[Closed] Parents blazing at the school gates - political correctness gone mad again?

Would you complain if a parent had a can of special brew at the gates?

Saying that, it happens at my boy's school and its shrugged off.

Would you complain

No, probably not.

Would I think to myself "Couldn't you find a better place to be a stoner*?"

Yeah, probably.

*no, not that one...there's no good place to be that one. 🙂

Does a can of special brew cause passive smoking issue?

Haven't we done this?

Would you complain if a parent only had one tooth and was wearing a Tweed Jacket, a Rangers shirt, Shell suit trousers and white slip on dress shoes when they were picking their kids up?

Sending your kids to school where they might encounter actual real people can be a bit of an adventure.

People alarmed by someone having a dooby outside should read the stories on Vice about families where the parents take so much ketamine their kids are getting to primary age without having learnt to speak.

Sending your kids to school where they might encounter actual real people can be a bit of an adventure.

Children can be very impressionable.

Many many people in our society would turn a cheek and think 'don't get involved'. Thankfully alot of good people question bad behaviour. At the very least there should be questions asked around safe-guarding. Yes people do smoke weed however to smoke it openly infront of your (very young) primary-school child says to me that they don't hide their habit (i.e. at home) etc.

I've stepped in with badly parked cars/speeding outside my sons primary school - I'd do the same with weed etc.

Theres nothing wrong with caring for your community or trying to be better by being involved.

I don't think it sets a particularly great example to the kids that are old enough to recognise what it is, but I don't think I'd complain to the school about it.

Unless of course they were driving.

Does a can of special brew cause passive smoking issue?

Not so much that as the example it sets though isn't it?

TBH I think its fair enough so long as they are tackling smoking with the same approach (although I suppose the difference there is smoking on the street is legal whilst drinking may not be and smoking weed definitely isn't). There is a time and a place for it, dropping your kids off at school is neither.

People alarmed by someone having a dooby outside should read the stories on Vice about families where the parents take so much ketamine their kids are getting to primary age without having learnt to speak.

This is not a great argument for parents wanting to do well by their kids. You get that, right?

People alarmed by someone having a dooby outside should read the stories on Vice about families where the parents take so much ketamine their kids are getting to primary age without having learnt to speak.

They should also look at the situation in some countries in Africa where children are kidnapped in war-ravaged areas and raised to be conscienceless killing machines.

And think how lucky they are to just have to deal with stoners dropping their children off.*

*No, not that kind of dropping-off...there'd be no excuse for that outside the school gates.

If people want to get mashed thats their choice. But I would suggest that
1) Do it somewhere a bit more discrete that isnt quite so public.
2) Dont do it near a school.

The number of parents I see smoking whilst walking with their kids or pushing a pram really infuriates me. As it legitimises smoking in their kids eyes and passive smoking isnt too good for a child's health.

I was still smoking until my son was 3 (I stopped 6 years ago). He's never seen me smoke and I've never smoked near him for the reasons above.

Surely if people REALLY cared about their children's health they wouldn't smoke anywhere near their child.

Well put Hora.

Not so much that as the example it sets though isn't it?

I agree but it's not something I've ever seen.

I know the area well. I'm not surprised that there are dickheads taking their kids to school thinking this is ok, TBH.

Far from being a story about 'political correctness gone mad' (or even 'we should all think ourselves lucky our kids aren't being kidnapped'), it's a story about rough-as-arseholes tosspots not knowing how to behave.

My wee cousinette (my cousin's son) gets very upset when he sees people smoking. He thinks it means they are about to die, and soon.

Nothing to do with political correctness, more irresponsible parents not understanding that a) kids are impressionable and they'll copy what they see, b) that despite what they think, weed is illegal, and c) that they will in some part be under the influence of the drug whilst they are unfortunately in charge of their children.
A safeguarding issue is putting it lightly - do they smoke weed in the house subjecting the children to passive effects?
Its far easier for the school to issue a blanket appeal to stop, rather than confront the individual...

Yes to complain.

Smoking drugs infront of children at the school gate not cool.

What next crack cocaine? Give some to the children while there ... get them to start young.

Amazingly I agree with Hora entirely.

