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Ok hes 7month old and has started waking up and screaming (arching his back as if in pain).
Hes cheeks aren't red and hes not 'biting' when you stick your finger into his mouth. Hes not hungry and he doesnt have a temperature. The Doc thinks its 'wind' (how?).
What should we do? We are climbing the walls with lack of sleep 🙁
did you keep the receipt?
It'll get better or you'll get used to. Get bonking pronto and make another one. They'll make it stereo, much better sound than mono.
Could be [url= http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/html/infant_colic.html ]Colic[/url].
The Doc thinks its 'wind' (how?).
The docs probably right. No temperature, in pain and not hungry or wet/dirty means it's probably wind. My little one suffered with it for about 2 months and then seemed to grow out of it.
Stop feeding him your left over curries.
Could be Colic.
We should have bought shares in [url= http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews62457.html ]Infacol[/url] we used that much of it when the Beamlet was brand new.
i feel your pain
only lasted four months for us
no idea what works
try infacol. Worked with ours.
Could be colic. Are you winding him before he goes down?
My eldest was like this for a couple of months. Time to DTFU I'm afraid.
Perhaps he has been on here and realised who his Dad is ?
They all do it we never really know why DTFU and get used to it
I did 3 years without ever getting a full nights sleep- his 18 mth younger brother was sleeping through before him.
It is tough you have my sympathy
Piriton can be misused [safely] as a sleeping aid - cant rememeber from what age
My daughter suffered with bad wind around 3 months and as above Infacol did the trick, now at 7 months she sleeps all through the night.
She's great.
do people still give gripe water?
hora, you could try infacol or gripe water (does the same thing)
If you are using bottles to feed, some kids dont get on with some bottles, I found these bottles did the trick.. the teat has a pipe that syphens off the bubbles... something like that.. but it seemed to work for my boy...
[url= http://www.drbrowns.co.uk/index.php ]http://www.drbrowns.co.uk/index.php[/url]
like muggomagic said... really try to get the wind up...
no sleep is savage.
An arching back would seem to indicate wind. Is he comforted when you put him up on your shoulder gut first? Try massaging his back at the same time.
Hopefully he will grow out of it.
All 3 of mine have been buggers for sleeping for various reasons.
You do have sympathy about the lack of and broken sleep it makes you feel like a zombie.
I tried riding after a few days of this and you just feel physically spent dont you? Nothing there. 😐
He will get over it at some point, just keep telling yourself that.
Also, think about it from his point of view. The poor little chap must be in a lot of pain to be doing what he is doing.
I tried riding after a few days of this and you just feel physically spent dont you? Nothing there.
you should go out on your bike then
Ho Hum. I know. Its not nice to witness and feel helpless.
Right will have the above stuff for tonight 🙂
Like said above, try DrBrown bottles, worked for us. From memory I think you can get them from Boots, Asda or Tescos.
One of those things you'll just have to live through, I think.
Our boy would sleep ok if slightly upright in a pushchair but only if it were moving. We used to take it in turns to sit in the lounge rockign it back and forth. 2 hours on, 2 hours off. Only lasted for 3 months and after that he went back to sleeping in his bed and waking every 2 hours for about 20 minutes. I see you can buy treadmills to put the pushchair on now - I'd have bought one!
Doesn't colic usually go after they are about 3-4 months?
Our 2 year old now sleeps 12+ hours a night. Another one due in Feb so we are about to completely ruin our nights all over again!
Infacol or gripe water (which is less sugary). Indeed does sound like colic/wind. It'll pass... mine ( 2yrs) sat on my knee this morning, told me he was going to 'toot' and let rip with the most disgusting stench before running off laughing
told me he was going to 'toot' and let rip with the most disgusting stench before running off laughing
You must be very proud. I would be.
Yeah most likely wind (I thought the same as surf-mat about colic being past at 7 months).
Try winding him halfway through his bedtime bottle then again at the end. But every child is different (our two - one still needs that doing at 16 months, the other can go down without winding at all).
Does sound like wind.
Think all parents have been there, its not nice, welcome to the 3am club 😉
Just another thought, he's not having probs. poping one out is he?
