroots labour supporters aspire to help everyone in society regardless of status.

Unless they're a Tory supporter.......?

Are you suggesting that Labour's financial policies were an improvement?

No, they could have reduced the damage to the UK banks by improving regulation, but the general trend of deregulation was a Thatcher policy which every party since has continued to a a greater or lesser extent. It all went wrong when banks were no longer required to deposit money on demand with the BoE to constrain lending so as to keep a lit on inflation, we had the 80s boom and bust, 90s boom and bust, 00s boom and bust, 10s boom and bust, etc.

Labour are far from perfect, but generally Plebs do better under them than under Tories, which is why I just don't get why so many Plebs line up in their millions to support a bunch of Toffs whose only use for a Pleb is to use one to wipe their arse with.

If that statement is correct, then why was I, someone who earned less than average (indeed by the standards of some on here I'd be considered poor!), financially better off under the tory party?

Benefit cheat? Tax dodger? Sex slave?

financially better off under the tory party?

How do you know you actually are / were? As you could have been even better off had the other party been in charge. Unconstrained lending / economic expansion lines everyone's pockets and makes us all feel rich. Problem is when the bubble bursts what happens? Millions of plebs lose their jobs, houses, have benefits cut, whilst the rich get richer. You might be lucky and survive a recession without losing your job, but millions didn't.

What has he done which is so tittish?

Privatising the NHS.
Disproportionate cutting of council budgets in the more deprived local authority areas versus the Tory-led councils in the south-east.
Getting rid of Legal Aid.
Allowing the banks - who were a major cause of the mess we're in - to get away with doing f*** all to recompense the country for their misdemeanours.
Changing the housing benefits system which will mean single people under 35 will have difficulty getting a place of their own, as well as promoting the social cleansing of parts of London.
Giving the richest people tax breaks.
Not providing any stimulus for business or the economy.
etc.
etc.
etc.

jota180 - Member

The utter bastards, I never knew that

I see you selectively edited my post and changed the premise "attended a private school" to "attended one very specific private school" because you are ill equipped to reply without moving the goalposts.

Thanks for that, I now know to file your replies under W, forthwith.
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i) Don't forget - this is noting to do with proper coppers, it was all about DPG (doors, porches and gates)

ii) Its only the chippy reverse snob class warriors and layabout wasters who have a real problem with what the Tories are doing, everyone else thinks the public sector has got fat and bloated at the expense of the rest of us, and that people who won't take a job that they think is beneath them can go and F themselves

iii) If Cameron is Jesus Christ - that means Maggie was the Blessed Virgin Mary 😀

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Zulu-Eleven - Member

i) Don't forget - this is noting to do with proper coppers, it was all about DPG (doors, porches and gates)

So 'proper' coppers never lie or fabricate evidence?
History would seem to be against you.

everyone else thinks the public sector has got fat and bloated at the expense of the rest of us,

You mean that's what the Daily Mail told you....

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So 'proper' coppers never lie or fabricate evidence?

Not against white english people.

A large pubic sector, like the large Military establishment in the US, is the perfect economic buffer against free market boom and busts. It allows the government to borrow and spend to counter the dips in the private sector. The US have a smaller public sector, but a massive military spend, which performs the same role as our public sector.

Take that all away and the boom and busts are just magnified.....

Yay look who's come out from under his bridge with more devastating political insight!

The sole reason the Tory's exist is to protect the interests of a narrow elite, at the expense of the rest of us. Pure and simple.

Like the latest 'settlement' for local councils. For the northern cities - yet more crippling cuts. For the Tory voting, rich, leafy shires - no cuts at all.

We could possibly live with this if, as they take it out on the poorest in society ie: the disabled, they could at least try and pretend they weren't enjoying it so much!

If that statement is correct, then why was I, someone who earned less than average (indeed by the standards of some on here I'd be considered poor!), financially better off under the tory party?

You're not. Its that simple. For a start, the rise in VAT is essentially an income tax rise of 2.5%, except a pure income tax rise would hit everyone. A VAT rise disproportionately impacts on the poorest, hardest. While the top 10% of earners have their tax reduced. We're all in it together though. Honest

footflaps - Member

Labour are far from perfect, but generally Plebs do better under them than under Tories, which is why I just don't get why so many Plebs line up in their millions to support a bunch of Toffs whose only use for a Pleb is to use one to wipe their arse with.

Depends how you define "plebs" (you do realise some would find that term quite offensive?).

If you define "plebs" as the lower earners, then you are completely wrong and have fallen for the big labour fallacy.
If you define "plebs" as those that don't earn, then yes, they are better off under labour, know this, and vote for them.
Look at the Scottish and Welsh Labour strongholds and then have a look to see how many of their voters are claiming dole or on the sick.