I wonder what gave it away?

i heard that there was actually air pollution outside a primary school.

oh wont someone think of the baby robins faces.

so that's what blazing means.... 😉

Thought we had.

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/smoking-is-a-pretty-disgusting-habit-but

I've stepped in with badly parked cars/speeding outside my sons primary school - I'd do the same with weed etc.

That's a good point I was thinking about when I posted....The self righteous that moaned about the parents smoking; I hope they stick to the speed* limits as they transport their kids to school.

*no, not that kind of speed 😀

Parents blazing at the school gates

....is probably what happened to these poor kids.

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I agree with hora.

Sounds really petty, but society needs to give kids hope and aspiration. Meekly accepting law breaking by the school gates doesn't fit with that. We rant enough on here about speeding and crap parking outside schools, the principle is the same.

School needs to issue a note to all parents pointing out that it is illegal and future occurrences will be reported.

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i heard that there was actually air pollution outside a primary school.

Exactly. Obviously owning a big engined 4x4 is morally acceptable, infact it's even encouraged. It won't do much for the future of your kids planet though.

By the sound of it, it's about time they re-released the 'just say no' song.

Now I have this vision of a woman turning up in her pjs, driving a 4 x 4 which she parks badly, whilst swigging special brew and sparking up. Followed by Hora exploding like Mr Creosote.

....is probably what happened to these poor kids.

😀

Very probably! They only got 62 GCSEs between them IIRC

You lot must live in some right shit holes, deservedly so if your not willing to stand up. 🙁

You lot must live in some right shit holes, deservedly so if your not willing to stand up

^Hahaha!

We don't get any of this Sh*t in Farnborough Village.
The school run mums are too busy trying to impress each other with their Saucony running gear and £500 prams.

Spot on Hora.

On the other hand I imagine parents would be be outraged if the school did nothing knowing an illegal activity was being done close to the school ( child protection etc).

Just because you can doesnt mean its right 🙂

This is the official [url= https://www.gov.uk/penalties-drug-possession-dealing ]line[/url] from Dave and Co.

The school run mums are too busy trying to impress each other with their Saucony running gear and £500 prams.

and when they do that, they still get ripped on here for not running (riding) far or fast enough as they are clearly just poseurs.

Yip I'd complain.

We shouldn't all be forced to pander to the lowest common denominator in society. For the sake of future generations surely we should be trying to raise our game?

Isn't there conclusive evidence that cannabis is good for child development?

At least, the studies conducted by an anti-cannabis group over 5 years in Jamaica were scrapped because they didn't produce the results that the group were hoping for..

Smoking dope outside the school should be considered a public service
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Even at my most committed stage of dopeheadity, and I was PRETTY committed, I would have baulked at the thought. Just basic human decency would get in the way, surely? You know, not letting little kids watch you take illegal drugs? Classic scumbaggery, even if you don't mind your own (or that weeks 'partners') kids from seeing it it's hardly a huge leap to think that others might (understandably) object.

Do the posters who think this is reasonable behaviour live on the Chatsworth estate?

Do the posters who think this is reasonable behaviour live on the Chatsworth estate?

It could be coming to a school gate near you soon 😉

http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/barrow/Massive-public-support-for-cannabis-to-be-legalised-623e51e1-719a-4a16-8911-f7c5b8ca4ff1-ds

Isn't there conclusive evidence that cannabis is good for child development?

Only if you want the child to develop into a waste of space.

To quote Greg Proops, "Mornings can be harsh" and having kids can be harsher. But OK, I won't do it again.

Even if it were legal it wouldn't be appropriate. I'm the villages equivalent of 8 Ace but I still wouldn't rock up to collect the reptiles with me tinnies and copy of Razzle - readers wives in hand. Again.

😀 It's one way of making sure you'd never have to host a children's birthday part or sleepover.

Only if you want the child to develop into a waste of space.

LOL!! You clearly weren't exposed to cannabis in utero with such a fantastically developed mind...
Your capability for logic and reasoning is astonishing 😆

Only if you want the child to develop into a waste of space.

Hmmm. Any evidence for that?