How's your winding technique? Lie over the shoulder and rub the back is a good start, but to really get the wind out (both ends) I used to sit son on lap, one hand on tummy and perform slow baby sit ups. Seemed to reach the air pockets other methods failed to reach.
And sadly, it's a question of DTFU, went about five years without proper sleep... You'll get used to it.
bicyle legs work well if it's farts rather than burps too.
I told him to do it. I said "annoy yer pops as much as he annoys us on STW young un"
I'm glad to see he's listening.
Mwuahahahahaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
bicyle legs work well if it's farts rather than burps too.
+1
I do them too, for some reason my wife thinks its juvenile
With regard to OP, its maybe a little late for colic (as SM thinks)? But anyways its just one of them things to get through and wait for the next challenge.
I found ear plugs worked well 😉
Our eldest suffered with reflux that would have him act a bit like that sometimes. Doc prescribed Infant Gaviscon to give him. Worked wonders.
Our eldest suffered with reflux that would have him act a bit like that sometimes. Doc prescribed Infant Gaviscon to give him.
Ours had this until 6 months old - puke everywhere all the time, screamed every time he was fed. Took two weeks (and not from a GP) to work out what it was. Infant Gaviscon via a syringe before every single feed. Still hurled a lot but at least it didn't hurt him. Never had a problem gaining weight strangely enough.
this place gets more like mumsnet everyday 🙄
No it doesn't - one thread out of hundreds about babies.
There is an options called "look at the bloody obvious title and if you aren't interested, don't read it"
You could try raising the head of the cot by a couple of inches so he sleeps on a slight slope.
Our little one had colic - infacol didn't work as well for us as [url= http://www.colief.com/ ]colief[/url] did. It was more expensive, but easier to administer and relieved the trapped wind.
+1 for the bike legs too. Gets them used to a pedalling motion nice and early 😉
this place gets more like mumsnet everyday
Erm, some of the topics on there remind me of a bitter and twisted male(s) of STW.
'My mans just walked out' (I wonder why)
'He wont sleep with me anymore' (I wonder why)
'He keeps going with Prostitutes' (anything but you huh)
can someone tell me what DTFU means? ❓
I guess its Dad The **** Up.
Diet: His tea chicken, beef or lentils puréed with veg along with fruit.
(Protein heavy with the meat?) Will try just just puréed veg tonight.
Along with yoghurt after.
+1 for Colic, which is what I spend the evening hours doing. She'll burp eventually.
Infacol seems to have variable results. Others we know have moved onto Colief, which seems to be working better. Might try that.
What time does he eat/have bedtime milk and what time to bed?
try putting her on her tummy for a bit to push out the farts, + make sure you are getting all the burps out too.
Sometimes they don't get on with the type of milk (despite them being very similar). My son was teribbly constipated with SMA but fine on Aptamil.
My son had bad reflux which caused him to do this but was solved with omeprazol medication, which is much more effective than infant gaviscon (although very expensive for the NHS) We started using infacol too, but found it useless, colief was much better, and from what local chemist said too, more people have sucess with that rather than infacol.
The consultant pediatrician we saw said that children should naturally start to grow out of colic around 6/7 months, and infant reflux should reduce about the same time if food is introduced, however it can still be a problem.
If it is Reflux it should be bad during the day as well though if playing on the floor or horizontal etc, and baby will arch back etc. Same with Colic really, although it could just be trapped wind, which is different to Colic.
All the above stopped in our son when he was 5 months old, but for the last few weeks he has been waking up all through the night either talking or just crying, and yes its knackering!
Work out first if you think it is true Colic or Reflux, google both you will find plenty of info.
We have now just put our 6 month old down to going through a month long growth spurt !
I've just remembered something that I haven't mentioned as yet- Zach sleeps on his back. He always wakes up coughing which then turns into a scream/howl etc.
Hard to describe but it sounds like small forced-coughs.
99% of the time its a cough cough cough cough on the monitor....I think of it as the dreaded-cough noise. Both of us turn and look at each other with dread at that sound.
His diet sounds very healthy probably similar to what my two ate, however it may be a potent windy cocktail you are giving him, could it be the vegetables and fruit are making him windy and bit burpy? Could be lost of acidic fruit is making him reflux? Try some baby rice/rice or pasta to fill him up rather than the vegetables? Ours ate spag bol and chilli con carni pureed loved it! easy on spicy stuff though eh!
