[Closed] People interfering in you for sale threads.

You chose to claim how much it was from one retailer so I reckon it's fair game to counter it.
If you'd just put the price up and left it at that maybe not

That's usually standard practice for me if I'm selling something new, check what it is on CRC, no point selling it more, and they were always the cheapest. never look on rose tbh

jota180 - Member
You chose to claim how much it was from one retailer so I reckon it's fair game to counter it.
If you'd just put the price up and left it at that maybe not

Agree with that.

Would I be right in thinking what I choose to charge for an item is between myself and any potential buyers

I'm unsure on this - I mean, yes it is between you and any potential buyers, but the potential buyers (and of course yourself) are part of a community (!) and it seems reasonable that those who may be more aware of prices and values inform those who aren't...

This is aimed fairly and squarely at me, as I am that busybody. 😀

It was aimed as a headup to you as much as anything. Ok its only a £1. They're actually £15.50 ish + postage, so the gap widens if the buyer gets several items + a guarantee.

I apologise for the rip off comment, looking back that was a little harsh, sorry. 😳

Would I be right in thinking what I choose to charge for an item is between myself and any potential buyers

I think that's the reasoning that people who quote grannies £2000 quid to have a roof tile replaced use. 😀

Actually apology withdrawn, having just read this bit of vitriol from you. Nice.

wysiwyg - Member
I fail to see what the hell it's got to do with you or anyone else what I choose to charge for anything I sell. If its too much don't buy it. It's not a bloody community, if it were if come round your house and wee in your shoes.

I can see this from both sides, as a seller I want as much as I can get from an item as the proceeds usually go to fund more bike kit.

But as a buyer I'd be very annoyed if I'd just paid for something 2nd had that I could have got for just a little more brand new, usually with a warranty etc.

As mentioned above, I think that the forum should be a community where everyone is out to help each other.

IMHO If people want to over charge / rip people off then they should sell stuff on eBay or pinkbike etc.

... should I expect busy bodies sticking their oar in telling me something's available from Germany for £1 more

Yes.

Odd thread title too 😉

I'd like the support of "the STW community" to get the best deal I can and help research best prices etc. I think generally most will look what prices are however, personally I would buy in the UK rather than Germany. Bit expensive sending it back.

Not a biggie on £15 but the buyer may be scrimping that together. Lets not fall out over it aye guys!

Actually, I've seen a couple of these, where I've thought "does the seller realise..."

But then I back off in the spirit of entreperialism(?). Personally I google before I buy 2nd hand to obtain a "mark" of the "new" price avialable. If you don't do this and buy overpriced from classifieds thats your issue. People are entiled to make money / aim to get thier original spend back if they paid full RRP / yet a sale has happended in the meantime.

The contract is between the buyer and the seller - no one else's business.

edit and if someone is trying to rip you off. you'll know because you'll have done your research right?

The contract is between the buyer and the seller - no one else's business.

some sellers are quite happy to be told what the going rate is though, rather than keep cluttering up the classifieds with over priced stuff.

you say it is a community yet you dont want us to tell folk how much something costs relative to what you are charging
For all we know you got 20 from Rose bikes and are making a profit on them
personally I e-mail the seller if it is a daft price but I have no problem with what happened on your thread.
I rarely sell So i doubt i would be upset if someone pointed out I was way above the market price [ he could have just quoted the price for example] as it would help me get to a price it would sell at rather than post the same overprice ad every day for the next month

The very fact that the rules below mentions "spirit" reinforces my view that this plaqce IS a community.

The ‘spirit’ of our forum is one where users can turn their old, surplus or unwanted kit into extra cash to enable them to buy new bits to help them get out and continue riding. The Classified Forum is not a place where users can trade parts bought elsewhere and then sold at a profit.

If this was a private forum then yes, the contract should be private. This is a public forum, and the community self police then all the better. There are people who rally round when rogue traders try and con people and long may that continue.

The day people shrug their shoulders and say "tough luck" will be a black day for this forum.

