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edit to make shorter. That North Yorks police commissioner is a tool.
Can you elaborate on how a cassette could disintegrate?
Yes! And why were you in the smallest sprocket on your cassette on a climb eh????? People need to think more about their choice of gear ratio at this time.
Yes, I know there are no government guidelines on gear choice, but personally I wouldn't recommend straying away from the larger end of the cassette and definitely don't use the biggest sprocket in case you over-shift into the spokes. I've seen people riding in really ill-considered ratios and it does my head in etc. 😉
Journeys to Boston don’t count.
While we're on the subject of unnecessary journeys.
Journeys to Boston don’t count.
I could have sworn.....now I just feel like swearing.
I think the lesson here is check your bike over before you ride, not like most of us haven't got time for a bit of preventative maintenance at the moment
Journeys to Boston don’t count.
I could have sworn.....now I just feel like swearing.
Chris Boardman already on the NIMBY Police Commissioner's case
https://twitter.com/Chris_Boardman/status/1248882473846652928
I’m with TJ on this one.
Me to, some of the above criticism is more like bullying than fair comment.
Op as you were going up a hill before your acceleration I'm assuming you were in the small chainring ? Small/small is never good, slyly put it into the big ring like the pro's before launching your attack 👍
I have a small confession to make from last week, or was it the week before? I went out for a sub 60min local spin one early evening and sometimes I had brief moments where things felt slightly odd, but I carried on and didn't stop. I got home to find the rear thru axle was nothing like properly tightened (as in ~1cm of winding in still exposed), my guess is when my turbo belt snapped I unusually didn't fully tighten the axle when I took the bike off the turbo and re-fitted the rear wheel. 😮
Moral of the story... Check over your bike before heading off!
A significant source of A+E admissions are due to alcohol, or alcohol related injuries. I assume you’ve all stopped drinking?
Have you lost your mind? Drink is all that's seeing the Great British Public™ through all this. If they sober up it will be carnage.
High fives Malvern Rider for soap dodging.
Moral of the story… Check over your bike before heading off!
Don't cycle indoors?
and definitely don’t use the biggest sprocket in case you over-shift into the spokes
That's why you have a spoke protector!
That’s why you have a spoke protector!
You still got your reflectors as well?
Sorry to hear that, I think that’ll make me go easier if I get out for 1/2 hr over lunch.....as I’ve been working to try and bring down the time it takes me to do the 6 mile loop I do, down to 22 mins on the roadie whereas I should just relax and appreciate being able to be out and not seeing a sole while out....keep safe everyone
Small/small is never good, slyly put it into the big ring like the pro’s before launching your attack
Since the greatest torque on the cassette is from small ring at the front and biggest cog on the back that doesn't make sense. Cross-chaining is potentially inefficient* but not dangerous.
* actually more efficient to cross chain big-to-big in some circumstances
“One of the real worries, I think, is Scottish people. We’ve seen large numbers of Scottish people – some of them travelling long distances; long routes.
Local communities are getting a bit anxious about that, so I would just ask those Scottish people to be mindful that they are going through people’s villages and communities and to think about their behaviour, because that is causing a bit of tension.
People are not gathering in groups to be Scottish, so we haven’t seen any large groups of Scots. What we have seen is just a lot of Scottish people.
They are allowed be Scottish. There isn’t an issue with that. They fall within the guidelines. I’m just asking those Scots to be mindful that they are going through communities and that is making people a little bit anxious.
I fully expect a backlash, but the concerns from villages are real, so it’s just to flag that if you are going through a community, please be aware.
I wonder what other groups are causing her community 'anxiety' and if she feels it's a good idea to suggest that anxiety is legitimate simply because it exists.
Irish? dogs?
Dags?
Spot on Bruce.
I note that the elected police commissioner for North Yorkshire used her national TV platform this morning to say that cyclists, even lone ones, are causing a problem by making people in villages ‘uneasy’ as they roll through.
