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Grrrrr.
I normally park on my drive, for the last week I have had a few dumpy bags of topsoil on my drive for some raised beds. There are still 2 bags there. So nobody can park on my drive.
On friday somebody parked in front of my drive, I wasn't too bothered as its xmas but they are still there tonight and I am due a delivery of timber at 8am tomorrow.
So I foned the cops, they said because I wasn't blocked in tough shit.
I asked all they have to do is call the owner and ask them to move by 8am they still said tough shit.
Malto annoyed.
couple of mates and a trolley jack ?
Failing that get the timber dropped nice and close in front & behind the car
Sounds fun, but I am not one for courting trouble.
Add some wheel weights to the wheels.
Rule 243 "do not" means: advice and can't enforce against it. Waste of electrons even printing it if it is unenforceable.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/waiting-and-parking-238-to-252
Will the timber lorry have a hiab?
Got similar issues at my house - though mostly annoying and ignorant tourists - generally they move when you ask though one chap told me to **** off. I just reported the car as stolen and abandoned. Police took it away two days later!
Have you checked the tax and mot on the car using the DVLA site?
Worth doing as if it's untaxed or unmoted then the police might be more inclined to deal with it, ir if you decide to move it the owner will get less inclined to complain.
Seems fair enough. You aren't using the drive for a car so the space in front is fair game imo. We have a few dropped kerbs on our road. Some people use their driveway/garage, some don't. Those that do don't get parked in front of.
That said if you are expecting a delivery then it's ok to ask them to move and put a cone or Wheely bin out to save the space (although no requirement for them to comply other than politeness)
You aren't using the drive for a car so the space in front is fair game imo.
I am using it and I need access, just cos it isn't a car doesnt mean its OK to block me in though does it.
Glue fine sand to the wipers, loosen the sump plug.
Except you aren't blocked in are you? I understand it's a bit annoying but it is a public highway.
Seems fair enough. You aren't using the drive for a car so the space in front is fair game imo. We have a few dropped kerbs on our road. Some people use their driveway/garage, some don't. Those that do don't get parked in front of.
A random person drives into your street
How do they know what drives aren't used?
Glue fine sand to the wipers, loosen the sump plug.
Yes, criminal damage is always the best answer in these cases.
The car isn't blocking you in, it's blocking you out. This is why the Police aren't interested.I am using it and I need access, just cos it isn't a car doesnt mean its OK to block me in though does it.
Except you aren't blocked in are you?
The dumpy bags that I want moved are blocked in. I cannot access my own property.
The car isn't blocking you in, it's blocking you out. This is why the Police aren't interested.
Indeed, it isn't even breaking any law. That's why I am so annoyed.
Have you asked neighbours if they know whose it is ?
It's a bit too late now, but have you tried putting a note on the screen?
teethgrinder - Member
Glue fine sand to the wipers, loosen the sump plug.
Do you live in toytown.
Ask the neighbours if it's anything to do with them, if it's not move it out of the way in whatever way you see fit.
There are quite a few options for this...
A couple are obvious, covered in plants. The rest less so. That means random people don't park there which leaves space for locals in the know. It'd be a waste not to use the spaces.A random person drives into your streetHow do they know what drives aren't used?
5plusn8, check with yr local authority. Some authorities enforce drop kerbs under s84/s86 Traffic Management Act 2004, Police might not be aware.
My mate has had this issue recently so I asked the local traffic cops and got this response
Hi,
If a vehicle is blocking a legal driveway with a drop kerb and there's no car on the drive it can still be issued with a TOR for unnecessary obstruction we call this more an inconvenience. If a car is blocking a drive and there's a car on the drive that needs to get off it's issued with the sane TOR but we can also tow it away.
Cars blocking drop kerbs especially with tactile paving can also be issued with a unnecessary obstruction TOR. This does not include driveways from kerbs.
simmy, our local force did do this, but it seems they have decided not to anymore. I have had this issue before and a cop was able to trace the owner and call them to ask them to move. One time owner did not answer so cops ticketed them. Was about 10years ago though.
Feel lucky it's just your drive.
I live in Ottery St Mary (famous for the Nov 5th Tar Barrels, when thousands of drunks invade the town).
Last year someone actually parked on my lawn.
*edit....I may have put cat poo on their door handles 😳
Last year someone actually parked on my lawn.
Blimey, were you able to do anything about it?
It isn't a major problem as long as they are gone by the time my delivery comes.
Blimey, were you able to do anything about it?
See edit above ^
Police too busy dealing with 1000's of drunks, and only one road open into the town.
I suspect my method means they won't do it again!
simmy, our local force did do this
I forgot to say, I'm in Manchester
What area are you ?
