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Yay, more money,oh it's from existing budgets, so more cuts then. What a shower of shite this buck passing bunch of shysters are.
So French health workers get 45 euros pw rise, the MPs gave themselves £200pw (for working from home), they gave their chums £830m for ppe that did not materialise and they show their utter contempt by giving our health workers £10pw (and a clap and a £10 burger voucher).
All that 'now is not the time' was followed by sneaking this through overnight. They must hope that those who've lost their jobs can be turned against those who still have one, I have the quote from £39 breakfast-claim IDS in my head already.
What is Sir Pip Squeak likely to say about all this?
My suspicion is an announcement to grab the headlines (I know it’s paltry) and distract from the real news today/later in the week which is the report on Russian interference in the election and brexit
Woody
**** all for nurses which means **** all for me too, due the bullshit pay rise in 2018.
Our agency had a fairly generous 3 year deal announced last year, but it was funded by changes to various cuts in other terms and conditions, efficiency savings etc.
Sounds to me like a "look - squirrels" exercise to hide something else
is anyone actually surprised?
Is it being paid in Roubles?
Nice for me as a teacher, but from existing budgets (so cancelling out and more yesterday's increase in school funding and causing real world cuts elsewhere).
Russia Report.
Trade bill passing. Cuts in food standards, NHS on the table and Parliament get no say in future trade deals.
Which one would you want people taking about?
My suspicion is an announcement to grab the headlines (I know it’s paltry) and distract from the real news today/later in the week which is the report on Russian interference in the election and brexit
100% this.
NHS protection and food standards protection voted out in trade Bill last night too
My suspicion is an announcement to grab the headlines (I know it’s paltry) and distract from the real news today/later in the week which is the report on Russian interference in the election and brexit
Woody
And that they voted against the clauses in the Trade Bill to protect NHS & publicly-funded healthcare in devolved regions from foreign control, reduction in standards for imported agricultural goods and parliamentary scrutiny/agreement of any future trade deals.
**** all for nurses
Forgive me I've only read the potentially shallow headlines - weren't they already on a plan which equates to a 4.4% rise?
The unfunded is laughable
Forgive me I’ve only read the potentially shallow headlines – weren’t they already on a plan which equates to a 4.4% rise?
Quick answer no. It depended very much on pay scale, years of service and pay point. Even then with the previous years freezes it equated to a loss for most.
Nurses get shafted again, brilliant.
Nurses were on a pay freeze for **** knows how long Kryton, before 2018.
But, hey! I'm sure we all clapped em and put pretty rainbows up in the ****ing window, so they're laughing really!
I agree it's smoke and mirrors time. This has been planned for ages, there is a reason for this timing...
Sorry Dez, I wasn't trying to piss on peoples chips, I was reacting to this under the Sky News headline:
Although nurses - currently on a three-year pay deal - are not covered by the latest rises, the government says that many of them will receive an average pay increase of 4.4% this year.
Clearly it pays to know the facts behind the headline, which I don't.
Damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Sorry Dez,
No prob. Last line wasn't aimed at you 🙂
They’re Tories. A damning is all they deserve.
Teachers get the largest rise for being off work for 4 months 😏
* all for nurses which means * all for me too, due the bullshit pay rise in 2018.
You must've got a different pay rise to the rest of us in 2018 then as myself and all the guys I work with think it was pretty good. I've certainly got no complaints about it.
Forgive me I’ve only read the potentially shallow headlines – weren’t they already on a plan which equates to a 4.4% rise?
Yeah, Nurses got a pay rise in April '18 April '19 and April '20 which equated with about 6% over the full term.
Of course they'd had nothing for about 10 years previously and I believe it fell just short of inflation over the term, it also changed the incremental scale (there's a scale within the scale based on experience) which meant a slower progression so instead of an annual experience pay rise you'd have to wait a few years to get a larger one.
The 2018 'deal' officially ends in April next year. The nursing Unions are working together to negotiate a new deal and obviously want a deal that considered Covid and the number of Nurses who have died in Service dealing with it. They're starting at a 10% rise which will never happen, but there will be enough Covid goodwill left with the public to get something I think, probably nearer 3%, maybe a bit of a bonus.
It will probably depend on if they've got a Russian election interference report to bury.
Teachers get the largest rise for being off work for 4 months 😏
Teachers haven't been off work. 😏
Well clearly not
They’ve had a very stressful time and need the usual summer holidays to come back refreshed in September !
Only stressful job in the world apparently
Teachers haven’t been off work. 😏
At least 50% of them around here have been.
Teachers get the largest rise for being off work for 4 months
Good work well done Cummings loves you.
Well clearly not
They’ve had a very stressful time and need the usual summer holidays to come back refreshed in September !
