[Closed] Planning a kichen..would you put a cooker or sink on an island?

we had cooker in an island in a house we built, the extractor fan was a nightmare and I constantly banged my head on it, great place to cook though, if you go for it do some research and get advice on best extractor fan.

ceiling mounted extractors are fine.
how big will the island be?
raised breakfast bars above the level of the island work surface don't work in my opinion

Wurst world problems.

What neanderthal fries sausages anyhow?!

Having a hob and cooker in an island is definitely the way to go. Our extractor is very good (baumatic) and a bit of a feature (albeit simple)

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I have a set up similar to glodge and the floor does get spattered when frying. Our extractor is hidden in the ceiling - just a small grid in the ceiling and a powerful remote fan - works fine

Having a hob and cooker in an island is definitely the way to go. Our extractor is very good (baumatic) and a bit of a feature (albeit simple)

I've been planning our new kitchen for what seems like years!

We will be having a large island, which will be my main prep space, and a 4 person seating area, but no cooker or sink, they will both be on the wall behind, away from where the guests will sit. The range and sink are 1.3m apart, with the space between being the dirty side of the sink. Also put your bin and dishwasher either side of the sink.

Cheers for the input..I was looking at the 'flat mounted' ceiling extractor fans, so as to not hit head nor block view.

The size/layout of the kitchen is all on paper/mind at present, but was thinking of a (roughly) 1500x1000 for the island, with about 30cm of the longest side being raised as a breakfast bar.. Then i can have plug sockets on the 'step up' side (the side facing the hob)..

I think I'll push on with the cooker island idea 🙂

DrP

Just looking into the idea as well and have been advised not to put a sink in the island, mainly because unless you wash up immediately you'll have dirty cooking materials as part of the centrepiece of your kitchen. Cooker/hob would be fine though.

Have you looked at downdraft ventilation? Depends on budget but if using induction downdraft works well.

I did neither, and kept it uncluttered as a breakfast bar - see [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/show-me-yourcorian ]a pic. in this thread. [/url] Constructed entirely from Corian for quick assembly (& wallet-emptying). Fridge & Freezer units on the other side.

Cooking breakfast while/where the children are eating? Knocked over glass of squash in the hob?
Napkin in the gas flame (you do lay the breakfast bar properly, don't you? 😉 )

We have an island with an induction hob and a flush mounted ceiling extractor fan (falmec). My experience re splatter isn't too bad - using the cooking fields away from the edge the splatter doesn't reach the floor, and no splatter marks on the ceiling (kitchen fitted just over a year ago). We didn't raise the worktop where the "seating area" is and so far no disasters with a four year old sitting there 🙂

A few years ago we completely changed our kitchen and put an island in the middle. We've got a 5 ring induction job in the island with 3 large pan drawers under it. The oven is on a different wall and built in with a cupboard above it and 2 drawers under it. Didn't fancy the sink on the island.

Just bear in mind what floor you have - we still moved our sink even though not relocating in the island and we had a solid concrete floor. A fair amount of disc cutting had to be done to get power to the island and move the sink waste.

In terms of sockets on the island we've got a pop up socket that slides down under the work surface. Love that.

We don't have a raised breakfast bar bit, we just carried on the work surface past the edge of the cupboards so there's a 30cm overhang. Got 2 stills that fit under that and it's great. Got led spot lighting under the overhsnf that matches the under cabinet lighting round the rest of the kitchen.

If you put a sink in an island, then fill it with water, is it still an island?

No it's a lagoon obvs

I've got a sink in an island and indeed, you do tend to get a clutter of dirty stuff around it while cooking. I tend to wash up / load dishwasher now as I go along, which actually I'm fine with as normally there's only a couple of plate / the last pan when I finish dinner to sort out!

I would happily put a cooker there as well, it just didn't work for my room.

If you put a sink in an island, then fill it with water, is it still an island?

If you put an upturned bowl in the sink of water in the island, it's a caldera!

Here is my island with coastal cooking and sink features. The island can be got rid of if wanted at a later date without leaving behind service terminations in the way. I didnt really think too hard about adding services to the island, extraction would have been a pain anyway. I prefer to prepare on the island, mainly as I built it 2" taller than standard worktop height which is more comfortable for me at 6'4" when working.

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We've built an island with a sink in it - works really well for us; though to avoid the accumulation of dirty stuff you do need to shove things straight in the dishwasher where possible. On the plus side it means you have to keep on top of the washing up ...