Reading this thread has proved yet again that some on here are inconsiderate towards others.
No surprise.
What sort of turd thinks it’s okay to park in front of a dropped curb if there is no car parked in the driveway? Idiots.
Wouldn’t that mean it’s only worth having a driveway with a parking space and a drooped curb, if you never moved your car from the driveway (for those hard of thinking, what would be the point in that?). The lack of self awareness from certain people we get on here continues to astonish me. I’d love to hear the imbeciles above justify their thought process on how they think this is okay? Wouldn’t it mean that when the owner returns there is one more car to park on what is likely to be a very packed road? Doubt they would have even thought about that.
I may be reading some commments the wrong way but are some people seriously suggesting it's acceptable to park across a driveway if there are no cars parked in it and block access into the driveway?
OP, does yours have a solid while line painted across it or is it of of the newer drop kerb conversions that was applied for?
I find it hard to believe, but people do seem to be suggesting exactly that alextemper.
I don't think so. Just that dropped kerbs that aren't in use are fair gameI may be reading some commments the wrong way but are some people seriously suggesting it's acceptable to park across a driveway if there are no cars parked in it and block access into the driveway?
Nope. It's exactly the same number. Maybe give it some more thought before hurling abuse, although the point is somewhat moot as no-one is suggesting parking in front of an active driveway despite what you think.Wouldn’t it mean that when the owner returns there is one more car to park on what is likely to be a very packed road?
nickjb - MemberSeems fair enough. You aren't using the drive for a car so the space in front is fair game imo. We have a few dropped kerbs on our road. Some people use their driveway/garage, some don't. Those that do don't get parked in front of.
nickjb - MemberExcept you aren't blocked in are you? I understand it's a bit annoying but it is a public highway.
Probably best to let us know if this is a misunderstanding or trolling, otherwise I'll have to conclude you are a first class doofus.
Kryton is expressing a sigh of relief, as the 'gross profiteering' post is no longer the most stupid thing I've read on STW this year.
Yep. Pretty sure you are misunderstanding 😆Probably best to let us know if this is a misunderstanding
Nope. It's exactly the same number. Maybe give it some more thought before hurling abuse, although the point is somewhat moot as no-one is suggesting parking in front of an active driveway despite what you think.
5plusn8 - MemberExcept you aren't blocked in are you?
The dumpy bags that I want moved are blocked in. I cannot access my own property.
5plusn8 - MemberGrrrrr.
I normally park on my drive, for the last week I have had a few dumpy bags of topsoil on my drive for some raised beds. There are still 2 bags there. So nobody can park on my drive.
It's clearly active.
are some people seriously suggesting it's [b]acceptable[/b] to park across a driveway if there are no cars parked in it and block access into the driveway?
It's more that it's not illegal... which is bonkers. In Scotland it's even worse, there's very little you can do if someone decides to park their car on your property.
Nope. It's exactly the same number. Maybe give it some more thought before hurling abuse, although the point is somewhat moot as no-one is suggesting parking in front of an active driveway despite what you think.
What exactly are you suggesting then?
Angeldust, I thought it was just me. Following a similar theme there have been double yellows introduced recently along the side of my house and the opposite side of the road as the continuous double parking on both sides caused access issues into the road for emergency vehicles. These lines also run across my driveway. For some reason people now parking illegally think it's better to park on the yellows and block my driveway rather than park on the same stretch of lines on the road 20 yards down by the side of my house.
I'd love to know the thought process that goes on to make this type of decision.
Just that dropped kerbs that aren't in use are fair game
And who decides they aren't in use? Fair enough if you've spoken to the owner and they've said they don't use the drive, but in the OP's case I'd hardly say it's fair game, stuff on the drive would suggest access is needed. In their case it seems like whoever parked in front of it is a bit of a prick.
OP, does yours have a solid while line painted across it
AFAIK the white lines which are Access Protection Markings have little, if any, legal enforcibility.
EDIT:
In Scotland
If you access your driveway by a dropped kerb and regularly have problems with vehicles blocking your access, you can apply for an access protection marking.An access protection marking is an advisory marking which is used to highlight a dropped kerb to motorists.
Access protection markings can not be enforced by Police Scotland. Police Scotland can, however, take action against vehicles obstructing your access without the need for the marking.
ebennett - MemberJust that dropped kerbs that aren't in use are fair game
And who decides they aren't in use? Fair enough if you've spoken to the owner and they've said they don't use the drive, but in the OP's case I'd hardly say it's fair game, stuff on the drive would suggest access is needed. In their case it seems like whoever parked in front of it is a bit of a prick.
