[Closed] Please Help What can I do?

er don't let him get on a boat?

You know what, I just don't know, and believe me when I say I've seen the same pics and asked myself the same question.

What I do feel is that there seems to be an attitude change from "keep them foreigners out of our country" to "these people need help, lets help them".

We need to address the problem at source, which is of course the media printing sensationalist bullshit with impunity. Headline on one of the tabloids yesterday (The Express? Maybe) was, paraphrasing, "UK population set to rise by 2.1bn due to immigration."

Not saying "immigrants" when we mean "refugees" might be a nice gentle starting point.

There will be some charities or other organisations in your local area who will be helping people already here. You can help them either financially or by volunteering.

Check http://www.refugee-action.org.uk/ for stuff near you.

Up here in Glasgow we have things like http://sdv.org.uk/ where you can donate or volunteer to personally help detainees.

You know what, I just don't know, and believe me when I say I've seen the same pics and asked myself the same question.

What I do feel is that there seems to be an attitude change from "keep them foreigners out of our country" to "these people need help, lets help them".

This basically.
However, the cause of this mass exodus from the middle east needs to be addressed, otherwise this will be going on for the next 20 years...

I'm probably going to get blasted BUT when we've sorted our own crap out in this country first - homelessness, poverty, etc then we can worry about the rest.
When we have ex-servicemen on the streets unable to eat, millions being given in aid that never reaches anywhere but foodbanks running dry here, etc how about the governments kicking the other up the arse instead of just paying them off....

I'm not saying they don't need help - but when we aren't helping our own the priorities are massivley screwed

I'm probably going to get blasted BUT when we've sorted our own crap out in this country first - homelessness, poverty, etc then we can worry about the rest.
When we have ex-servicemen on the streets unable to eat, millions being given in aid that never reaches anywhere but foodbanks running dry here, etc how about the governments kicking the other up the arse instead of just paying them off....

I'm not saying they don't need help - but when we aren't helping our own the priorities are massivley screwed

I kind of agree - and think we should start with the overseas aid budget - quite why we are giving millions to India, a country which has a space program is beyond me...

[i]I'm not saying they don't need help - but when we aren't helping our own the priorities are massivley screwed [/i]

Well 'our own' aren't trying to escape a war torn country.

Many of "Our Own" are in the state they are in because they fought to free war torn countries and in doing so got injured, got let go and then got let down by the very government that sent them there.
Ever heard the phrase "charity begins at home"?

I'm probably going to get blasted BUT when we've sorted our own crap out in this country first

IMO That is just an excuse to do nothing. Our own country will never be problem free, no matter how much money you throw at it. Doesn't stop us helping others in the mean time.

Plus we have a moral responsibility as our previous government created a lot of instability in the ME, then just buggered off home saying 'job done'. We are reaping what we sowed.

horrific pic (opened during lunch without reading the link text)

but...

From what I can see even if the UK had an open door policy to every refugee/migrant who turned up on its shores, that little child would still be dead

Unless you send over a big boat thats seaworthy to collect everyone, then this unfortunately is the reality whilst people are desperate to leave these countries

But with the kids issue. If in the UK... you have problems, ok. .but your kids will still have access to health care and schooling. You have to really really really really **** up for your kids to be left hanging. But this Boy was pretty much dead the moment he was born his parents probably tried everything for him.
....
Somehow I reckon we caused it by bombing Syria without a plan just to keep the US happyish...
we probably never really wanted to we just did it.
.....
Ok we don't really appreciate our old service men but they decide to do what they do; and have enough info
to understand that no-onecares afterwards.
....
This is pretty much the worst thing I have ever seen.

"Charity begins at home, but should not end there."

Interesting how often people chop the second part off.

hammyuk - Member
Ever heard the phrase "charity begins at home"?

Yes, it's a phrase, not a universal law.

Waiting for the issues you refer to to be sorted...might never happen.

The numbers of folk you refer to are tiny in comparison and most have it way better than these refugees.

hammyuk - Member
I'm probably going to get blasted BUT when we've sorted our own crap out in this country first - homelessness, poverty, etc then we can worry about the rest.
When we have ex-servicemen on the streets unable to eat, millions being given in aid that never reaches anywhere but foodbanks running dry here, etc how about the governments kicking the other up the arse instead of just paying them off....