If you post something up in a public forum then anybody can weigh in with whatever they choose. I'd say you just suck it up.

Mind you, you don't seem to see as many posts saying "Blimey mate, that's a bit cheap, do you realise the last one posted up went for £xx more, you need to raise your price a bit!"

So I can understand i I bought say, a tire for £20 on sale and then tried to flog it or £40, I can understand.

If I tried to sell it or £20 having used it once to get my money back, thats wrong?

Vote community. More solidarity with the buyer than the seller.
Despite all the other arguments, everyone here seems to want to help each other to enjoy biking. And that includes recommending best deals on kit.
That trumps helping anyone make a profit, no matter how small.

If I tried to sell it or £20 having used it once to get my money back, thats wrong?

You come across as a bit of an idiot.

Its a public forum, what do you expect?

If you don't want people to be able to comment on your FS ads then use eBay or gumtree.

My contributions tend to be after an items been advertised for weeks or if I like something but can't have it.

This is a community and anyone posting stuff for sale should accept that or go elsewhere.

If I tried to sell it or £20 having used it once to get my money back, thats wrong?

I like the fact that people look out for others on the classifieds, the way I see it is the only people that will get shirty are those with ulterior motives.

All it would have taken is a drop in price by £1 yes 1 whole pound!

I love the classifieds, have had many a builds finished by someone offering their unwanteds for a reasonable price.

But whats wrong with as in my example I've bought an xtr chainset and have a Chris king bb trying to sell the new bb for as much as I can to offset the ck? If it were for sale by me at rrp then fair enough point the price out. It's the fact it was a quid that's wound me up. Still afaik half rrp and cheaper by a tenner than the cheapest uk shop I'd imagine. Bloody Germans.
As far as I'm concerned if you were looking for an XTR bb you'd research the best price and make an offer surely. Calling a pound deficit a ripoff is just plain odd.

He did apologise for the ripoff accusation.

But then read your response about there being no such thing as community.

Call it a score draw, maybe?

Am i missing something

The reason behind this PSA is that this is a community and I shouldn't rip people off..

wysiwyg - Member
I fail to see what the hell it's got to do with you or anyone else what I choose to charge for anything I sell. If its too much don't buy it. [b]It's not a bloody community[/b], if it were if come round your house and wee in your shoes.

I don't think he's down with the whole shoe wee interface thing.

Were going round in circles I was gonna accept and apologise for ranting then he retracted. I'm calling it quits.

The reason behind this PSA is that this is a community and I shouldn't rip people off..

That should have been in quotation marks referring to the original post

The reason behind this PSA is that: " this is a community and I shouldn't rip people off.."

Is this how you were planning on getting yourself out of a lovely, deep hole you've dug for yourself?

trying to sell the new bb for as much as I can to offset the ck?

But does it matter why I'm selling? I could be selling it to buy a bottle of JD to get smashed.
So what people are saying is you should quote the source of any unused bits you're selling, with the original price, as well as a reason why you're selling and what you will spend the money on?

Wysiwyg - stop diggin mate the holes deep enough now 😳

I get the whole shoe + wee thing. That didn't bother me tbh. What annoyed me was the "what the hell.....". Just no need at all.
Anyway would you take £20 for it? 😀

OP quit whining, you were pwned, give up.

I use a cunning approach, of trying to ask fair prices in the first place.

Sometimes it's not so clearcut though but in this case...

davidjones15 - Member
If I tried to sell it or £20 having used it once to get my money back, thats wrong?

No harm in trying, I expect you'd be offering the same or similar levels of service as the retailer too.

Thats a pathetic point to make. Everyone knows its secondhand and doesn't come with shop/manufacturer warranties etc. If you raise that concern, make a lower offer which you believe the object in question to be worth.

I have no qualms about off loading cheap used stuff at cheap prices (in fact I will be soon) which reflect their condition or age or the fact I just want rid. If I've bought new and made a mistake I'd try to get as close to the price I paid as I could and its up to the seller to bargain down if they feel they should. Its then up to the seller to accept or not.