What's that?
Way, way above the national average!
Quel surprise! 😆

(Sarcasm so binners feels at home)

Just how "narrow" is this elite exactly?

32.4% narrow? or are they all christmas-loving turkeys?

The sole reason the Tory's exist is to protect the interests of a narrow elite, at the expense of the rest of us. Pure and simple.

Would that be the narrow elite who pay the majority of the tax?

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Which sort of undermines the [i]at the expense of the rest of us[/i] jibe doesn't is 🙄

Sbob - Did you read all that in a Sun editorial?

How anyone who isn't in the top 10% bracket can come to the conclusion that they're better off, would suggest you're what the Tory's view as a 'useful idiot'. Voting for them despite it being clearly against your interest to do so. As pointed out - Turkeys voting for christmas

Z-11. As usual you're selective, and/or dodgily sourced statistics are meaningless

Would that be the narrow elite who pay the majority of the tax?

majority of INCOME tax.

binners - Member

You're not. Its that simple.

No, I really was.
This is comparing how financially well off I was at the end of the conservative party's last term in office, to the beginning of Labours.

Not comparing parties from decades apart.

Labour did put up income tax, they just called it something else.

Depends how you define "plebs"

Personally I define it as anyone who has to work for a living rather than having inherited / married into money.

This is comparing how financially well off I was at the end of the conservative party's last term in office, to the beginning of Labours.

Do you define 'how financially well off' as just gross / net pay or weigh on all the benefits from society - state of NHS, roads, pensions, crime, schools etc.

Eg you might get a 5% pay rise, but you local schools get a 20% funding cut to pay for it. Tories would chose that, Labour would chose the other way round....

Sbob - Did you read all that in a Sun editorial?

How anyone who isn't in the top 10% bracket can come to the conclusion that they're better off, would suggest you're what the Tory's view as a 'useful idiot'. Voting for them despite it being clearly against your interest to do so. As pointed out - Turkeys voting for christmas

It's a simple fact that I was better off.
The fact that you have to resort to ad hominem means that I can now comfortably file your posts with jota's. 🙂

Labour did put up income tax, they just called it something else.

Really? Examples please? Any how it compares to the tories gift of a 2.5% VAT rise, That's clearly made you that bit richer?

It's a simple fact that I was better off.

Well as long as [i]you're[/i] ok, thats ok then. And, in a nutshell, you sum up perfectly your Tory philosophy 🙄

Z-11. As usual you're selective, and/or dodgily sourced statistics are meaningless

C'mon then Binners - which group pays the vast majority of tax, the ones that the Tories are looking after, or the ones that Labour are looking after?

its a fairly simple question!

In ultimate amounts... the richest pay the most, obviously. As they have vastly more to tax, as our society becomes more and more polarised.

As a proportion of income? .... well that's a different matter altogether, isn't it?

In ultimate amounts... the richest pay the most, obviously. As they have vastly more to tax, as our society becomes more and more polarised.

But its an accepted fact that the gap between rich and poor grew actually under labour, correct?

OK, regardless, now imagine if the evil Tory voters weren't paying all that lovely tax money, where would your beloved public services be then?

Ever heard of killing the goose that laid the golden egg?

That not really the point is it? The point is that, as a proportion of income (which lets face it, is the only 'real' benchmark) the poorest in society are being deliberately targeted to pay more, while those at the top are asked to contribute less and less

Eg you might get a 5% pay rise, but you local schools get a 20% funding cut to pay for it.

Tories would chose that, Labour would chose [s]the other way round[/s] [b]both[/b]....

FIFY 😉

That not really the point is it? The point is that, as a proportion of income (which lets face it, is the only 'real' benchmark) the poorest in society are being deliberately targeted to pay more, while those at the top are asked to contribute less and less

significantly more low paid people now don't pay income tax on their earnings than did under Labour

And lets not forget Gordon getting rid of the 10% tax rate, shall we!

binners - Member

Well as long as you're ok, thats ok then. And, in a nutshell, you sum up perfectly your Tory philosophy

But I'm one of those people that was meant to be better off under Labour, according to the anti-Tory lobby!

You can use your imagination to insert the turbo belm photo here.

significantly more low paid people now don't pay income tax on their earnings than did under Labour

is that because there's now more significantly low paid people?

footflaps - Member

Do you define 'how financially well off' as just gross / net pay or weigh on all the benefits from society - state of NHS, roads, pensions, crime, schools etc.

Eg you might get a 5% pay rise, but you local schools get a 20% funding cut to pay for it. Tories would chose that, Labour would chose the other way round....

Like Labours famous education for all policy?

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/9180/14-09-2001/scrap-fees-restore-the-grant

There are none so blind...