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So,
Out enjoying the sun earlier, walking back down the main road and there's this big group of about ten to twenty young kids, all lads, making lots of noise and shouting in Urdu (all Asian), interspersed with plenty of swearing in English etc. Acting like boisterous little dicks basically.
Next thing I see them throw a biscuit at this Woman which bounces off her head (stop giggling at the back!), and a bit later something happened with an old guy at the bus stop who was stood waving his stick at them and shouting that he's going to phone the police, with them just all shouting "F*cking Bastard" and more stuff in Urdu etc.
Now all I did at the time was stand there glaring at them, muttering 'bloody kids' etc. But what I wanted to do was grab the biggest one, hold him upside down and dunk him in a dog turd. Obviously, one can't do such things as you'd likely be done for child abuse and carted off to the nonce wing. Nevertheless, I now feel I should've done or said [i]something[/i]. If only to show that their behavior wasn't acceptable. But what?
Can non-parents chip in?
Of course. I'm a non-breeder myself, hence the question 🙂
Just thought parents would have good tactics for handling brats.
Post up an angry tweet on twitter ?
#nobber_y00t
No tips for that other than call the police . Groups like that cause serious upset for a comunity and ought to be a local policing priority. Confronting them yourself will not end well either you batter one and get arrested or they batter you.
[quote=jambourgie ]Just thought parents would have good tactics for handling brats.
But all our children are lovely - why would we know anything about brats?
I thought this was going to be one for Harry the Spider, but perhaps not.
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Not angry, they're just kids. I just felt sorry for the woman and old man. We were just as bad I'm sure, only difference being in the early 80's you were likely to get a hiding sooner or later.
Call the police and encourage neighbours too as well. The more it's reported the more police will take note and eventually will start patrolling and bring in a dispersal order in the area.
Is it really a police matter? The oldest couldn't have been older than 14. I was hoping for a proven method of getting them to pack it in, without violence, and without passing it on to the police.
somouk - MemberCall the police and encourage neighbours too as well. The more it's reported the more police will take note and eventually will start patrolling and bring in a dispersal order in the area.
pretty much it giving them verbal will see them verbal or biscuit you and giving none a clip round the ear will see you in the cells for assaulting one of the little dhalings.
Does it matter that they were speaking in Urdu ?
Were the victims white ? Do you think it could be a race thing ? If so report to the fuzz.
What part of the world you in ?
Does it matter that they were speaking in Urdu ?
Not really, just a lot of undecipherable noise (to my ears) hence the explanation.
Do you think it could be a race thing ?
Nah, just kids being kids.
What part of the world you in ?
Sheffield UK
Is it really a police matter? The oldest couldn't have been older than 14. I was hoping for a proven method of getting them to pack it in, without violence, and without passing it on to the police.
Anything you do will be seen as some form of confrontation. It's not a 999 police matter but something they know how to deal with and have systems to deal with.
Those kids will no doubt grow out of it but it can quickly make an area unbearable to live in for a few years while they think they own the place and if unreported now when it gets worse the police will have nothing on record for it.
buy some headphones !
Chucking food at someone, hassling an old guy - definitely a local policing matter.
If they were in school uniform take a picture and send it to the school.
Years ago I was driving past a mates house and about a dozen 16-18 year olds were trashing his front garden. He wasn't in but his mum was looking out the window in tears. Emergency stop, golf club pulled out the boot and I ran in and started clubbing them. Took about three of them down and the rest scarpered. Grabbed a hold of one and the other two crawled away. Made him apologise to my mates mum and clean up the mess. Then gave him a bash on the head and warned him never to come round this way again. Sometimes a sound thrashing is the only solution.
Sometimes a sound thrashing is the only solution
er nooooooooo !
Oldschool 😯
16-18 is basically grown men though. I draw the line at clubbing children with an iron rod. Until I have some of my own...
It doesn't matter if it was biscuit or a brick that was thrown, that was an assault. Report it to the Police.
I would not get involved in confrontation.
More probably Gujerati. When I was teaching a Gujerati-speaking colleague was able to translate some of the things I heard most, they weren't good.
