Grade 1 nutjob but what a music legacy.
Passed what?
gallstones
Covid gets another one. Got the Al Pacino film on my sky box, will give it a watch tonight, see what a nutter genius he really was.
convicted murderer dies in jail, any genius he might have had went out the window when he killed a woman and then made a mockery of it into the bargain with his hair bear bunch impression.
convicted murderer dies in jail, any genius he might have had went out the window when he killed a woman and then made a mockery of it into the bargain with his hair bear bunch impression.
Exactly. Lets not celebrate murders please. Feel like this thread should just be closed.
Not celebrating him as a person just the music he created.
just the music he created.
Surely Phil Spector was the very definition of "One Trick Pony"
Who's celebrating? Just stating a fact.
[i]Feel like this thread should just be closed.[/i]
Talk about knee-jerk. Jeez, go read something else if it upsets you so much.
More positive Covid-19 news.
Murderer dies in prison.
He was known to dangerous with a penchant for waving loaded guns around.
He crapped all over any musical legacy he might otherwise have had.
I don't get how folk write off any musical achievements of people who then commit crimes or do something the don't agree with.
I don't suppose many listen to Gary Glitter then !.
Spector was a musical genius with a large legacy of massive hits.
Then he was a killer.
I don’t get how folk write off any musical achievements of people who then commit crimes or do something the don’t agree with.
I don’t suppose many listen to Gary Glitter then !.
What if you don't like his music can I still write him off as a murderer and not a genius? Being a killer trumps any of his achievements for me. Also, personally even without what he did I don't think anyone should listen to Garry glitter.
lol If it offends your musical taste then fair do's.
It's a fair effort to dislike everything that Spector had a hand in mind, I suspect you'd be left with classical and some 80's pop 🙂
Or just a boat load of rap and grime. I have an extremely one dimensional taste in music
Whoa whoa whoa, folk liked Gary Glitters music?! Shit I thought it was just for pissed up weddings, played just after the birdie song...
Surely Phil Spector was the very definition of “One Trick Pony”
Are you smoking what he was?
Ike and Tina
Ronnettes
1 ****ing awful Beatles album
The righteous brothers.
Not to everyone's taste perhaps but he had a skill. Not listening to anything he touched is just a daft idea.
Other things that shouldn't be enjoyed due to connections?
Harvey Weinstein film productions?
Joe meeks music catalogue?
Sex pistols?
Kevin Spacey films?
Ah man, what did Joe Meeks get up to?!
Shot his assistant and his landlady.
I accept that's a little more obscure that Phil but he had a moment or two of success.
Actually I'm not sure if he shot his assistant or the assistant was just accused of the murder of Joe and his landlady.
Never knew that! Knew of him for Telstar.
Telstar for sure and screaming lord Sutch.
The film is excellent called Telstar.
Surely Phil Spector was the very definition of “One Trick Pony”
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
I have no problem separating the person (not good, to put it mildly) and the music (good, to put it mildly).
Christ, I thought he'd died about 30 years ago.
I don’t get how folk write off any musical achievements of people who then commit crimes or do something the don’t agree with.
Other things that shouldn’t be enjoyed due to connections?
I have no problem separating the person (not good, to put it mildly) and the music (good, to put it mildly).
Whilst I generally agree in principle, there are limits. I disagreed with Tim Martin's politics, but still happily drank his cheep beer until he turned the Wetherspods chain into a vehicle for political propaganda.
Those separating man from art, any of you bought a Lost Prophets album recently?
the weak-minded are often infatuated with killing/killers. It’s why murder is the most forgivable major crime, for some (or even to be admired). Other serious crimes, much less so. Not a psychologist so couldn’t say why! Interesting though.Those separating man from art, any of you bought a Lost Prophets album recently?
I don’t get how folk write off any musical achievements of people who then commit crimes or do something the don’t agree with.
I don’t suppose many listen to Gary Glitter then !.Spector was a musical genius with a large legacy of massive hits.
I’ve never owned or played anything by Glitter.
Spector was certainly very clever when it came to music production and arranging, but he was a reprehensible human being, especially when it came to women, take a look at his relationship with Ronnie Spector. He was also a complete control freak when it came to producing other artists records, The Beatles ‘Let It Be’, and Leonard Cohen’s ‘Death Of A Ladies Man’ being just two examples; the stripped-back ‘Let It Be - Naked’ reissue is all the better for having the production taken back to basics.