She has a platform to deliver important advice that could keep people alive, and she wastes her time on nonsense like that? She should be getting a stern word to think a bit more carefully about doing her job properly.
elected police commisioner. answereable to no one really and a useless job for jobsworths
I am not being defensive. I am frustrated that folk are over interpreting the advice and then attempting to put their opinion on me.
You do come across as defensive, why I was just curious. It sounded like you were driving out to places, but you are going from your front door so seems fine, and nothing particularly excessive going on.
Ultimately an hour a day exercise is simple enough to interpret though, if you are using your bike, that's about a 25 mile loop tops if you are a superhero, or more like and 15-18 mile loop for most people from you front door.
I'd advise people to take advantage of the quieter roads rather than canal or river paths, I've been up the clyde path once, got off it quickly. I'll be avoiding that for the foreseeable.
I’d advise people
Thanks
Ultimately an hour a day exercise is simple enough to interpret though
It is, but it's not part of guidance or rules.
Ultimately an hour a day exercise is simple enough to interpret
I’d advise people to
It would be if it was anywhere in government or NHS guidelines.
I'd advise you to read them before presenting us with your opinion
MoreCashThanDash
Subscriber
1 hour is pretty clear, how far can you cycle in an hour?
hamishthecat
Subscriber
I’d advise peopleThanks
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UK guidance, 30 miles is not close (if you have a mechanical how are you going to get home?). Why not cycle around the empty (from Lee Craigies perspective anyway) streets of Edinburgh?
15. Can I exercise more than once a day if I need to due to a significant health condition?
in order to reduce the spread of infection and protect those exercising, travel outside of the home should be limited, as close to your local area as possible, and you should remain at least 2 metres apart from anyone who is not a member of your household or a carer at all times.
Ultimately an hour a day exercise is simple enough to interpret though
If it was the guidance.
1 hour is pretty clear, how far can you cycle in an hour?
It is, but its not the rules. Its an off the cuff Govism and that ****er has enough trouble saying something sensible when he's thought about it.
spiralking, tell us how cycling a few more miles on deserted roads (Edinburgh's aren't) gives any increased risk of transmission?
That is if we make it off our own street without all these mechanicals...
1 hour is pretty clear, how far can you cycle in an hour?
What Gove ACTUALLY said
Asked on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show how long the advice to take “one form of exercise a day” could go on for, the Cabinet Office minister said: “Obviously it depends on each individual’s fitness, but I would have thought that for most people a walk of up to an hour or a run of 30 minutes or a cycle ride is appropriate.”
A walk of an hour, or a run of 30 minutes, or a cycle ride (with no time specified)
But it depends on each individual’s fitness.
(I do agree, 5 hours is a bit of a push if you aren’t a pro mind). Broadly, if it feels like taking the piss it probably is. Trouble is, some people have no idea what taking the piss means, or dgas anyway.
What about people who are outside, but clearly not exercising? The ones who are walking at 2mph, or cycling at 8mph? Surely they shouldn't be allowed, they're no better than sunbathers.
It is, but its not the rules. Its an off the cuff Govism and that **** has enough trouble saying something sensible when he’s thought about it.
Whilst I don't claim that my exercise is regularly <1hour because I'm special, a snowflake, I'm definitely a slow twitch person, I should be given unique and special privileges to ignore Gove's advice and go out for a few hours.
People do seem quite happy to jump up and down and say "I told you so" when bad advice is retracted or clarified, or make up their own interpretations when there isn't an official one.
And yet no one in the cabbinet's come out and said: "Ohh yes, sorry cyclists, Gove was wrong you can go on that Highland Trail 550 ride you had planned as long as you follow the ITT rules, our bad, sorry for the confusion".
Watching Strava and STW it does seem that 2-3 weeks ago people were saying "well 20-30 miles is Ok as an exception for roadies who normally do 90 mile club runs on a sunday, the rest of us can get the cross bike out and do a lap of the local fields" has now become "20-30 is average, and I'd hate tho think I'm average so I'm off for a 4 hour ride over the tops".
30 miles is not close (if you have a mechanical how are you going to get home?