I'm not saying they don't need help - but when we aren't helping our own the priorities are massivley screwed

You have a point 😕

I have a similarish looking boy to the one in the photo. Whether or not it make it more poignant I don't know, but this is certainly one of the most shocking images I've seen.

While the media in England are pretty anti-immigration at the moment, I do sit near hammyuk's point of view. There are homeless and starving in this country and we don't have the resources to look after them. Accepting refugees is simply putting a plaster on a massive wound. We need to be addressing the issues which make these people risk their family's safety to flee to the UK.

I wish I had the answers.

Anyone else get the feeling that all this is the start of the end of days or WW3? all the unrest in the middle east, in the areas formly known as iraq and syria and with all the the refugees heading this way, it's like the start of hollywood disaster blockbuster.

edit: just looked at the picture, oh little dude sweet dreams my little pal. I agree with the paper people should see pictures like that more often.

'our own' equals human beings to me. What difference does it make where you happen to be born? We are giving people overseas aid because they need it and some will die without it. Yes there are problems here but they are pretty small in world terms and we have a welfare state and excellent health service that is picking up most of the pieces. The fact that a few fall through the gaps isn't an excuse to do nothing to help others

Why did I look at that mid surgery.
Now I'm going to have to blame hayfever or something 🙁

DrP

'our own' equals human beings to me. What difference does it make where you happen to be born?

Exactly.

What is this attitude that unless we can make everything perfect in one fell swoop then do nothing? An excuse to do nothing.

Just help to make one person's life a little more tolerable. If not a refugee, then yes a homeless person, or someone who is struggling day to day.

We DO have the resources to help them. Look at the bikes we ride, the cars we drive, the phones we 'must have'.

Not an excuse to do nothing Footflaps - BUT how are we in a position to be dishing out £billions to others when we can't find the funds to help those here?
None of us expect this country to be problem free - the arseholes in Westminster will always see to that however there is no excuse for having people on the streets here who have lost everything including body parts, others giving away food to foodbanks so others can eat because their wages don't cover the basic essentials, families being put into ridiculously overpriced private accommodation/bedsits/hotels because there is no more housing stock - the housing stock that is full. The housing stock that has overseas migrants and refugees being leapfrogged to the top of the list over those here.
That isn't acceptable and certainly wouldn't happen anywhere else in the world.
Thats how stupid this country has become - I'll give you an example:
Having sat in a branch of a high street bank a number of years ago being told I couldn't have a bank account because I had no credit history - in other words I'd never owed anyone a penny, never borrowed, never loaned.
To add to that we'd been told we were not eligible for Tax credits either due to always being self employed after being medically discharged out of the Forces without anything.
To then be insulted by the table next to me whose interpreter had a letter from the council stating that the bank WILL open an account in their name so their housing benefit, child tax credit and "working" tax credit could be paid into it. That said account WILL have a £500 overdraft to ensure they had access to funds whilst their application was going through for a council house.
Their temporary address was the local Raddison hotel and the bank would be advised of their new council house's address within 7 days.
Just so its clear - I have no issues with a genuine refugee, anyone coming here to genuinely work hard, pay tax, etc.
However when this family were neither of the above but had moved here from India so they could be near their son, did not have jobs and were not planning on getting one until they had decided IF they liked it in london - too right I got arsey over it!

hammyuk - Member
The housing stock that has overseas migrants and refugees being leapfrogged to the top of the list over those here.

Oh dear...I stopped reading at this point.

Is that a cut and paste from the daily mail? We can afford billions on overseas aid. Just because you once saw someone on benefits with an iPhone doesn't mean we should be letting children die.

We tend to see too much of the 20-40yr old male "economic migrants" on the rampage in the media, and not enough of the heart-breaking back stories from images like this one. He reminds me of my little grandson when he's fallen asleep playing. But neither he nor his little brothers and sisters are going to wake up, are they? Kids should not be dying terrified and alone because Europe (including the UK) cannot see beyond begrudging benefit payments to a few less deserving cases. I'm at a loss to know what to do to help; but like the OP, I need to do something.

someone else has said what I was thinking, who are the "our own" we must help first?

What does that even mean? I despair at this recent human obsession with nationhood, what possible good can come from dividing people by the random chance of birth location. Its no better than skin colour or religion. Judge people on their actions, not who they are.

I assume its the image I've seen on facebook, I can't look again.

I think comparing the problems we have in the UK to those depicted in those pictures is a tad tasteless. Every child in the UK has access to education and healthcare, only a tiny, tiny minority would consider boarding a knackered old boat to another country.