Running services can be interesting if you want to install a sink - luckily for us we had access to a crawl space under half the island and a house on a sloping site; otherwise we'd have been stuck with a pumped macerator/drain and having previously lived in a house with one I don't think they work well for kitchen sinks.

We had same dilemma and opted for island no cooker or sink.

This works well in the end, it's used as the main sitting area, eating breakfast, homework etc

Glad we didn't put the cooker or sink

Power socket is essential though

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We built an island without the sink or cooker. We also had it a bit lower than the usual as Mrs BigJohn found it the best height for rolling pastry etc. It works great, especially for rolling out massive sheets of strudel dough.

Saves a fortune on plumbing and extraction changes.

Saves a fortune on plumbing and extraction changes.

It cost hardly anything to plumb in in terms of material cost - depends if you know what you are doing though ! 🙂

I agree that the materials cost nowt. Getting the waste under a concrete floor, across and back up into the outside drain was going to be pricey.

I guess it depends how big the island unit is.
We're just looking at changing our kitchen (knocking through into another room and fitting bifold doors instead of the wall where the sink currently is).
The new kitchen would consist of a single 3.5m run of base and wall units with a large induction hob and extractor. The rest of the kitchen would simply be a 4.5m x 1.5m island that will house a pair of Miele ovens, the sink, dishwasher and a breakfast bar.
We generally don't have much stuff in the sink as it mostly goes straight into the dishwasher.
We know the kitchen guy very well and trust it will work - all I have to do is find the money to do it 🙁
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(ignore the Aga ..... certainly not having one of them!)

If you have plenty of space, have you considered 2 dishwashers? It means a whole roast can be tidied straight away.

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We put the sink on the island and extractor on outside wall, dishwasher is next round sink so waste and water easy. Ceiling height and joists meant we dismissed cooking on the island, bin is also on the island as mentioned above

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Friends of ours have their hob in the island and a flat mount ceiling extractor.

The ceiling is quite high, and the extractor has to be on full bore to do anything worthwhile - but it's so loud they can't have a conversation with it on.

The size/layout of the kitchen is all on paper/mind at present, but was thinking of a (roughly) 1500x1000 for the island, with about 30cm of the longest side being raised as a breakfast bar.. Then i can have plug sockets on the 'step up' side (the side facing the hob)..

Just extend the worktop similar to that picture just above - though I think you won't get a massive overhang - seem to recall 30cm was the max recommended unsupported overhang we could have with Silestone. Then get a popup plug (with USB!). Its more useful that way as additional working area, and you can get plenty of stools etc. that sit you at the correct level.

Ours is 2000mm long, we've got a 5 pan induction hob on it, so nice and flat when not in use. Personally I'd say 1500mm might be a touch too short for that combo.

We don't get that much splashing onto the worktops, though the large frying pan hob is in the centre so any frying/wok action doesn't tend to get past the bounds of the hob unit anyway.

I'll try and drag out some photos of ours if you want to see how it looks.

Don't forget you'll need some sort of 'drainer' unit if you have a sink otherwise the water (and your dishes!) could wash off onto the floor without a small sunken area to contain it.

We've got a lowered area that mimics the island size that the extractor fits flush into (needed that so the extractor ducting could go under a steel lintel) and I'm a lanky git and it doesn't affect me or the look. In fact it looks good because we've got LEDs in there and a pendant at the far end where the breakfast bar portion is so can zone it quite nicely.

Here's ours.

Hob on the island works well. I'd not have a sink on the basis that it does end up having clean or dirty washing up piled around it. When you clean up after a meal the island ends up looking tidy with a hob.

The extractor is effective - ours is a very good recirculation with big carbon filter. It was meant to be 100mm higher but wasn't enough internal space with the recirc kit. It does cut the room and means it's not as sociable as was meant to be for me when cooking. Better for katie who's shorter.

Don't overdo the breakfast bar element. We always eat at the table - the stools get used with a laptop or when we have visitors are we're cooking. 2 is enough. The cupboard next to the stools has a usb socket in it so can charge phones/ipads etc with them out of the way (or shut the door on the cable).

Undermount sink in Silestone might look slick but the draining grooves aren't really enough to drain water. If I was doing it again I'd have a smart sit on top sink and drainer.

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Is this secretly becoming a kitchen off? 😀

[I'm just jealous]

If I put an island in my kitchen/diner I'd lose the open plan feel of it which I'm greatly enjoying for messing around with the dogs and the kids

If I had a big enough space an island would be great. A removable one as per Stoner's advice is an excellent idea!