Only stressful job in the world apparently
Don't worry if you want a ride on the gravy train there's plenty of space.
PS no one has mentioned gold plated pensions yet.
At least 50% of them around here have been.
Where do you live, I moving.
Naff all for years now as I haven't moved from my legacy NHS T&C to civil service, so I'm stuck, if I move over then some of my T&Cs are eroded in terms of redundancy etc. Got a cohort of us over a barrel. So I'm not expecting anything for our staff other than more criticism in the media spurred on by Gov't.
Don’t think it’s me that’s on the gravy train
I’d always taken that to mean something for nothing?
Checks daughters online work ... oh look never been looked at .
Checks daughters online work … oh look never been looked at .
What did the school say?
Due to unprecedented... blah
Oh it’s the summer holidays yay
Something along those lines
NHS protection and food standards protection voted out in trade Bill last night too
Smokey_jo has it. Utter shysters
Due to unprecedented… blah
Oh it’s the summer holidays yay
Something along those lines
Cool, thanks for the laser-accurate recount of how that interaction played out. Mrs Pondo'll tell you that her kids have done less and less as the months have gone on, most have done nothing for weeks. She's already worked through the easter break and has weeks of work to do over the summer "holidays" (but that's the same as always), so your compassion and understanding is appreciated.
Where do you live, I moving.
Herefordshire.
Seriously, we have kids in both primary and secondary. They were sent home with some website links in April and have not heard from a teacher ever since. Primary had years reception, 1 and 6 back. Secondary had nothing. Those years were split into two groups, so that's 12 teachers in school for four days a week. What have the other 8 teachers and support staff been doing?
Where do you live, I moving.
No wonder you didn't get a pay rise - a teacher with grammar as bad as that! 😉
😁
Hands up who works in the private sector and is either at risk of losing their job, has lost their pension or hasn't had a pay rise for years too?
Everybody has an opportunity to gripe about their situation. Public sector workers have to put up with a lot, but spare a thought for the private sector too. Public sector generally have better, more secure pensions, better job security and more defined rules and regulations. It's not all bad.
And before anybody chimes in, I know it is a generalization, but life's a bit shit for a lot of people, and the public sector don't have a monopoly on misery!
Diamond in the rough then pondo fair enough.
My kids unfortunately told me with amazing accuracy which teachers would and which teachers wouldn’t mark their work .
Depressing to say the least
No wonder you didn’t get a pay rise – a teacher with grammar as bad as that!
I thought about editing it but couldn't be arsed, I thought some **** would be along soon enough and it would give them the opportunity to look special.
The Government's divide and conquer strategy is working like a charm even here.
The Government’s divide and conquer strategy is working like a charm even here.
Indeed!!
public sector don’t have a monopoly on misery!
Thanks for pointing that out as literally no one knew that.
NHS pay 'rises' are an irrelevance*. The shit shower in Westminster are merely trying to deflect attention away from the Trade Bill and the report on Russian interference.
*Claiming rises are being awarded but providing no funding for them is just hammering another nail in the coffin of the NHS. The money will have to be cut from other services, those services will collapse and the NHS will be declared unsustainable and put out to tender. The morally bankrupt Tory ****s will be clapping until the cows come home. Utterly despicable bastards.
Lower pay rises for the NHS reduce costs for any potential buyers.
Lower pay rises for the NHS reduce costs for any potential buyers.
They won't be salaried in a post USA Trade deal world, they'll all be on zero contract pensionless terms...
public sector don’t have a monopoly on misery!
Thanks for pointing that out as literally no one knew that.
Clearly from some of the comments on this thread, many a true word spoken in sarcasm Drac!
For 'government', freely insert the word 'shareholders', 'owners', 'fat cats' etc. The only difference being that you don't get to vote any of them out every 4 or 5 years, and there isn't the same coordinated opposition.
and yet we still have huge shortages of nurses and teachers
They won’t be salaried in a post USA Trade deal world, they’ll all be on zero contract pensionless terms…
Seems unlikely, RN’s in the US get an average equivalent of £53k per year and before anyone mentions pensions, NHS pensions are contributory.
I haven’t met many Nurses (and I know a lot) that would ever want the NHS privatised, sold off, broken up or otherwise messed with, but most would get paid a lot more if they went to work in any other developed Country.
and yet we still have huge shortages of nurses and teachers
And many other lower profile public sector roles. I see/hear of/know of lots of public sector workers leaving for a similar private sector role/agency equivalent, don't see so many private sector people coming in to get those more generous pensions and terms and conditions. As I eye up a new CS role which sees a 7 day rota including weekends and evenings, loss of flextime, reduction in overtime rates, less generous leave allowance for new starters.....