Part time workers paid more

Who’s setting the contracts?

Standard rates up to full time hours to avoid exactly that situation.

And what’s overtime? 😉

tax-free overtime they’re earning for swanning in from Jersey

Sounds fishy...

Is this not just the way of the contractor?

Fishy tax dodging aside - I’m on the side of the part time workers here. If they are contracted to work say 15 hours and the employer wishes them to do more, then overtime rates should apply. They’re getting paid for their flexibility.
If they only got standard rate up to full time hours then for me they’re being exploited

Surely if they are needed to do more then for operational reasons part time working is no longer an option.
The p/t workers have shown that they would rather work full time by bringing their hours up to the full time hours. I suppose it would depend on how often this happens.
Certainly the f/t worker should not be disadvantaged.

If they are contracted to work say 15 hours and the employer wishes them to do more, then overtime rates should apply. They’re getting paid for their flexibility.

If they only got standard rate up to full time hours then for me they’re being exploited

That's some weird logic at work there!

They’re getting paid for their flexibility.

That works two ways...you could argue full time employees are denied such flexibility

Generally speaking, in every business I’ve ever come across, short contract or part-time workers earn more than permanent employees. On the other hand, their benefits are normally a fraction of those experienced by permanent employees. They can often be terminated with literally no notice. They often have no pension. So the pros and fonds are normally seen to balance each other out, or am I missing something here?

Do they get sick pay, holiday pay, pension contributions, job security, a better than zero hours contract?

Go part time if it bothers you that much, or you feel they are so much better off than you.

And how do you know they aren't paying tax? Either they have to fill in a self assessment or your company is employing people on grounds that would be of serious interest to the tax office

are they permanent part time?

Most places I know will pay normal rate up to the equivalent full time hours and then a premium rate after that or for enhanced shifts like bank holidays.

Are you sure that’s what happens?

Standard practice is normal rate until over a weekly hours of 37.5 otherwise people would all work part time. Then they’d claim because they’re being flexible they should be paid overtime rates. Despite them not being flexible at all.

Security of hours hours vs pay rate. It’s always been this way, if your full time hours are guaranteed and you’re on a permanent contract your hourly rate is likely to be less than a part time non permanent worker with lower guaranteed hours (and wages). Don’t value the security of full time wage every week, every month, all year? Then jack it in and try and mix it in the short term temporary contract world. It might suit you.

Last part time I had when I was a student (15+ years ago) any hours over contracted hours (so 16p/w for me) was considered 1.5x as overtime rates. I would coin it in over summer when I'd work 40+ hours a week.

I had the sense to keep my mouth shut to my full time colleagues about that deal though!

Do they get sick pay, holiday pay, pension contributions, job security, a better than zero hours contract?

Go part time if it bothers you that much, or you feel they are so much better off than you.

And how do you know they aren’t paying tax? Either they have to fill in a self assessment or your company is employing people on grounds that would be of serious interest to the tax office

Part time in this context means 50-90% of a full time contract. So holiday and pension contributions pro-rated. It’s not a zero-hours job and they have exactly the same job security as me.

And the not paying tax element is a dig at someone who takes great pleasure in telling people he works with the tax situation on the Channel Islands. Everyone else pays tax, I suppose.

I would love to go part time but as I said in my original post (presumably you read the title and nothing else) but despite asking for it for three years in a row have been denied it.

Drac: it used to be as you described but changed a few months ago

Part time in this context means 50-90% of a full time contract. So holiday and pension contributions pro-rated.

So… if they work extra days, do they earn extra holidays?

If overtime dries up, they end up earning far less that you, yes? You might not value the security of full time hours, but it is worth something to others. And those without it are compensated for giving the employer that flexibility and taking on that risk for them.

Who in their right mind would want to work full time, anyway?

Work less, live more (and earn more in this case).

Just wondering what the incentive to work over your contracted hours is if your not being paid for giving up your personal time....

Like scruff the last time I had an hourly contract for 20hrs a week anything over that was 1.5hrs. Anything over 37.5 was 2*

You never got over 37.5 except at Xmas.

Then they worked out 0 hours . Treat em shit keep em keen.

I've got a friend who's a nurse and recently there's been a big fuss (understandably) about an overpayment clawback. Nurses on a 37.5 hour contract get paid time and a half for overtime. But those on part time contracts don't get time and a half untill they reach the 37.5 hours. Reasoning being someone on part time doing 37.5 hours would earn far more than a full time worker (mass switch to part time work), which is probably fair enough. But predictably payroll forgot about this and overpaid hundreds by sometimes £1000's.