The long term answer to so fix the cause of the problem and remove the reason that people want/need to leave. The short term answer is as difficult, how do we help millions of peoples whose home land is so messed up that they will board an boat to an unknown country with nothing to their name and a very real chance they'll die on the way?

I still really don't know.

Edit.

The housing stock that has overseas migrants and refugees being leapfrogged to the top of the list over those here.

And

I have no issues with a genuine refugee, anyone coming here to genuinely work hard, pay tax, etc.

To get back on topic, another thought for the OP. Locally we have a couple of community bike workshops who take in donated bikes, parts etc, spruce them up and give them to detainees or refugees. Some also welcome volunteers if you're handy with a spanner.

Feeagent has made some good points. This is only the tip of the iceberg it will get worse.

Who in the UK government has any answers? ... nobody ... not our problem ... but it is!

We... the 'United Kingdom' should want to make it our problem and solve it!

To get back on topic, another thought for the OP. Locally we have a couple of community bike workshops who take in donated bikes, parts etc, spruce them up and give them to detainees or refugees. Some also welcome volunteers if you're handy with a spanner.

Without wanting to sound mean, how will this be of any benefit? I know its well intentioned but do these detainees and refugees need bikes?

Without wanting to sound mean, how will this be of any benefit? I know its well intentioned but do these detainees and refugees need bikes?

It's free transport, or toys for the kids, as well as a point of contact with the community. One here in Glasgow operates in conjunction with a drop-in centre.

the difference between a refugee and an economic migrant

What difference? One might die early from war, the other dies early from a lack of health care and clean drinking water.

Without wanting to sound mean, how will this be of any benefit? I know its well intentioned but do these detainees and refugees need bikes?
It's free transport, or toys for the kids, as well as a point of contact with the community. One here in Glasgow operates in conjunction with a drop-in centre.

There are homeless and starving in this country and we don't have the resources to look after them.

Sure we do, many times over.

We just spunk it on buying new nuclear submarines and other rubbish instead.

Any suggestion that the 5th richest country in the world* can't afford to provide basic food and shelter for all its citizens and many more besides is so far beyond ridiculous I don't know what to say.

*or is it 6th now? Whatever.

i cant begin to imagine what it must be like getting on one of those boats, trying to settle and reassure your children, knowing how dangerous and uncertain the journey is going to be but knowing also that to stay is more dangerous and hopeless for them 😥

What difference? One might die early from war, the other dies early from a lack of health care and clean drinking water.

A quick Google reveals:
[i]Refugee - a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

Economic Migrant - a person who travels from one country or area to another in order to improve their standard of living.

Migrant Worker - a person who moves from place to place to get work.[/i]

We are dealing with mainly refugee's here, they are escaping a war torn country. There are undoubtedly some economic migrants and some migrant workers too. What they are not (well, not in any numbers anyway) are people coming to "sponge our benefits" or any other such Daily Mail phrase. These people are moving to make a better life for them and their children. And we are attacking them for doing so. It's disgusting frankly.

would it be possible to call for a cross party debate on the issue??
anyone an expert on this?

I'm probably going to get blasted BUT when we've sorted our own crap out in this country first - homelessness, poverty, etc then we can worry about the rest.

Yep, when we've sorted out the families fleeing barrel bombs, or from ISIS sadists, in this country, then we can help the Syrians.

Right. Sorted.

Now - about answering the OP's point?

That link made me cry.

Goes alongside Cameron just announcing he doesn't want to officially reach out and take in more people fleeing bad places. Sorry, but he's a ****. That's what you get when you vote Tory....

We are dealing with mainly refugee's here, they are escaping a war torn country. There are undoubtedly some economic migrants and some migrant workers too.

This.
And (partly thanks to the scumbag media in this country) the general public can't differentiate between them.
I personally think we should be a doing a bit more to keep economic migrants out of the UK at the moment - if for no other reason but to allow us to help 'genuine' refugees.

That's what you get when you vote Tory....

If only Tony Blair were still in charge eh..

I personally think we should be a doing a bit more to keep economic migrants out of the UK at the moment - if for no other reason but to allow us to help 'genuine' refugees.

Free agent - I must have missed Blair saying he doesn't want to take in more this week. Can you show me where he said that?