Hope bleed kit, used one no oil £15 anyone..... ? 😉

I'm with the buyer too. If someone, including myself, ever offers something for too much money - point it out! Otherwise it'll keep getting posted up again and again and the Classifieds fills up with overpriced stuff from grumpy "classified-only" users.

If a seller starts throwing their toys out the pram, its a good indication of what they're like to deal with.

Thats a pathetic point to make. Everyone knows its secondhand and doesn't come with shop/manufacturer warranties etc. [b]If you raise that concern, make a lower offer which you believe the object in question to be worth.[/b]

I think if you just list a going price then perhaps yes the seller should be left to get on with it.

However if you list a retail price as a guide you do leave yourself open to comments.
Listing a new price sort of suggests you've done the homework for the buyer, and that you are listing the very best deal you'll find on the net?
For example if what ever it is you're selling was to be put on a 1/2 price sale by CRC it would be more than fair to point that out wouldn't it.

I think you have just made people very reluctant to buy from you now and in the future.

johnners - Member
If you post something up in a public forum then anybody can weigh in with whatever they choose. I'd say you just suck it up.

Mind you, you don't seem to see as many posts saying "Blimey mate, that's a bit cheap, do you realise the last one posted up went for £xx more, you need to raise your price a bit!"

Bizarrely you do get the odd time when people chip in with "Bargain!" when something's dirt cheap...

davidjones15 - Member
Thats a pathetic point to make. Everyone knows its secondhand and doesn't come with shop/manufacturer warranties etc. If you raise that concern, make a lower offer which you believe the object in question to be worth.

I'm more likely to simply walk away and buy something at a price I'm happy with, that's how pathetic it is.

So - you'd look at an secondhand item, expect a manufacturers warranty, know you won't get one so instead of asking the seller to reflect that in the price, go an find another seller?

Thats your privilege my friend, but it does seem a bizarre behavior, so I'd assume your not comfortable with negotiation, or would buy from new.

So - you'd look at an secondhand item, expect a manufacturers warranty, know you won't get one so instead of asking the seller to reflect that in the price, go an find another seller?

If you pay for an ad, I guess you have a right to be peeved by stuff like that being posted.

But you didn't and you don't.

1 shed - Member

I think you have just made people very reluctant to buy from you now and in the future.

If I post an ad it's because I want rid so if someone points out I'm pricing too high then tbh they're doing me a favour.

(if anyone wants a chameleon frame, floats, ck headset or an ipad3 then make me an offer!)

I'm sure I remember a similar thread recently with someone moaning on about how out of order it is to haggle over prices in the classifieds.

You post it up, you take yer chances. It's a lovely little self regulating free market as far as I can tell.

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I think it's great that people post when something is overpriced. It makes me far more likely to buy from the forum. In my opinion it is overpriced unless it is far cheaper than a shop, to reflect the lack of a warranty. Thank you to all those who warn us newer mountain bikers when there are better deals around.

I've seen several for sale ads on here and elsewhere where someone has pointed out that an item can be obtained new and cheaper elsewhere and the seller has taken it in the spirit with which it was intended and reduced the price as the original selling price was unrealistic.I would buy from them.
I have also seen sellers get on their high horse and have a strop.I would not buy from them.

too many chancers and scammers in the classifieds

Simple rule is don't buy unless you recognise the name (assuming you're a regular) and don't buy off anyone who only posts in the For Sale section.

too many chancers and scammers in the classifieds

That's not accurate at all when you consider the number of complaints relative to the amount of buying and selling that goes on.

[B]One[/b] is "too many" in my opinion.

[B]A few[/b] is Far too many.

And I would say there has been more than a few recently from what's been complained about.

One is "too many" in my opinion.

A few is Far too many.

It's a big bad world out there 😥

So skip reading most of this is there a list of websites the seller must check and an approved usage/price scale to use to determine the correct selling price.

Does this include sales??

If you don't like the price either offer lower or go somewhere else. Not all of us trawl the internet for every purchase.