Take Dr Dre for example; smokes weed everyday, and is also a very successful musician and business man.

i agree with Hora , why would any one want to normalise to children the taking of an illegal drug which is almost certainly harmful to developing brains.
"Imaging studies in human adolescents show that regular marijuana users display impaired neural connectivity in specific brain regions involved in a broad range of executive functions like memory, learning, and impulse control compared to non-users.25

The latter findings may help explain the results of a large longitudinal study conducted in New Zealand, which found that frequent and persistent marijuana use starting in adolescence was associated with a loss of an average of 8 IQ points measured in mid-adulthood.26 Significantly, in that study, those who used marijuana heavily as teenagers and quit using as adults did not recover the lost IQ points. Users who only began using marijuana heavily in adulthood did not lose IQ points. These results suggest that marijuana has its strongest long-term impact on young users whose brains are still busy building new connections and maturing in other ways. The endocannabinoid system is known to play an important role in the proper formation of synapses (the connections between neurons) during early brain development, and a similar role has been proposed for the refinement of neural connections during adolescence. If confirmed by future research, this may be one avenue by which marijuana use during adolescence produces its long-term effects.27"

25 Batalla A, Bhattacharyya S, Yu?cel M, et al. Structural and functional imaging studies in chronic cannabis users: a systematic review of adolescent and adult findings. PLoS One. 2013;8:e55821.

26 Meier MH, Caspi A, Ambler A, et al. Persistent cannabis users show neuropsychological decline from childhood to midlife. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA. 2012;109:E2657-2664.

27 Rubino T, Zamberletti E, Parolaro D. Adolescent exposure to cannabis as a risk factor for psychiatric disorders. J Psychopharmacol. 2012;26(1):177-188.

yeah that would be marijuana [i]abuse[/i] in adolescence..

it's not big and it's not clever

Do you have any links to studies around in utero exposure or exposure in infancy? (I know it's not relevant to the topic as such.. just interested)

Hmmm. Any evidence for that?

Take Dr Dre for example; smokes weed everyday, and is also a very successful musician and business man.

I was being kind of facetious, but giving an example of a single person who is successful despite smoking weed, isn't really evidence either.

I've also heard that as a parent, getting stoned with your kids can create another, deeper level to your relationship with them.

Of all the possible things I could think of parents doing outside a school (driving on the pavement, speeding nearby, parking in such a manner as to impede the safe crossing of children), this really wouldn't bother me.

And no, I'll not be doing so myself, and nor would I consider it socially acceptable, (illegal or not is really a moot point as it doesn't give any ethical/moral/safety driven backing to an argument) but I wouldn't actually bother asking someone to stop it/report someone for doing it.

As a teacher I've stepped in at my school many a time for this exact reason.

It's outside a Primary School end of! I'm shocked by some who wouldn't say something or at least warn the school.

I wouldn't be keen, not because of the content of roll-up but just because hanging around the school gates smoking anything is a bit grim.

The report refers to persistent regular and frequent use not abuse, abuse is a value term not indicative of frequency or quantity and may only reflect illegality.
By the power of google i can give you http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/745279_2
for in utero exposure. Its a link i make no claims as to its accuracy.

or not try googling.."Lasting Impacts of Prenatal Cannabis Exposure and the Role of Endogenous Cannabinoids in the Developing Brain: Adverse Effect of Prenatal Exposure to Marijuana"

I'd have a major problem with it and I'd almost certainly call the police.

The school gates are not an appropriate place to be taking drugs.

Modern hybrid skunk weeds are not good for you but that's an adults choice to make. I'm all for legalization but smoking weed in front of kids is a dick move.

After smoking lots of it in my 20's I decided to have some fairly recently, I immediately regretted the decision, jesus, how strong, can't be good for teens.

The report refers to persistent regular and frequent use not abuse

I dunno if I would wholeheartedly trust any teenager indulging regularly in an illegal activity to be doing so safely and responsibly..

Are those kids providing a broad enough sample?

I'm not convinced that you could use those studies to prove anything, unless you'd already decided what you [i]wanted[/i] them to prove

I'm not pro or anti BTW

EDIT: OOh that second link [i]is[/i] interesting, thanks 🙂

I live in a state where cannabis is legal.

I'm pretty sure that if you were smoking it outside a school here you would be incarcerated in almost no time.

In some ways legalizing it makes it easier to enforce common sense laws like not smoking it outside a school full of kids.