You can do a 30 mile loop and never be 5 miles from home, 20 miles can be done in a 3 mile radius, a 10 mile loop can be done in less than 2.
Watching Strava and STW it does seem that 2-3 weeks ago people were saying “well 20-30 miles is Ok as an exception for roadies who normally do 90 mile club runs on a sunday, the rest of us can get the cross bike out and do a lap of the local fields” has now become “20-30 is average, and I’d hate tho think I’m average so I’m off for a 4 hour ride over the tops”.
I think that was always likely to happen, especially when the weather improved. As individuals, we are all likely to keep "stretching" the definition and as a group, we see what others are doing and think "if it's good enough for them". It's also (probably) not helped at the more competitive end of things if you see folk you might soon be racing against getting in some proper training.
I’d hate tho think I’m average so I’m off for a 4 hour ride over the tops”.
A 4 hour ride over the tops would probably offer less chance of spreading the virus than if you rode around the street you live in for 30 minutes.
seosamh77 - No worries - more missed nuance 'cos of text conversation
Yup riding from my door. I don't own a car! Also as you said modified my routes to see less people by not going on the towpath, old railway etc.
Squirrelking
Never more than 7 miles from home, full toolkit with me. Once or twice in 40 years have I had to walk home from a ride
One hour is not in the guidance
I have just been out for a few miles around the streets. constantly having to go into the middle of the road to avoid pedestrians leading to a couple of angry muppets in cars, also lots of cars passing less than 2 m with windows open.
Its actually really difficult to take any exercise round here without getting within 2 m multiple times. Remember I live right in a densely populated city.
Watching Strava and STW it does seem that 2-3 weeks ago people were saying “well 20-30 miles is Ok as an exception for roadies who normally do 90 mile club runs on a sunday, the rest of us can get the cross bike out and do a lap of the local fields” has now become “20-30 is average, and I’d hate tho think I’m average so I’m off for a 4 hour ride over the tops”.
My longest has been 60km today, mostly I've been riding with my son and doing "my" riding on the turbo. Some people I follow on Strava have done up to 160km and are doing 70km + almost daily. I think thats taking the piss tbh but then a lot of people would think an hour and a half with a 9 year old is too, so I try not to judge.
@tjagain
But South Queensferry is 8.34 miles as the crow flies and Musselburgh ash lagoons are 7.42 miles.
My chain skipped on the way to work last September and sent me out the front door on the way to a missing front tooth. I now ride a single speed.
It was glorious out there today. A fine day for cycling responsibly.
What about people who are outside, but clearly not exercising? The ones who are walking at 2mph, or cycling at 8mph?
Not to mention e-bikists <ducks>
spiralking, tell us how cycling a few more miles on deserted roads (Edinburgh’s aren’t) gives any increased risk of transmission?
Because it's the chance of coming into contact with someone else, either through misadventure or by the trail of grot you or someone else has left behind that can spread the virus to places it wasn't present before. But if you have a problem I suggest you take it up with the government, it's their guidance, not mine.
You can do a 30 mile loop and never be 5 miles from home, 20 miles can be done in a 3 mile radius, a 10 mile loop can be done in less than 2.
That was my point.
Squirrelking
Never more than 7 miles from home, full toolkit with me. Once or twice in 40 years have I had to walk home from a ride
Apologies, that wasn't how I'd read it.
Bikepawl. I stand corrected, Apologies,
But if you have a problem I suggest you take it up with the government, it’s their guidance, not mine.
No, it's only you and your smug self righteousness... unless you can prove otherwise?
That doesn't answer the question I asked, which was:
tell us how cycling a few more miles on deserted roads (Edinburgh’s aren’t) gives any increased risk of transmission?
Christ, this started as a rider actually making a decent post to point out the realities of cycling during a pandemic.
Now it's just got into personal insults. There is enough crap going on out there at the moment can't we keep it a bit nicer in here?
So.. I'm more curious as to how / why the cassette broke? Does the op have giga watt legs? Did the lock ring fall off? Is the free hub made of soft cheese?