On teh coughing note mine both went through phases of this, seems to pass, was related to frequently snotty noses dripping into throat. It like most things has stopped.
Good luck!
turn the baby monitor off
a couple of things worth trying. do you massage him after his bath at night? there are specific massages that you do to stop wind / colic, worth looking at. it sounds more wind, so plenty of winding after the last feed too
Get some Colocynth granules but you need to persist with them. Then when that's over stock up on Ashton and Parsons powders for teething.
Oh and gradually turn the sensitivity of the monitor down as everyone is super cautious to begin with - quite rightly!
Baby monitor....
He's a tiny baby, alone in the dark.
Name me another mammal that leaves its young alone...
You want peace and quiet, put him in your room or better still, in your bed.
We did it with 3 kids...
How the hell did you manage to procreate the 2nd and third time?
Thank you everyone. He only woke up once last night (11.30pm) as he was hungry - we only fed him a bland veg puree for tea.
The war is not won but by God we cornered the bugger in this theatre of operations.
You want peace and quiet, put him in your room or better still, in your bed.
We did it with 3 kids...
brave to admit that on here.
we did that too. we even did it with our twins 🙂
It might not be wind. Our second lad did the same and in the end we took him to a physio who found out that he had a slight problem in his neck which in turn effected his hip. It wasn't a big problem and just one session sortred him out. If he had a bit of a trumatic birth they can sometimes get problems in their necks afterwards.
Another thing we found out was if the child gets anti biotics after birth this can really mess with the natural 'flora' in the gut and so the child can have a tummy ache because of this. We were adviced to give our little lad some probiotic powder in his porridge as he had a bad appitite and after 3 days he was eating like a horse.
Anyway, my advice is if it continues you should maybe consult a child physio, I believe its worth doing anyway.
By heck Brant. How do you approach conjugal rights?
Against the bathroom sink whilst brushing teeth? 😯
By heck Brant. How do you approach conjugal rights?
Against the bathroom sink whilst brushing teeth? 😯
"Thank you everyone. He only woke up once last night"
good news...
He only woke up once last night
At 16 months, our twins have just started to regularly sleep through - 7pm till 7.30am (after a long run of illnesses kept disrupting their routines).
It is blissful (although we do still find ourselves waking early as we are so used to being up in the night now).
hora - Member
By heck Brant. How do you approach conjugal rights?Against the bathroom sink whilst brushing teeth?
We had similar problems with little children sleeping in our bed.
Our second was in the spare bedroom and the third was downstairs in the lounge, ho hum...
Anyway, good to hear that all of you had a better sleep.
Get it in while you can though as the little chap still has teething to come 😆
Name me another mammal that leaves its young alone...
Me.
She slept from 12-6 or 7 with one feed from like 4 weeks or something, she's been sleeping through from I dunno, 4 months? Onto the odd nightmare now mind, but she knows she gets comfort if she needs it.
All babies are different, remember that 🙂
[i]lightbreeze - Member
It might not be wind. Our second lad did the same and in the end we took him to a physio who found out that he had a slight problem in his neck which in turn effected his hip. It wasn't a big problem and just one session sortred him out. If he had a bit of a trumatic birth they can sometimes get problems in their necks afterwards.
Another thing we found out was if the child gets anti biotics after birth this can really mess with the natural 'flora' in the gut and so the child can have a tummy ache because of this. We were adviced to give our little lad some probiotic powder in his porridge as he had a bad appitite and after 3 days he was eating like a horse.
Anyway, my advice is if it continues you should maybe consult a child physio, I believe its worth doing anyway.
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Same with our Olivia - stiff neck = colic. Physio sorted neck = colic stopped
By heck Brant. How do you approach conjugal rights?
The marital bed isn't the only place for conjugal rights you know.
I know there are many many positions however as we get older the lazy-spoon position breaks through to the fore doesn't it? 8)
+1 for the Dr Brown bottles
Name me another mammal that leaves its young alone
Pretty much all of them when they go out to get food.