Free agent - I must have missed Blair saying he doesn't want to take in more this week. Can you show me where he said that?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/iceland/11835537/10000-Icelanders-offer-to-house-Syrian-refugees-after-authors-call.html

[i]"I'm a single mother with a 6-year-old son... We can take a child in need. I'm a teacher and would teach the child to speak, read and write Icelandic and adjust to Icelandic society. We have clothes, a bed, toys and everything a child needs. I would of course pay for the airplane ticket," wrote Hekla Stefansdottir in a post.[/i]

-that made me feel like a coward for not doing more

I agree with you entirely but politically that's seriously brave. An economic migrant and a migrant worker who want to build themselves a better life, likely by working and "contributing to the economy" are exactly what the press embrace.

Yep, probably political suicide, however Australia appears to manage it reasonably well.

I heard a quite interesting feature on R4 a few weeks back where they were interviewing 'migrants' in the camps near Calais.
Every single one of them said they wanted to get to the UK for the same reason, and that was so they could work in the 'black economy' which is apparently easier here due to us not having national ID cards.
The idea that they all turn up in Dover and immediately claim £25k a year in benefits is complete fiction (although a bit of this may have gone on a few years ago)

This is such a terrible situation, however I do feel that we (we Tony Blair and George Bush) played a reasonable part in causing it.

Any suggestion that the 5th richest country in the world* can't afford to provide basic food and shelter for all its citizens and many more besides is so far beyond ridiculous I don't know what to say.

Quite. It's not that we can't, it's that we won't. We'd rather blame people with a tan coming over and stealing our jobs whilst quietly sticking our moat-cleaning bills on expenses. So instead we appease our guilt by occasionally looking at pictures on the Internet and feeling a bit sad about it. It's a masterclass in misdirection.

Sadly, other than the Guy Fawkes Imperative and arming the IPSO with weapons of mass destruction I'm not sure what the answer is.

Freeagent - I must have missed Blair saying he doesn't want to take in more this week. Can you show me where he said that?

[b]He didn't, but he did go to war in Iraq and helped light this tinderbox.[/b]

This is exactly what I was getting at..

I think you've missed the point I was making with my response to Freeagent (not your fault).I'm very aware of what Blair and has done in the world...he's a **** too.

[quote> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/iceland/11835537/10000-Icelanders-offer-to-house-Syrian-refugees-after-authors-call.html

"I'm a single mother with a 6-year-old son... We can take a child in need. I'm a teacher and would teach the child to speak, read and write Icelandic and adjust to Icelandic society. We have clothes, a bed, toys and everything a child needs. I would of course pay for the airplane ticket," wrote Hekla Stefansdottir in a post.

-that made me feel like a coward for not doing more

I think we could (and probably should) offer to do the same..
2 spare rooms, two young kids who would make great older sisters, etc.
Not sure exactly how you'd go about it though.

edenvalleyboy - Member

I think you've missed the point I was making with my response to Freeagent (not your fault).I'm very aware of what Blair and has done in the world...he's a * too.

I'm well aware Cameron is a *, but I'm not convinced any UK political leader (in a position of power) would say much different at the moment (Labour can say what they like - people have another 4 1/2 years to forget it)

as others have pointed out, there appears to be a lot of cross talk and confusion between refugee's, economic migrants and migrant workers.

what we are talking about here is refugees fleeing from oppressive regimes with horrendous human rights records and where the alternative is religious fundamentalists that torture and kill the population - no much of a choice is it and no wonder they will willingly take their life in their hands to leave, what choice do they have.

if you want to help, sacrifice spending the next £xx on the shiny YY part you "need" for you bike and donate the money to a reputable charity appeal such as the below (not the only one in town)

it won't solve the problem, but it will make a difference and rleive suffering - stop making excuses

https://donate.oxfam.org.uk/emergency/syria

There are more politiancs and parties than just Labour and Conservative (who are essentially all subscribing to the neo-liberalist agenda). We do have choices to change the thinking of this country (and potentially be more accepting of issues like the people crisis going on now)- but hegemony makes it difficult.

To differentiate between refugees from conflict and those who want to move for economic reasons is near nigh impossible . Where do you draw the line?
(probably around the Turkish border and across the med?)
I would bet that many in this country have an element of sympathy for refugees but not economic migrants. If we were not under pressure from the latter there might be more sympathy for the former.