The problem is not the sellers price, the problem is not a forum user informing of a better price, the problem is the op's reaction and subsequent fallout. Put it to bed and learn.

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So does everyone also hang around their LBS telling people to buy at rosebikes?
What's it got to do with anyone how anyone else spends their money?

So does everyone also hang around their LBS telling people to buy at rosebikes?

Had another think about this and realised that in wysi's shoes I'd probably have been equally cheesed off. We are talking about £1 FFS and TBH I have never heard of Rose Bikes but I have seen wysi doing his 'thing' on here for a very long time with no problems (as far as I'm aware).

If you have so much time on your hands that you are prepared to price check an item that you are not even interested in, can I suggest that you get something to occupy yourself, like a life!

To be honest I can see the OP's point.
When I sell something I try to be fair. I tend to look at a few online retailers to gauge price, I do not however scour every single site including European competitors. I don't have a problem people pointing things out and it helps the seller as much as anyone as helps to shift what your trying to sell.

Would I want to be called a rip off though just because I hadn't checked EVERY online retailer?? I think not

Would I be right in thinking what I choose to charge for an item is between myself and any potential buyers,

Grant_Richards - Member

So does everyone also hang around their LBS telling people to buy at rosebikes?
What's it got to do with anyone how anyone else spends their money?

You've been a member for three years and this is just your fifth post outside the 'for sale' section.

Perhaps if you played with the other children a bit more you'd get a better feel for the place.

And LBS's are different - part of the local economy, someone you can build a relationship with.
One of my LBS's is quite pricey, but I often get free labour, so I'm much more likely to use them than a German Internet site.
Or some dodgy bloke I don't trust from the internet.

If you have so much time on your hands that you are prepared to price check an item that you are not even interested in, can I suggest that you get something to occupy yourself, like a life!

Woody,
Thanks for taking the time out of your exciting life to have another think about this issue and type that out.

Made me smile on a dull day. [I am easily pleased].

I've sold some stuff on here recently and asked whet I thought was a fair price with a little bit of 'wriggle room' - Sometimes people offer the full amount, sometimes they offer you less and it's up to you to accept or make a counter offer. I don't think it would bother me if someone said they could get it new for the same money elsewhere - at least you know you're never going to get what you're asking for it.
I did have some time wasters, but I'd much rather buy/sell on here than ebay - That really is a minefield of scammers, both buying and selling.

You can put it up for whatever price you like but if you want more than it can be had elsewhere I don't see why you should be surprised that people point this out, or why you think pointing it out is wrong somehow. It's a public forum with public sales and public opinions, why shouldn't someone point out you're over-pricing a used part?

That said, if all you have to do with your time is point out other peoples over-pricing then you need more to do, but that's a separate point altogether.

I don't think the policy of no inviting offers on here helps anyone much

If it is right to have this approach, why do "we" then allow potential buyers to make lower offers ? Is that different somehow ?

I usually take listed prices as a guide price on the classifieds and will sometimes make an offer. The worst they can say is no.

So whats the STW view on this?

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/iphone-5-32gb-bnib

According to my upgrade principle, which is pretty close to other providers, there's approx £300 profit being asked for here, plus the poster appears to have created an account purely to sell that phone?

I wanted to make the comment on the sale but thought that might come across a bit bitter....?

plus the poster appears to have created an account purely to sell that phone?

Playing the long game?

Registered: April 21, 2011

Anyway. Seems perfectly fine to me. The seller is asking below the current market rate. Do you expect him to sell it for £300-ish?

Edit: Now here is an account setup just to [s]scam[/s] sell something:

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/50-itunes-voucher-selling-for-30

He / She (Kerry?) would have only paid £220 or thereabouts for it.

What I took from the previous conversations was that people were against blatant profit making in the STW classifieds, and preferred to see below market value generosity for the sake of the "community". I'd fall into that category.