There are people who’s behaviour is/was dreadful, and the music was highly regarded, but knowing how the individuals behaved can certainly colour the enjoyment of their music, John Martyn being one - he was a really dreadful person, not only to his wife, Beverley, but also to pretty much anyone who had dealings with him, although he didn’t plumb the depths of paedophilia, like Glitter or others, he was an abusive drunk.
Martyn’s drinking also affected his performances, I’ve seen him ‘perform’ in a state of almost complete enebriation, and it was horribly embarrassing to see.
That does affect how I enjoy his music nowadays, it’s not possible to avoid it.
Ryan Adams is another who’s behaviour towards women has become known recently, and he’s been shown to be very, very manipulative, Phoebe Bridgers was the first women to expose his behaviour, not that it bothers me as far as his music is concerned, I never liked him anyway, but others have subsequently come forward and called him out, and rightfully so.
Those separating man from art, any of you bought a Lost Prophets album recently?
Nope, but I never did like them anyway. I don’t have any Wagner, either, for that matter.
Those separating man from art, any of you bought a Lost Prophets album recently?
Yeah, interesting point. Never heard their music so doesn't apply to me. I do however love Michael Jacksons music. Who, even though nothing was ever proved seems to have been judged by the media as 100% definitely a nonce and so airbrushed out of history (see also Kevin Spacey). Good art is good art though... if some rare unreleased MJ album suddenly came up for sale I'd definitely buy it. Maybe just not play it so loud in the car.
I saw recently that Ian Brown was going full on Covid denial anti vax. The guys obviously a nut job, but that first Stone Roses album is a favourite.
Morrisey is another example, I listened to Strangeways the other day and felt a bit sad.
I think writing off somebody's back catalogue because they are anti vax is a bit extreme lol.
**** me, that's a leap youve taken there brads.
Eh? You've made the leap surely ? You've just said he's anti vax but you like his first album. You have read the whole thread haven't you ?
I do however love Michael Jacksons music. Who, even though nothing was ever proved seems to have been judged by the media as 100% definitely a nonce
Personally I think Jackson was an easy target. Mentally he never really grew up so enjoyed the company of other children. And then a bunch of people looked at that and saw dollar signs. Cf. Billie Jean.
I could be way off the mark of course, he could have been the US's answer to Savile, I guess I / we will never know. But when I look at MJ and I see victim rather than nonce. If we're pointing (gloved) fingers then I'd rather shine a light under his father TBH.
Hitler was an artist.
I don’t suppose many listen to Gary Glitter then !.
Never considered myself as someone who even slightly enjoyed Glitter's music back in the day.
....Then they used it in the iconic scene in Joker in 2019....and it's perfect for the scene. It was 'excused' or even explained as a choice because of the downfall of Gadd making it befitting of the spiral into insanity of the character. That's more than airbrushing over the issue. I'm torn on what I think about it but that scene with his music must be one of the best bits of cinematography in a film in the last 10 years. And still makes me question if I should like it or not.
Spector passed me by a little as he was inactive in my formative musical years and I didn't really pay a great deal of attention to his trails. Bizarre though - can't be many people in history being tried for murder and freed on bail for years before during and after (his first trail).
If we have to discard anything Spector did because of the subsequent murder, then we're also discarding some magnificent songs, singers, groups and session musicians by association. Conversely, if the merit to these iconic groups and sounds is because of Spector, then we have to revere him even though he was clearly a terrible human.
Never rode any of his trails so can't really say
Morrisey is another example, I listened to Strangeways the other day and felt a bit sad.
Yep, I was very into the Smiths in the 80's but have no desire to listen to them anymore and knowing what a ****er Morrisey turned out to be has ruined the experience. Yes he was always a ****er but in a special/odd way rather than the nutter he is now.
I don't need to separate man from art. If the man was as they turned out at the beginning I would have never listened to them in the first place.
Those separating man from art, any of you bought a Lost Prophets album recently?
Course not. Mainly because they were shit though.
Oh, I do have a Gary Glitter album in the rack.
Not sure about old Phil though, never got into his sound.
Can we still listen to Johnny Marr though? What about when Johnny Marr 'covers' Smiths songs (can you cover your own song?)
Can we still listen to Johnny Marr though?
I can and do. He has gown old very well and managed not to turn into a right wing racist nut job.
Johnny Marr's dead??!
Johnny Marr’s dead??!
Yes. Graham Norton too and Joe Cocker.
Ridiculous.