Wear do people stand on a 2 hour ride in the evening then a bivi (in remote hills on a safe double track) with a 2 hr ride back they will not see a soul or leave a trace ,just asking for a friend?
TBH I'm a "conflicted" on the bivvy idea. I could easily ride for less than an hour, bivvy, then ride back. It just doesn't sit right with me. Seems it would definitely fall into the recreation-not-exercise definition. But then how much different is it from me riding, bivvying in my garden then riding next morning? Practically, not at all.
As long as you wiped your shared second home down with anti-bac wipes I don't see a problem with bivvying. edit: nor break anything to leave trip hazards.
Watching Strava and STW it does seem that 2-3 weeks ago people were saying “well 20-30 miles is Ok as an exceWatching Strava and STW it does seem that 2-3 weeks ago people were saying “well 20-30 miles is Ok as an exception for roadies who normally do 90 mile club runs on a sunday, the rest of us can get the cross bike out and do a lap of the local fields” has now become “20-30 is average, and I’d hate tho think I’m average so I’m off for a 4 hour ride over the tops”.
It also doesn’t help when there’s posts in the Bike forum with titles such as;
“Dark side riding best it’s ever been”
And...
“Has there ever been a better time to ride a bike?”
So.. I’m more curious as to how / why the cassette broke? Does the op have giga watt legs? Did the lock ring fall off? Is the free hub made of soft cheese?
I’m with you mate.
Something doesn’t ring true.
I think the OP might have cognitive dissonance
Wear do people stand on a 2 hour ride in the evening then a bivi (in remote hills on a safe double track) with a 2 hr ride back they will not see a soul or leave a trace ,just asking for a friend?
In terms of actual risk of Covid transmission probably not significant.
In terms of sending a confusing message about what is acceptable - and thinking that your situation is a special case - not OK. It’s little different to someone saying they can walk 2 miles to a park/beach have a picnic on their own and walk back.
In terms of the law - I can’t see how you can argue it is a reasonable excuse. When in your bivvy you are outside your home, not exercising and not doing any of the other 12 defenses for being outside your home.
I was appalled to see the map of street parties etc, absolute muppets. I shot into the shop/petrol station at 7.30 this morning on the assumption that it has been cleaned, is the least likely time to run into someone having to work and buying fuel, the barbecuing superspreaders will all be farting and sleeping it off. My neighbour is coughing like a beagle and he doesn't even smoke. I hear him going out at least once a day and people knocking on the door. You can be confident that these self-entitled, air-headed ignoramuses are all around out there. Make no assumptions and keep a very wide berth.
Wear do people stand on a 2 hour ride in the evening then a bivi (in remote hills on a safe double track) with a 2 hr ride back they will not see a soul or leave a trace ,
As above, its a bit like saying driving at 60 in a 30 zone is ok if its the middle of the night and no ones around. Yes from a risk point of view its fine, from a ethical point of view its wrong imo.
A 4 hour ride over the tops would probably offer less chance of spreading the virus than if you rode around the street you live in for 30 minutes.
Devil's advocate: it's still an incremental risk. You ride for 30minutes through the area to get out of it, then anyone you pass on the singletrack, or corner you lean into is an incremental risk of passing it on or ending up in A&E.
Weirdly my local 'loop' is out through the fields, farms, and villages and I've never seen the byways so busy with people walking. I commuted that way for years and saw almost no one. But the return leg I come back through a series of suburban parks/woods, greenbelt between industrial estates, the sort of paths where people actually normally walk their dogs for an hour and they're completely deserted!
Have to go out twice a day to feed and water the horses (about the only time I've been glad of the buggers!) and it's been great seeing so few cars and so many normal people out cycling. An amusing selection of old helmets clearly dragged from the depths of the shed and planked on peoples heads.
Quite a few serious roadies but definitely less than I would normally see. Despite that I still reckon I saw more people cycling than people driving today! Have had the local village people on Facebook complaining about the speed and even producing "articles" demonstrating that cyclists spread virus wider than walkers. Ignore and move on I'm afraid as will never change their minds.