To those who feel strongly about this or any other issue I say go ahead and do something. I am sure that your efforts will be appreciated. However what is so very wrong is to try to pretend that to do so is the wish of everyone. It isn't. To try to pretend that anyone who doesn't want to help is bad is also wrong.
It is terrible that anyone should suffer in this way but no one has the right to suggest that others should have the same sympathy as themself. It would be polite at the least to prefix many of the above comments with "in my opinion" and not try to impose selfish/self indulgent views on others. Bit like the helmet debate really.

Whilst I am moaning would people stop trying to slap their left wing moaning onto rather more important topics.
Ever noticed that its the so called goody two shoes, social minded, kind hearted socialists who preach consideration for all, who are the least considerate of other peoples views?
If you want to have a go at UK politicians start your own topic.

When I suggested that individuals do something I was on the lines of spend your won money first.

Mattsccm, in the spirit of this thread I would happily devote say an hour a week to help you with your English comprehension, reasoning skills, and perhaps a primer on human rights.

bencooper - Member
There are homeless and starving in this country and we don't have the resources to look after them.
Sure we do, many times over.

We just spunk it on buying new nuclear submarines and other rubbish instead.

Any suggestion that the 5th richest country in the world* can't afford to provide basic food and shelter for all its citizens and many more besides is so far beyond ridiculous I don't know what to say.

*or is it 6th now? Whatever.

I'll cut and paste this as it says exactly what I wanted to.

Mattscm - I'm proud to be the person in your second from last paragraph. The opposite would be a heartless, mean spirited do-badder...

To try to pretend that anyone who doesn't want to help is bad is also wrong.

**** that, if you see the body of a child washed up on the beach knowing that thousands of others face the same perils fleeing their homeland and don't want to do something to prevent that happening then you're a bad person.

You may feel powerless, you may feel frightened, you not know what you can do, you may just be so apathetic or desensitised that the moment washes past you but if you don't [i]want[/i] to help that child in that split second then you're lacking in basic human compassion.

I would bet that many in this country have an element of sympathy for refugees but not economic migrants. If we were not under pressure from the latter there might be more sympathy for the former.

I'd bet that many in this country would have more sympathy for the former if we stopped bundling them all together as "immigrants" and demonising the lot of them.

I think we need to start with an empathy transplant for folk who can see that and then prioritise our "first world " suffering

So many of the internet users fail the Turing Test as they lack basic human decency

I would gladly open up my home to a family fleeing war to offer them shelter and security. They could have a roof over their heads, warmth and food whilst figuring out what needs to be done to sort out their future (claiming asylum, visas etc). I suspect it is not as simple as that though and there would be much red tape to go through if indeed this is currently even legal. I would be interested in knowing how to go about this if anyone knew where I could find out the details.

This is an international crisis in which the wealthy of the world have played the largest hand in creating. It is time for the UN to declare a worldwide state of emergency and get this shit sorted out. If the wealthy of the world need to cough up some of our cash to do so then so be it.

Why can't a secure zone be established and run by the UN nearer where these people are running from. I've seen hotels and student accommodation being built up in a few days from converted shipping containers. God knows there are enough of them about and plenty of ships to transport them also. If these people had a centralised place of safety to go to, they could then apply to the country that they wanted to resettle in.

Collectively the people of this world who are sitting comfortably in their war free homes sucking up the worlds diminishing resources have some tough decisions to make, this current problem is only going to get worse until we get into a state of world war. By then it will be too late to sort out.

Those pictures are just about the most heartbreaking thing I've ever seen. We caused that and we're doing nothing about it. I've got a family and a comfortable life which I don't deserve any more than that little boy or his family did. I got lucky and was born here, that's it.

Politics usually gets me angry, but this just makes me feel hopeless and ashamed.

Write to your MP engage with them and make them aware that "THIS SHALL NOT STAND". The more of us that do this the better the chance of a change in approach.
When the sea-change happens in parliament happens and Murdoch et al start laying into the MPs in the press they can point to the correspondence as to why we have a new policy.
Please write, especially if your MP is Conservative.

The lack of humanity shown by Cameron and some of his cronies in TV interviews really reinforces their image as the nasty party. People are fleeing for their lives from an evil regime and the world needs to show compassion and provide real help not platitudes.

We are in Germany and is a little different as shown on the BBC...

Apartments are being built in our village, full on construction not temporary.....

We have just signed up as volunteers to help as has a lot of the village. Early days but let's see...

Ever noticed that its the so called goody two shoes, social minded, kind hearted socialists who preach consideration for all, who are the least considerate of other peoples views?