Exactly. I would describe anyone that condones the action in the same way.
It's inconsiderate but legal. There are several in our road that are parked across as they are never used.
Alextemper, I think you only get the white line if it is not possible to see if a vehicle is being blocked in. I.e. there is a garage or the hard standing is behind gates. We have the only white line on the road due to having a garage out back. Doesn't stop idiots parking across it (or the disabled bay next door) unfortunately. On the plus side as we are very close to a school our council accepts photos of parked vehicles to its enforcement team :).
Wouldn’t it mean that when the owner returns there is one more car to park on what is likely to be a very packed road?
nickjb
Nope. It's exactly the same number. Maybe give it some more thought before hurling abuse, although the point is somewhat moot as no-one is suggesting parking in front of an active driveway despite what you think.
If he can park on his [b]drive[/b] that is one less car on the [b]busy road[/b]. What don't you understand here?
Nope. It's exactly the same number.
Um no it's not? If you've got 5 cars parked on the road, one of which is blocking someone's drive, when the owner returns you'll have 6 cars parked on the road rather than 5 on the road and one on the drive.
Probably best to let us know if this is a misunderstanding or trolling, otherwise I'll have to conclude you are a first class doofus.Kryton is expressing a sigh of relief, as the 'gross profiteering' post is no longer the most stupid thing I've read on STW this year.
Right now, it appears to be the stupidest thing I've read on STW this year. Congratulations :wink:!
The Traffic Management Act does give local authorities the option to enforce against dropped kerbs if they choose. Typically they priorities their own drops which assist people crossing the carriageway but will enforce against private access drops such as this if the property owner is willing to counter sign the Civil Enforcement Officers pocket book.
If the LA, do exercise this power, the police can enforce it, but are often unaware and not keen even if they are aware.
Simple answer, start knocking on doors.
ebennett - MemberNope. It's exactly the same number.
Um no it's not? If you've got 5 cars parked on the road, one of which is blocking someone's drive, when the owner returns you'll have 6 cars parked on the road rather than 5 on the road and one on the drive.
Again, exactly. I'm struggling to believe someone could be quite this dim, must be a misunderstanding.
Maybe davidtaylorforth has a new login? His efforts under his current one have got a tad obvious of late 😀
For the benefit of anyone that may have misread the first post:
5plusn8 - MemberGrrrrr.
[b] I normally park on my drive[/b], for the last week I have had a few dumpy bags of topsoil on my drive for some raised beds. There are still 2 bags there. So nobody can park on my drive.
Jeez there are some arseholes on here
I would never dream of parking in front of someones drive if it had a dropped kerb regardless if there was a car or not in it, if i did id fully expect to have a big scrape down the side pr flat tyres....its bad enough when its just some one runnign an errand that dumps the car, if this person has actively chose to do so over a few days over a busy christmas period when the drive owner may well want access its totally unnaceptable
How does the owner of the car parked know that owner of thr drive isnt coming back or wants to use the drive over christmas? Purely selfish english attitude if it was outside my drive id be ****in livid tbh any one suggestings its ok ( unless you have permission off the owner or knowingly know the neighbour doesnt use said drive) then you are a utter utter C***
dmorts - Member
are some people seriously suggesting it's acceptable to park across a driveway if there are no cars parked in it and block access into the driveway?
It's more that it's not illegal... which is bonkers. In Scotland it's even worse, there's very little you can do if someone decides to park their car on your property.
If it has a solid white line across the entrance then it's an issue it no a police matter. Unaware of the law when it comes to property in Scotland but that sounds crazy. I had the issue once where someone refused to move on after parking in mine for a spot of lunch. I informed them that they would be risking damage to their car on my property that I wouldn't be responsible for as I started clearing out my garage throwing tools and bricks over my shoulder as I went. They soon moved on.
ebennett - MemberMaybe davidtaylorforth has a new login? His efforts under his current one have got a tad obvious of late
Yeah, has to be a troll :-).
I had this happen to me several years ago whilst doing up the house.
Had popped to the local DIY store to pick up some bags of sand and cement.
Arrived back to find a car parked across the drive, despite there being an empty road with space for several cars 10ft in front of where they had parked.
Luckily it wasn't in gear and a quick deployment of a trolly jack saw the offending item making it way down the road.
I was quite keen of leaving it in a........well thankfully I had calmed down by then and someone acted as a voice of reason.
However very inconsiderate people 🙁 and yes I did knock doors
Loving the "if its not in use its fair game" comments.
I'm sure you'd be saying exactly that after you returned from the shops to find someones parked across your drive.