I'd have a major problem with it and I'd almost certainly call the police.

Me to.

One of my oldest mates got sectioned just before Christmas after mashing his brains on the stuff.

Sorry to hear that Harry..

Psychosis is grim, I had it as a young adult

On the other hand though, my great grandfather used to beat my great grandmother when he'd been drinking whisky, but I'll not be reacting in an alarmist manner to people who choose to enjoy a few drams of single malt now and again..

That said, I'd raise an eyebrow at someone smoking ganja outside the school

[quote=GrahamS ]I don't think it sets a particularly great example to the kids that are old enough to recognise what it is, but I don't think I'd complain to the school about it.
Unless of course they were driving.

I totally agree - I'd definitely report the older kids if I saw them driving.

Surely it is a police matter.

WhoTF goes to school with a spliff?

I think I would say something but it unlikely a person who has made this choice will respect your interjection or alter their behaviour.

why would any one want to normalise to children the taking of an illegal drug which is almost certainly harmful to developing brains.

FWIW its worth noting that its a minority of users of alcohol and cannabis who go on to have serious health issues with its use/addiction/abuse.
FWWI i used to teach drugs education but it is impossible to explain the reason as to why some stuff is legal and some stuff is illegal. Look at the death rates of tobacco smokers and lok at the amount of violent crime where alcohol was involved - ie the person was pissed or had drunk a fair amount.

The school gate and collecting dropping of your kid is not the place for either IMHO.

If it happend at my school I would be straight onvto the police.

Take Dr Dre for example; smokes weed everyday, and is also a very successful musician and business man.

He doesn't smoke weed,

Well, maybe he should have done then...... 😉

is always the second best musician on his albums, and he was mercilessly fleeced for the first fifteen years of his music career - so hardly a shrewd businessman.

so hardly a shrewd businessman.

He manages to sell thousands of well over priced headphones, so he must be doing something right.

WhoTF goes to school with a spliff?

Maybe the same ones that go to school in the pyjamas? It seems primary schools gates are hot areas of news.

well over priced headphones, so he must be doing something right.

Beats by Dre is owned by Apple. Jimmy Iovine told him to inject his brand into the old company and did the "hard" work.

Not keen on drinking in the street or smoking weed in the street - let alone outside a school. Suggesting it's normal or acceptable is just dumb. Next door but one has lit up on the street a couple of times and I've happily told him and his mate to pack it in.

Jimmy Iovine told him to inject his brand into the old company and did the "hard" work.

Seems pretty shrewd to me. 🙂

I'll not be reacting in an alarmist manner to people who choose to enjoy a few drams of single malt now and again..

Fair enough, but you wouldn't want to see someone chugging away at the school gates.

Surely it's not just about setting examples to school children but also the question as to whether you can look after a child adequately whilst stoned?

If you think smoking weed at the school gates during school times is acceptable you are a dick.

I'm not against adults doing adult things at appropriate times when it doesn't adversely affect others, and I'd take issue with it too.. It's completely inappropriate and there's no excuse for it whatsoever.. You wouldn't sit at the school gates swigging on a bottle of merlot in your pyjamas.. Or maybe some would.. Who knows...

But I'd certainly complain about it to the school.

If adults choose to do something in a safe environment that doesn't harm or affect others.. Fine, but the school gates is about the most inappropriate place to conduct such activities..

Sometimes on my way into work there are people in the corner shop wearing pyjamas buying scratch cards, I kid you not.

This must be a wind up. If someone smokes a spliff at the school gates th n what the fucj is going on behind closed doors. Police definitely.
As someone who grew up during the rave era, surrounded by all sorts, I would never expose the kids to it, let alone let them think it was normal.

Same people that used to take their kids to squat raves maybe? Or more likely those kids have got kids now.

Shouldn't all smoking be banned in the vicinity of school gates anyway?

Fair enough, but you wouldn't want to see someone chugging away at the school gates.

That sentence is all kinds of wrong. We evidently had a different definition for 'chugging' when I was at school...

Nearly made a fool of myself by not reading the OP. Still, from the BBC article...

Deborah Binns, deputy head teacher

Binners?

He's called Susan, not Deborah.