The 101 non-emergency number seems to connect you almost directly to the neighbourhood bobbies round my way, but doesn't have the stigma of dialling 999.
Good luck tackling that many. 14 or not you'd probably end up on ya arse at best. Hate the little ****ers when they behave like that. Had a few "incidents" with a few kids lately much to the 12 year old daughters dismay!
[i]Sometimes a sound thrashing is the only solution.[/i]
Not allowed anymore due to PC bollox, human rights crap & all the other shite that's turning this country into the Mamby Pamby place it now is. Unfortunately.
Mind you, you could've always shouted at the top of you voice, 'stop doing that at once, It's naughty & you should be ashamed of yourselves, think of the people who own the garden & how they feel about your actions'....etc etc etc. That might have had some effect, like some choice words from their end back to you. Naa, I think the golf club idea was a good one.
I wish I'd stolen their biscuits at least.
I like BoardingBob's style. Was it an Iron or a Driver lol good on ya
What sort of biscuit was it? Are we talking jaffa cake, wagon wheel or borboun? Coz I reckon a bourbon would really hurt.
The PC human rights nanny state has taken away the rights of the people to manage themselves or their family members. You are basically the children of the bureaucratic state. Your life style is artificially being controlled by the zombie maggot state.
In the developing far east world we never/very seldom encountered such behaviour amongst teens at all even though we would machete each other to death (we like that), no teenagers would be so stupid to cause trouble.
Oh ya ... nothing you can do I am afraid, your country you mess up.
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Water cannon.
I think it's a police matter. Section 5 public order offence at the minimum. Nothing might come of the specific incident if you do report it but if it's not reported a "pattern" isn't recognised so in modern policing there is no problem to deal with.
A good neighbourhood officer will have some contacts in the community, maybe with mosques/temples etc. and might be able to tackle it indirectly that way.
Personally, I always felt that a midnight phone call to a parent to say little Johnny was enjoying the hospitality of our custody centre was an excellent way to galvanise them into taking action against their offspring's behaviour.
rwamartin - MemberI think it's a police matter.
Why is it always a police matter?
You call police for this?
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[i]In the developing far east world we never/very seldom encountered such behaviour amongst teens at all even though we would machete each other to death (we like that), no teenagers would be so stupid to cause trouble.[/i]
I've seen the same in India, youths being given a clip round the ear by 'elders' for being lippy or just disrespectful. Seems to work.
Bring back the British Bobby!!
What sort of biscuit was it? Are we talking jaffa cake, wagon wheel or borboun? Coz I reckon a bourbon would really hurt.
Spot on. It was a Jaffa Cake. Now I really wish I'd [s]stolen[/s] confiscated them.
Yeah it's a police matter
the options are 1) police 2) take them on 3) do nothing
2 results in escalating agression and you are outnumbered, 3 means their behaviour is not modified
so you get the police to turn up and make their presence felt, nobody would expect them to start cuffing and bringing the TAU unless there are a few nasty ones in the group (and if there are you would be glad you didn't go for option 2)
edhornby - MemberYeah it's a police matter
In a zombie maggot bureaucratic state that is the correct option or option 3.
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Not sure a jaffa 'cake' even qualifies as a biscuit.
Most parent with kids like these would just ignore them and open another bottle of * beer, wine, whiskey, delete as applicable and continue to chat with their mates with the occasional," oh (insert annoying kids name here) don't do that" whilst sounding so appThetic that the kid obviously ignores themmand continues with it's mayhem,
Why is it always a police matter?You call police for this?
Ideally no. I would like to live in a society where a) this sort of behaviour didn't happen and b) that on the rare occasion it did, it would be dealt with by those that were witnessing it taking place acting together to make it stop. Unfortunately because people tend to cross the road rather than get involved or, when they do, are not supported or face allegations of racism/excessive force etc. we have to resort to the police to do society's work for us.
your country you mess up.
yep.
I witnessed a very similar event to BoardingBob's outside in the street where I was living one balmy summer's eve..
