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We have May for another year. She sees her Brexit plan through, we suck it up while her despots plot for her successor in December 2019.
117 against, coat is still on a shoogly peg. Just a matter of time when defeated in brexit vote
We have May for another year. She sees her Brexit plan through, we suck it up while her despots plot for her successor in December 2019.
Not a certainty
Though I'm sure Andrew Neil is enjoying telling JRM He Lost
More confidence than people who voted her in. It counters the Labour argument about her support also.
Or is it a conspiracy to force her to fall on her own Brexit agreement sword...
117 against is another blow to her authority. She will continue on tho after all 'tis merely a flash wound
Zero chance of her deal getting through with up to 117 of her own Mps against her.
More confidence than people who voted her in. It counters the Labour argument about her support also.
199 vs 200? On that occasion she actually had a named opponent, at this point it was her or a massive constitutional crisis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election
Ouch. There goes any sort of deal then.
Still i suppose now we've got the certainty [of a no deal brexit] that we've been craving for the last 18 months.
Oh and not to go all Binners
Oh and not to go all Binners
It's a sorry state of affairs when we're hoping he might save us with a no confidence vote in the government.
He won't be tabling that until March 30th.
Wonder if she will boot out any of the 117 ? That would be funny. Boris first.
Better than losing a no confidence vote 172-40, I suppose.
It’s a sorry state of affairs when we’re hoping he might save us with a no confidence vote in the government.
He won’t be tabling that until March 30th.
I'd say there are several steps to go, she still has to bring her deal to a vote, it currently has zero chance of passing. This is a vote that needs to be passed before March.
Doesn't necessarily follow that the 117 who voted against her would automatically oppose the Brexit deal; equally the 200 for won't necessarily support it.
This was an issue of confidence; now she's won that I suspect there will be some of her opponents will see voting her deal down as effectively writing their own suicide note and change their side.
Still can't see she has the numbers to get it through though, so we're back where we were on Monday. Except Mogg and co now can be told to back her or vote themselves out of power.
Wonder if she will boot out any of the 117 ? That would be funny. Boris first.
On what authority?
117 against is another blow to her authority.
You've been listening to JRM. Meanwhile the 52/48 Brexit vote is a crushing victory.
Doesn’t necessarily follow that the 117 who voted against her would automatically oppose the Brexit deal; equally the 200 for won’t necessarily support it.
This. The Tories will now close ranks.
117 against is another blow to her authority.
You’ve been listening to JRM. Meanwhile the 52/48 Brexit vote is a crushing victory.
117 represents a lot of MP's, some of them will be cabinet ministers, she has lost plenty so far, every analyst who is not a TM loyalist says it's a big deal. She doesn't have a majority in parliament, the DUP are not 117 strong. She has some very big problems especially as her chances of bringing back anything other than a bit of a vague maybe are slim to none, how does this help her get her deal through parliament
We have May for another year. She sees her Brexit plan through, we suck it up while her despots plot for her successor in December 2019.
#wipesbrow
Phew, I mean... like man... that was exciting wasn’t it.
Punch and Judy played out with the #smallb british public at the heart of everyone’s cohesive mindset, not just those few who play out their egos in the public domain for all to see.
✌️🤷♂️
When it comes down to it, it’s just a bunch of no-hopers kicking sand in each other’s faces whilst waiting for their nappies to be changed and then fed from the bottle.
British Politics is quite frankly Bollox.
mikewsmith, yes she will lose the vote on the deal, she was always going to.
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More confidence than people who voted her in. It counters the Labour argument about her support also.
Not really. She still couldn't get them to vote for her deal, so she's just as lacking in support as she was yesterday.
The only real difference is that now the party's all tied to the mast- it's not May's Deal any more, they've backed her, it's the whol party's deal that's going to dismally fail.
117 of her own party having no confidence in her - thats a huge blow and in normal times would be immediately followed by a resignation. I cannot remember the numbers but Thatcher won her confidence vote but still resigned.
Nothing really has changed tho - she still has no chance of getting her deal thru parliament and the threat of a hard brexit is away as we know that the UK government can cancel a50 so she can no longer pretend " my deal or no deal" Enough tories have a vestige of sense that NO deal is nver going to happen - that will not get thru parliament either
Next chapter?
The dog ate my deal?
Oh that deal it's in my other bag.
Was that the fire alarm?
Such a good deal, an amazing deal, best deal ever, what you want to vote on it?
NO deal is nver going to happen – that will not get thru parliament either
No deal is the default if nothing else is agreed with the EU; Parliament approved it when they invoked Article 50.
The vote quantifies the numbers - 117 in favour of no deal, 200 soft-brexit or remainers - and keeps the choice of leader out of the hands of party members who'd probably vote for a hard Brexit candidate.
May's deal seems unlikely to pass; Parliament could propose a second referendum to resolve the stalemate. Corbyn is holding out for a General Election (which he's unlikely to get) probably to ensure the Conservatives own Brexit, and Labour don't support a second referendum, then it could be hard Brexit by default.
No deal is the default if nothing else is agreed with the EU; Parliament approved it when they invoked Article 50.
The vote quantifies the numbers – 117 in favour of no deal, 200 soft-brexit or remainers – and keeps the choice of leader out of the hands of party members who’d probably vote for a hard Brexit candidate.
No it really doesn't, it wasn't the question being asked there was it.
I cannot remember the numbers but Thatcher won her confidence vote but still resigned
got 54% I think (from R5 yesterday)
She doesn’t have a majority in parliament, the DUP are not 117 strong.
That's not really relevant - the 117 members of her party that voted against her in an internal vote is not at all representative of the number who would vote against her in parliamentary matters. They might for the current Brexit deal but then even the DUP aren't voting for that.
I would vote for her and vote against her deal.
A lot of her 200 won't necessarily be a general vote of confidence in her, as much as a vote of no confidence that anyone else would be able to do anything better and no confidence that a leadership scrap would be the best use of time right at the moment.
I love that 52% vs 48% is a decisive victory and that the "will of the people" must be followed yet 63% vs 37% is a narrow margin indicating a very high level of dissatisfaction.
I love that 52% vs 48% is a decisive victory and that the “will of the people” must be followed yet 63% vs 37% is a narrow margin indicating a very high level of dissatisfaction.
Well it's sort of true - most people know/knew exactly what they wanted so the 52% really is a demonstration of (weak) will. Most Tory MPs probably had no idea (or care more precisely) what the vote last night was about beyond being told they needed leave the oranges and gimp suits alone for a few more hours and to turn up, many of those 200 will have been trying to judge which way the wind is blowing and nothing more, the majority of the 117 actually want rid of her. (Note there were very few abstentions in practice despite indications to the contrary prior)
Odd isn’t it.
The British public already voted a “no confidence” vote in her and her party in the last election. She then bunged a bribe to the DUP, who have already voted a “ no confidence “ vote in her too.
It’s almost like she’s ignoring the will of the people 🤣
And where have we heard that before 🤔
The British public already voted a “no confidence” vote in her and her party in the last election
True but they voted even less confidence in any of the other options so really, she was voted least worst choice, her own party seem to have emphatically followed suit in that yesterday.
Less Mrs May and more Mrs Hobson if you will.
slowoldman
You’ve been listening to JRM. Meanwhile the 52/48 Brexit vote is a crushing victory.
Just occasionally, things Rees-Mogg says are actually true. This is one of them- she's survived this vote but it was still a kicking.