Definitely try contacting your local authority tomorrow morning. Take some photos too. Our Council will send an traffic enforcement officer over on a bike to ticket vehicles parked across dropped curbs if you complain. Good luck!
Eh? You are describing a drive that is "in use" so not applicable.Loving the "if its not in use its fair game" comments.I'm sure you'd be saying exactly that after you returned from the shops to find someones parked across your drive.
Inconsiderate parking is one o the few things that wind me up. We live on a narrow, windy road with double yellows outside our house and all the way up where it narrows.
There’s a church down the road so weekends in summer it’s people at weddings, Sunday’s it’s elederly people running late, xmas it’s carol services. This year we were out when the army services one was in, its without s doubt the worst offending. Last year 3 cars were damaged as people could barely squeee past them parked on blind corners, double yellows. This year when we came home from the pub the police were there having ticketed every single car and were waiting to have a chat. Good, utter PITA.
2 weeks before someone parked with about 30% of their car across our driveway. My sister, a paramedic had dropped in and couldn’t be get out! Interrupted the church service to get Mr McFat to move his car, he got a ticket and lecture from the cops as well.
I try and ignore it but sometimes I just have to have a chat if we are blocked in. Usual defence is I’m late or it’s a one off - we have it every week though
One less car but also one less space so neutral. This is in your made up scenario of parking in front of an active driveway that I'll emphasize again [b]no-one[/b] is advocating.If he can park on his drive that is one less car on the busy road. What don't you understand here?
nickjb - MemberLoving the "if its not in use its fair game" comments.
I'm sure you'd be saying exactly that after you returned from the shops to find someones parked across your drive.
Eh? You are describing a drive that is "in use" so not applicable.
Apologies for repeating myself, but first line in the first post of this thread:
5plusn8 - Member
Grrrrr.
I normally park on my drive, for the last week I have had a few dumpy bags of topsoil on my drive for some raised beds.
Are you saying it is not active because he has temporarily put some bags of topsoil in his drive rather than his car? At what point does it become fair game to park your car on the dropped curb in front? 5 minutes after delivery? 10?
What about when all the topsoil has been moved to the back garden and the bags are empty? Does it immediately become 'an active' driveway the moment that last spadeful had been moved, or not until you have decided to move your car that is blocking him out? Nonsense :roll:.
nickjb - MemberIf he can park on his drive that is one less car on the busy road. What don't you understand here?
One less car but also one less space so neutral. This is in your made up scenario of parking in front of an active driveway that I'll emphasize again no-one is advocating.
It's not a made up scenario. We are discussing the OP's scenario. The space in front of his driveway is not a parking space (and thus cannot be counted as such) - it needs to be kept free for access. The only way your argument makes sense is if you class his driveway as non-active (it clearly is active - that is the point of the OP's post!). Please go ahead and tell us why the OP's driveway is non active?
it needs to be kept free for access
There's been bags of topsoil in the way for the last week.
Use it or lose it.
Space is at a premium in this country. The OP seems to want to have his cake and eat it.
These lines also run across my driveway.
A couple of years ago, the council wanted to put yellow lines at the side of my house, just where my neighbours and I park. Think they wanted to go 15 metres in from the main road which would have put the yellow lines straight across my drive.
After some advice from here, think it's was Onzadog, I got them trimmed back to 10 metres only so I can block my own driveway off. Might sound stupid, but the yellow lines won't stop anyone parking there but I'm in a bit of a catch 22 situation as, if my car is in the drive, I block the drive with the van and vice versa.
The guy at the council understood fully. When I'm out, I block my own drive off so I can get back in.
Amount of times I've been blocked despite it being a dropped kerb and massive " keep clear " signs on the gates is ridiculous. I think that as they are big double gates you cant see the other side of, people just think it's not in use.
I've even had it where I've just jumped in the van, which was parked across the drive, and only gone up the street to turn round then park up again and some idiot has come and parked across the drive. I even had the Hoover on the footpath which is the reason I was turning the van round.
I now open the gates in those situations so that they can see a car is on the drive
davidtaylforth - Memberit needs to be kept free for access
There's been bags of topsoil in the way for the last week.
Use it or lose it.
Space is at a premium in this country. The OP seems to want to have his cake and eat it.
😀 Have to admire a man unafraid to live up to his reputation 😀
davidtaylforth - Memberit needs to be kept free for access
There's been bags of topsoil in the way for the last week.
Use it or lose it.
Space is at a premium in this country. The OP seems to want to have his cake and eat it.
How do you know that today isnt the day that the owner of the house is going to move the top soil to the rear/somewhere else of the house for what it was intended to be used for and then park on his drive.