Yes, because caring about someone's feelings is exactly the same as caring about whether they live or die. We're talking about consideration of human lives here, and you're worried that some people's views are being disrespected?

Dont know if these petitions help but..

https://www.change.org/p/rt-hon-theresa-may-mp-no-more-drownings-immediate-sanctury-for-those-fleeing-from-war?recruiter=22238713&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=des-lg-share_petition-no_msg&fb_ref=Default

and some ideas about what you can do to help..
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/5-practical-ways-you-can-help-refugees-trying-to-find-safety-in-europe-10482902.html

as others have mentioned in this thread i have the ability to house at least some of those in need.
i like many in this country lead a decadent life - i rent a 3 bed house that is empty other than me!
ffs that is embarrassing while looking at these pictures.

there is an asylum office down the road from me, (there is one in most cities i guess) im going to ring them tomorrow to see if i can help. im sure there will be a load of red tape hassle but there are children crossing the med on leaky boats and i can't watch that unfolding without trying to help

imagine the horror they are fleeing that makes them load their children into those boats 😥

Looking into ways we could take in refugees here - looks like there will be some local organisation to help facilitate this hopefully.

There are homeless and starving in this country and we don't have the resources to look after them.

Amazing that people have swallowed this utter nonsense. We all sit here posting about our expensive mountain bikes probably on iPads and iPhones that none of us really need and claim that we 'can't afford' basic human decency. Hmm....

Amazing that people have swallowed this utter nonsense. We all sit here posting about our expensive mountain bikes probably on iPads and iPhones that none of us really need and claim that we 'can't afford' basic human decency. Hmm....

we lack the will not the money

UK always seems the furthest to get to for some of the refugees, passing through others who could accept them, but don't. Do they do this because the likes of UK are comparitively easy to "get in to" and slip under the radar?

Our lovely Australia was in the news recently as it seems the navy were paying boat owners to turn around and take people back.

Greed causes inequality and when you have inequality occasionally the have nots will pop up and trouble our consciences, they'll go away after a while though and you can buy a new Audi which will make it alright again.

The only solution is long term and starts at elections, the results of which suggest we don't actualy care that much.

I had to walk out of a conversation at work yesterday because of the vial comments people were making. The ignorance of some people is staggereing, I'm known as a massively laid back person but this is really getting to me, glad some posts have been put up for what 'the little man' like me can do, but I worry that it's gone to far. The planet is broken and it's all our fault.

IdleJon - Member
bencooper - Member
There are homeless and starving in this country and we don't have the resources to look after them.
Sure we do, many times over.
We just spunk it on buying new nuclear submarines and other rubbish instead.

Any suggestion that the 5th richest country in the world* can't afford to provide basic food and shelter for all its citizens and many more besides is so far beyond ridiculous I don't know what to say.

*or is it 6th now? Whatever.

I'll cut and paste this as it says exactly what I wanted to.

Me too.

Let the bleeding heart landlords on here open their doors to homing some of the people in that case?
spare room? Take one in.

make no mistake, when these people have got their feet under the table they will want to turn this country into a replica of the place they fled.

The problem needs to be stopped at source.
its a stealth IS invasion.
how do you think they feel? They will be clapping their hands.
Let migrants settle, give them benefits, voting etc, then send the radical preachers in.

as others say, this country needs to look after itself first.
Where is your outrage for our homeless in this country?

Think I've heard those comments before, around 1939, bloke with a 'tash talking about the Jewish invading Europe.

Let the bleeding heart landlords on here open their doors to homing some of the people in that case?
spare room? Take one in.

Yup, happy to - we've got a room that could be converted to take a couple of people or a young family, if they can get here.

make no mistake, when these people have got their feet under the table they will want to turn this country into a replica of the place they fled.

This was the Lonely Planet entry for Homs in 2008:

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This is Homs now:

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Which version are they going to turn the UK into?

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

its a stealth IS invasion.

On that basis the Jews fleeing Hitler were Nazis.

In answer to the OP's question:

Get out on the streets and persuade your government that the 4 million allotted to improving security in Calais would be better spent on welcoming refugees.

Which version are they going to turn the UK into?

Ive not been to Homs but have visited Damascus. It is official state policy to blame ze jews for all their problems, and the average Syrian retains these views (although the Christian Syrians do not for the most part share these views).

It I were a UK Jew I'd be concerned over continued mass immigration from Muslim countries. Although I understand from what I've read by others on here about Israel that they'd think that a good thing.