But that IP5 isn't that - is blatant fleecing of the STW crowd for £300 notes. If the poster was being generous, they could say, @hey, I paid £220, so you can have it for £270 so I have £50 to spend on new bike bits etc.

Maybe I have my understanding blurred...?

He / She (Kerry?) would have only paid £220 or thereabouts for it.

True, but they will continue to pay for the phone through their contract payments, as that is what subsidised the original iPhone cost. So the total cost of the phone to the seller is a lot more than the initial upgrade cost.

That iPhone advert is somewhat ignorant, if it was propely unlocked then it would indeed be an acceptable price vs the RRP of an unlocked phone at the Apple store, however the fact that the unlock is "pending" would stand against it selling at that price imo. Unless I'm mistaken mobile operators tend not to unlock phones still under contract.

I'll happily point out if the item being sold is similar/more than you can get brand new - it's your problem if you're over-charging on public forums where anyone can post. If you're afraid of a potential purchaser being in possession of all the facts about how much an item costs then that's probably a sign you're trying to shaft them.

apart from the fact I don;t agree that a price must be cheaper than new in the first place to be sold.

Mark - owner of stw

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/ad-spoiling-new-rule-dont-do-it-its-very-annoying/page/6#post-4541912

we are banned from pointing this out and this thread discusses it.

Mark disagrees and only mark and sellers seem to agree with this rule

not sure why there's a 3 month gap between the last post and the one that resurrected it - did I miss a spam in between?

The rule, clearly explained..

wysiwyg - Member

Would I be right in thinking what I choose to charge for an item is between myself and any potential buyers, or should I expect busy bodies sticking their oar in telling me something's available from Germany for £1 more. [b]The reason behind this PSA is that this is a community and I shouldn't rip people off[/b]..

wysiwyg - Member
I fail to see what the hell it's got to do with you or anyone else what I choose to charge for anything I sell. If its too much don't buy it. [b]It's not a bloody community, [/b]if it were if come round your house and wee in your shoes.

Anyone can question any ad about price or any other issue. The seller has the right to report your comments posted on their ad if they think you have spoiled it. If they think you have been helpful they won't report it. If anyone else apart from the seller reports it then we won;t act. We only act to decide if an ad has been spoilt if it's been reported to us by the seller.

The best way to help though and to not run that risk of being accused of ad spoiling is to contact the seller directly. All sellers must have a valid email address visible in their profile for this to happen.

Even if your post is reported for spoiling we may or may not actually agree with them. Where we will agree is if the spoiler is based solely on the price they are selling at. In that case, so long as the seller is not breaking classifieds rules then we will agree that their ad has been spoilt.

In short - and here's the nub of the disagreement - what a seller chooses to sell an item for is up to them so long as they are not profiteering. If they are selling the item for less than they paid for it then they are not profiteering EVEN IF THE ITEM IS AVAILABLE CHEAPER ELSEWHERE.

If you want to help them by pointing out it is cheaper elsewhere then by all means do that. We advise that you do not do that on their ad in case they decide you are not helping and report you to us. Email them directly to be safe.

As I said by way of example on the thread in the classifieds, you are free to advise Tesco that their beans are more expensive than ASDA's but not by sticking a big poster on their front door for everyone to see.

Sellers are also part of this community and subject to following the rules they deserve to be protected too.

To allow anyone to post anything they like at any time on another users' ad (it's not a forum post) is akin to allowing vigilantism and the unaccountable masses to dictate what, how and for how much anything can be sold.

You are of course free to disagree and you are of course free to post your disagreement on this forum, as you have been doing. But as for myself, I've explained the new rule enough and I'm not going to be contributing to it's discussion any more.

[quote=Mark ]
You are of course free to disagree and you are of course free to post your disagreement on this forum, as you have been doing. But as for myself, I've explained the new rule enough and I'm not going to be contributing to it's discussion any more.

so far as I can see you;ve not contributed to the discussion at all., all you;ve done is said "that's the rule, **** you"

bye bye....

[i]all you;ve done is said "that's the rule,[/i]

well he does own it so he's probably allowed to do that?