+1 for the gastric reflux suggestion. Worth investigating at least. Both ours had it, omeprazol and gaviscon kept it in check (although you get recurrences when they outgrow the omeprazol dose...) and both grew out of it.
Pretty much all of them when they go out to get food.
Yup that and why do people say silly comments like, "Oooh Gorillas never feed their young such food as lentils."
Oh FFS.
The last two nights hes been waking at circa 11pm, 2am and 5am. Only giving him breast milk calms him down and makes him sleep.
Help!!!
try gripe water
Wife's cousin (now 18) didn't sleep for more than two hours until she was 2!!
My sister's 8 month old is terrible at sleeping too - she's not had more than a few hours sleep in a block since he was born.
Not handy.
Ours was generally pretty good but we had some blips - at 3 months and a year old it got pretty bad. 12+ hours every night now without fail (unless ill).
Only giving him breast milk calms him down and makes him sleep.
Maybe he's hungry?
Babies go through mad growth spurts. They'll go merrily along eating X amount and then suddenly for a week they'll be insatiably hungry, like they've just completed a long bike ride. Could end up eating 2X or 3X food. If he drinks a lot when put on the breast, then that's what it is. If he just chews it a bit, then he just wants comfort and should be cuddled and comforted and hopefully rocked back to sleep.
Hunger = major cause of babies/toddlers waking up, imo. Their lil bodies are flooded with growth hormone at random. Our 18mo goes through a spurt every so often and wakes at 2, 3 or 4am. Otherwise, she sleeps through bar the odd nightmare, and when it's a nightmare you just comfort her and she goes back.
Growth spurts are expected and won't last long 🙂 Just make sure you get as much food down him as you can in the daytime and evening.
Oh and isn't he approaching 6mo? Are you introducing solids? Might need to ramp up the solids to fill him up.
Tend to agree with Molgrips - at his age he will be going through spurts and as he isn't on big solid meals, food is digested very quickly.
There is no simple answer, but just try to keep an eye on the night feeds and nip it in the bud the minute you think the cries are just for attention.
Unfortunately it goes with the territory - have kids, gonna be woken up sometimes.
Ohh, and cluster feed - get him used to eating lots on an evening in readiness for a long stint without food. Ours get milk at 3.30pm, big meal at 5.30pm and bedtime bottles at 7pm so they are storing up loads of food in readiness for the long sleeps.
Sounds daft(?) but if he wakes at 11pm give him pureed-veg?
I wouldn't have thought encouraging food at that time would be a good thing. Better to ride the storm and he'll learn to eat more earlier.
Have you tried a rusk biscuit or something with the bedtime milk? For a time one of ours had a bowl of cereal (weetabix) immediately before her bedtime milk.
Another thing you can try is baby rice in the bottle but I believe that is frowned upon now by health [s]interferers[/s] visitors.
Had similar with our second child. We opted for the complimentary medical route and had sessions from a cranio-sacral practioner. You can google for more info. Had definite results and much more settled baby = happy parents who sleep. Would definitely reccomend.
Yep - dropping a late feed is a case of being cruel to be kind - painful but worth it in the end!
I wouldn't have thought encouraging food at that time would be a good thing. Better to ride the storm and he'll learn to eat more earlier
Hmm.. possibly. Ours really wants to sleep all night though, and only wakes up if she's starving. So we feed her if we know she's on a spurt, and she goes back down again almost straight away often. So the idea of night time being sleepy time is reinforced with sleep - rather than making it a time for being miserable and fighting parents.
Just a thought. And I've only had one kid so my experience is limited 🙂
Yeah I agree with you Molgrips [i]Tend to agree with Molgrips - at his age he will be going through spurts and as he isn't on big solid meals, food is digested very quickly.
There is no simple answer, but just try to keep an eye on the night feeds and nip it in the bud the minute you think the cries are just for attention.[/i]
I was referring to not encouraging pureed food and stuff late at night - at that age they will still be needing milk sometimes if on a spurt.
Don't worry Hora - it really isn't like that forever. It just feels like it is in the middle of it.
Ohh, and tonight I am going to a gig, having a few beers and staying in a hotel so a nice unbroken, quiet night's sleep for me (apart from my brother snoring and farting in the bed next to me). 🙂
What's Mrs MF getting?