It was past midnight, and I was sat with a rather lithe and accommodating young woman, passing the time politely, when the unmistakable sounds of a rumpus drifted in through the open window..
Being experienced and sophisticated townie's we hastened to the window to spectate as we heard the hullabulloo drawing nearer, and sure enough after a moment the melee turned a corner and entered our street giving us a grandstand view from our fourth storey flat..
It was hard to work out what exactly was happening at first, 10 to 15 youths in their mid teens involved in some sort of a skirmish, with lots of to-ing and fro-ing and scattering but not really any actual action or sign of distinct factions.. until a mate of mine emerged in the midst of it all with a 12' branch ( I say branch, but bough would be a wholly more accurate description) ranting and raving and chasing the terrified youths hither and yon..
A champion boxer in his teens, although sadly turned full time alcoholic and embittered by hardship, this fella was a local character known more for his bark than his bite by then, although on this occasion he had very definitely slipped his leash so to speak and was looking for blood..
I could see that he was starting to flag though, and although the youths had had far more fun than they had hoped for that evening and were keen to get home, I thought I would go down to ensure no-one came to any harm..
It transpired that the gang had attempted to mug him of his 17p that he had left in his pockets after a night on the rough, and outraged by this indecency he had chased them the 800 yards from the local park brandishing the first thing that came to hand.. He'd not landed a blow but when I arrived downstairs in my boxers I found two of the hefty youths cowering tearfully in my doorway frantically pressing all the doorbells in the hope of the sanctuary of a good natured samaritan..
We soon sent them packing and finished the evening with a few more scoops in my gaff, laughing heartily as we re-lived the scene whilst our hero regained his composure
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Not sure a jaffa 'cake' even qualifies as a biscuit.
[url= http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/vfoodmanual/vfood6260.htm ]The taxman wants a word. [/url]
Jamie - Freeloader! But we still like himNot sure a jaffa 'cake' even qualifies as a biscuit.
[b]The taxman wants a word[/b].
I totally surrender to the almighty power of the zombie maggot bureaucratic rules. 😆
have a word with yourself. a jaffa cake is not a biscuit. clue is in the name. 🙄
yunki, it was you, swinging the bough, wasn't it?
come on lad...
( nice picture drawn well though 😉 )
Wagon wheels aren't biscuits either.
I've nothing to add to the thread other than that my grandad helped invent the jaffa cake (he developed the jaffa orangey bit) and said "Of course it's a biscuit. Would you put them in the cake tin?" So hell with the tax man.
Del - 😀 Heh.. not me on this occasion, if I'd been for a night out on the rough it is highly unlikely that I would have any recollection of the incident..
The lithe and accommodating young lass stuck around for a while after and some months later dealt with an angry knife wielding youth in our stairwell..
He'd kicked off with some kids that shacked up smoking bongs in a bedsit at the end of our hall, and whilst a group of around 10 blokes stood at the top of the stairs fretting, she'd unscrewed one of the heavy porcelain doorknobs and calmly leant over the banister, spat '**** off ya little prick' and lobbed it at him, catching him square between the eyes and knocking him out cold.. 😯 😆
God I miss her sometimes 🙁
yuki.
You seem to have turned into captainflasheart. 😛
Kids like that just need a bit of verbal back to them. 8)
sorry - bin reading too much Noel Coward
Nice to see you back here mate. 🙂
Hope things are working out for you now.
It's not too bad thanks SSS... I'm actually quite enjoying the new circumstances on the quiet 🙂
I'm actually quite enjoying the new circumstances on the quiet
I bet you're lovin it. 🙂
If I'd only persuaded the lithe and accommodating young lady to marry me instead of the erstwhile Mrs Yunki, I probably wouldn't be sat here chatting to you bastards!! 😉
Life's actually pretty rosy all things considered, yes 😀
[i]Sometimes a sound thrashing is the only solution. [/i]
Yep, time and a place for everything.
I'd have phoned the police
poah - Member
I'd have phoned the police
A day late though 😆
It's a 101 issue rather than 999, for me.