No one, other than the home owner would so that's useless inexcusable rationale.
Larry_Lamb - Memberdavidtaylforth - Member
it needs to be kept free for access
There's been bags of topsoil in the way for the last week.
Use it or lose it.
Space is at a premium in this country. The OP seems to want to have his cake and eat it.How do you know that today isnt the day that the owner of the house is going to move the top soil to the rear/somewhere else of the house for what it was intended to be used for and then park on his drive.
No one, other than the home owner would so that's useless inexcusable rationale.
Larry, taylforth is just trolling for humorous effect (see above). nickjb is not, but I fear he may just have misunderstood the original post, but now feels he has to stand his ground to save face :roll:.
I wonder if those saying it's fair game to park across his drive would feel the same if it was their drive?
Not allowed to do DIY today. Haven't you seen the [i]Building work, on boxing day[/i] post.How do you know that today isnt the day that the owner of the house is going to move the top soil
I'd never even consider parking over someone's drive, It's a simple case of consideration for others & if you think it's ok then your'e an inconsiderate, selfish dick. End of.
Park across my drive & you'll find yourself well & truly blocked in, legally of course. Bring a fork lift cos you'd need one.
yep. No problem. I don't use my garage for vehicles so have no problem with people parking in front of it. Same as several others on my road.I wonder if those saying it's fair game to park across his drive would feel the same if it was their drive?
I understand the OP's case is a grey area. He's stated his drive isn't and cannot be used for parking so I can see why someone may have have parked in front of it but this is only a temporary situation so I can also see why it has caused friction.
Larry, taylforth is just trolling for humorous effect
I'm not sure about that 😉
nickjb - MemberI wonder if those saying it's fair game to park across his drive would feel the same if it was their drive?
yep. No problem. I don't use my garage for vehicles so have no problem with people parking in front of it. Same as several others on my road.I understand the OP's case is a grey area. He's stated his drive isn't and cannot be used for parking so I can see why someone may have have parked in front of it but this is only a temporary situation so I can also see why it has caused friction.
😀 so the presence of the bags of topsoil, which any sane person would deem to be temporary, would be enough for you to think that the driveway is inactive? It's not a grey area.
How do you know that today isnt the day that the owner of the house is going to move the top soil to the rear/somewhere else of the house for what it was intended to be used for and then park on his drive.No one, other than the home owner would so that's useless inexcusable rationale.
Several people have raised this. Are you going to address it?
davidtaylforth - MemberLarry, taylforth is just trolling for humorous effect
I'm not sure about that
The rest of us are 😆
We have a work site with 20 foot of dropped kerb to allow access for plant and lorries, inevitably, people park in front of it, despite the timber stack, despite the working machinery and despite the Land Rover parked down the track.
Best thing we find is to nip down with the tractor and put a load of stumps down to stop anyone else parking there before we get fully blocked in. Also good practice with the crane to see how closely you can place the stumps. We're usually off-site before they get back from their walk.
This bit of dropped kerb is also where people park after they have filled up the area marked "No parking, turning area".
I used to live next to a footy ground - people used to park wherever there was a couple of feet of space, including one muppet who parked over a neighbours garage door so he couldn't get out. Suffice to say when he got back from the match he didn't have the ability to move his own car for a very long time whilst the neightbour gave him some grief and told him his missus had taken the car keys so he couldn't move the other cars.
With the amount of selfish people in cars these days I don't even know why I'm surprised that some people think it's ok for them to make the decision on whether or not the occupant of a house can use their drive 😯
That decision to any normal person with even the slightest bit of consideration for others is an easy one 😕
MarkBrewer - MemberWith the amount of selfish people in cars these days I don't even know why I'm surprised that some people think it's ok for them to make the decision on whether or not the occupant of a house can use their drive
That decision to any normal person with even the slightest bit of consideration for others is an easy one
Based on the 'logic' displayed by some in this thread, you might need to clarify exactly what that easy decision is :lol:.
I had my car dragged from in front of a storage garage by a caretaker once. I’d have probably throttled him at the time but by the time I spoke to him next day I could see his point, so chalked it up to experience.
Give the car a good rocking till the alarm goes off, when the responsible person comes out do your rant. If not the trolley jack trick works really well once you know which are the braked wheels.
I've had the 24 hour access signs ignored, by church goers on a Sunday. I needed access to a telephone exchange, with an entrance that needed three cars to totally block. Whole pile of equipment that I needed to move, so walked across the road into a packed church gave a bloody loud announcement (and I do real loud) gave it 15 mins, called the local copshop and had all three cars towed away none too gentile.
none too gentile.
Church or synagogue?