If there's a car in the area that can swing by fair enough, if not then at least it's recorded if someone makes a similar call.
I see them throw a biscuit at this Woman
What a waste. 😥
Classical music is the answer.
Get yourself a Vivaldi CD or similar (baroque really does work best, but operatic aria's also do the trick)
get in car, park near the "yoofs" windows down, volume up.
3 minutes of the "Four Seasons" will sort them out
To answer the question, if the parents has any idea how to deal with them, they wouldn't be hanging out in large groups causing trouble.
Though if they are unaware, and you can identify some of the kids, a word to the parents might have an interesting result.
some kids threw biscuits at me when I was tidying up outside after work, the McDonald security guard grabbed one and called the police the kid was in court a few weeks later and the rest asbo'd from the retail park.
The irony of this was the kids had bought the gingernut biscuits from my shop.
I wouldnt have minded but I dont even like ginger nut biscuits
golf club storey
I had similar, 5 lads used to dish out loads of abuse to me, could take them 1 on 1 but not as a group. One day they were giving me dogs abuse just as I was getting home. My brother pulled up in his car and set to them with his crooklock (metal bar thing for steering wheels back in the day).
Never heard a peep from them again. which was nice.
It's a 101 issue rather than 999, for me
101 costs money as I recently found out :@
Yeah, 15p / call.
I'm pretty sure its 999 as the 'crime' is in progress
Hateful little oiks are unfortunately everywhere. The unfortunate reality is we're now so PC that people can get away with it. Old school would work in this particular circumstance
Or one of Boris' water cannons
Recently broke up a particularly nasty fight between a load of (20+)yoofs who actually were quite good about the whole thing. Mind you this was sleepy south lakesville, not sure I'd have had the melons to do it when i was living in Longsight. I think as long as you approach them with the attitude of 'look lads, that's not right is it?' rather than 'oi, you, jizzbuckets'. You stand at least a 25% chance of not getting you're head kicked in.
Wagon wheels aren't biscuits either.
What about fig rolls?
The only simple solution is to always carry a rucksack with you with some essential kit in it.
When you see a crime in action, find the nearest phone box take Cloak from said rucksack, quickly transfer red underpants to outside of trousers.
Put a mask on and run at the little chumps screaming "I'm gonna fork you up you little mofos"!! "Aarrrrgghhhhhh"
This is the power of "The Nutter!" completely unpredictable and you'd be a fool to mess with one.
OP, it. Is a Police matter. Current age of crimminal resonsibility is 12 yrs( me a cop, wife works with young offenders), just dial 101 and report nuisance youths, give numbers, location ages and description. If they were in uniform you could report the matter to the school they were from.
Probably won't get a cop, but a community bobby attending, unless a cop is in the area. They have committed an offence, but more than likely will get asked to move on/stop being idiots.
Offer them some glue and a plastic bag, it used to keep us quiet for ages..
Getting hit on the head by a jaffa cake wouldn't hurt particularly though would it, now if it was a box of them.
Getting hit on the head by a jaffa cake wouldn't hurt particularly though would it,
It would if it was a stale one.
Just to add to this -
I used to maintain a set of jumps, and although occasionally we got kids trashing them most of the time they were left alone. After a new line got built thanks to a winter of digging (ever stacked frozen 'bricks' of soil?) I found about a dozen 12-14 years olds kicking them down. When asked why I was told because its boring round here and they couldn't ride the jumps so they were kicking them down to almost flat so they could ride over them. I chatted a bit and they seemed to get where I was coming from in that they were destroying a lot of hard work and there was plenty of room to build there own sets if they wanted. Left fairly amicably but next day - passing by I watched the same thing happening again. I may have got a bit sweary this time, but then calmed down and started re-building. One of the kids phoned his dad, (yeah whatever I thought - hopefully he'll tell you to have a word with yourself). Dad and mate turn up fresh from the pub (judging by their breath) and as I looked up from repairing a jump I was met with the backside of a spade hitting the side of my head. Lots more bashes with the spade and kicks from toe-cap boots later someone finally got out of a car in a queue of traffic that was spectating and that seemed to deter them from going any further.
Never ridden a BMX trail since.
Soo... In short - yes I would phone the police. I would seriously not bother getting involved myself unless I could see someone in immediate danger, you never (well I never) can imagine the amount of ****wits out there who will go to lengths you (I) can't comprehend as being reasonable human behaviour.
If you know where any of them live go and have a polite word with their parents.
Quite often the parents don't like that sort of behaviour either and will do something about it.
Do be calm and polite about it though as no-one will react well to a nut job on their doorstep accusing their child of nasty behaviour.
[i]It would if it was a stale one.[/i]
I see what you did there 🙂 Wasn't that part of McVitties main argument why a Jaffa is indeed a cake?
Anyway, I've also had similar. Walking back from the shops I pass a group of youths sat on wall. As I wander past minding my own business I get torrents of "oi, foureyes", which doesn't bother me. However, they then start pelting stone in my direction which isn't cool.
Got my blood boiling right up so I thought best to ignore rather than get my head kicked in. Hopefully someone with more of a temper than me has taught them a lesson or two by now.
When we were teenagers my father would have given my brother a good hiding (or at least a major telling off for any bad behavior), nowadays parents are more likely to come round and beat you up for trying to defend yourself.
We used to live opposite a farm. Some of the land was bought and a school and playground built.
The head teacher asked locals to keep an eye out as there had been vandals cutting holes in the perimeter fence, playing in the play ground and breaking windows during evenings. This went on for a few weeks.
Finally my father had had enough and rushed over and grabbed one youth. He then called the police and they dealt with him.
Next day our doorbell rings and this man starts swearing and trying to punch my father on our doorstep, my little sister was terrified, there standing next to him was the grinning youth.
It really does amaze me how this can happen and I don't know what the answer is.
If you know where any of them live go and have a polite word with their parents.Quite often the parents don't like that sort of behaviour either and will do something about it.
Do be calm and polite about it though as no-one will react well to a nut job on their doorstep accusing their child of nasty behaviour.
Yep, my experience is the exact opposite. Kids can be really quite invasive and aggressive and if you go round for a quiet polite word with their parents you're met with a tirade of abuse and threats, it's rarely the kids of /reasonable/ parents that go out and behave unreasonably (and chucking food is unreasonable). We've all been kids, but verbal abuse and assault of passing people is beyond normal teenage behaviour.
Call 101 and let the police handle it. If you don't they don't get stats on the problems and don't realise there's an anti-social behaviour problem in the area until the kids have progressed to more serious crimes. Might seem like over-reaction for just a simple set of assaults 🙄 but it'll be better for the kids in the long run to get a shock than to be left to it.
Unfortunately
**** adults = **** kids
Your almost certainly wasting your time dealing with the adults (parents is an inappropriate term it most cases)
Talk to the Police instead
If their all Asian take a photo with your phone and pop into the local Mosque/temple. All the Asian taxi drivers I know are very interested in what their children are up to, likewise the community leaders. If you get no joy there maybe the police if things continue.
Was thinking about this yesterday.
It's very frustrating when you see something happen that "offends your core morals" (for want of a better description) like this but you know that essentially there's very little you can do about it.
You can't slap them (and you can't - so that's the end of that) so maybe a better thing to do is wait until the little gits have moved on and then approach the victim to make sure they are alright? Probably no physical harm done, even by a stale biscuit, but quite possible they are a bit shaken up. Maybe offer to walk them home or to wherever they're going. Reassure them that they are safe now and that "not all kids behave like that". May go some way towards repairing the damage done.
SST - Member
You can't slap them (and you can't - so that's the end of that) ...
Yes, you can.
The law will be so lame you only get peanut assault charges that's all.
You can definitely argue your ground on this and not matter if you punch them or slap them the penalty will not be severe.
Might not be good if you want to travel to USA or non-EU country or places where bureaucratic zombie maggots rule (provided they have computerised system that links all records up) where they ask for criminal records if assault is considered as one. Otherwise, I see no problem in teaching them a lesson or two.
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