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Talking of tedious, the last cartoon on this made me snort tea out of my nose
(Woy's guide to txting also was close)
Dear god, this is woeful. If we’re second in the league on the strength of this, it shows just how bad everyone else is
We won’t be second for long if we carry on like this. It’s shockingly bad!
City will absolutely batter us at the weekend if we play like this
Only 10 minutes left, was hoping the fog go so thick you couldn’t see the game!!
The weather is about the most interesting thing about this match
The Burnley v Leicester game before was a belter
This is spirit-crushingly tedious
The Burnley v Leicester game before was a belter
I watched the Villa as we’ve got them at the weekend, have to say the Blades deserved their win and it could be the right time to play the villains who without Greasy aren’t playing as well as they have. Good luck against City! We hardly got a kick last night.😀
Thomas Tuchel - the German Sam Alladyce
The first time in Liverpool’s history that they have lost five consecutive home games 😮
On King Kenny’s 70th birthday too
Carry on at this rate and even Thursday nights in Kazakstan will be out of reach
#Kloppout #Kennyin
It’s a good job for the scousers that they have already reached 40 points. Otherwise they’d be a few sleepless nights ahead.
Maybe they could tempt Big Sam away from West Brom to shore things up until the end of the season?
Just watching MOTD. How on earth was the Fulham goal disallowed for handball? His arm was straight down by his side, in line with his body. Absolutely insane VAR decision yet again. Mental!
I’m starting to think that Stockley Park is under the control of a Chinese betting syndicate
Football will evolve - soon the best players will have no arms.
I think that they’ll have to start hacking peoples arms off as they sign their contracts
https://twitter.com/footballjoe/status/1367557852890607618?s=21
It really does seem like the refs are just making it up as they go along at the moment
His arm was straight down by his side, in line with his body. Absolutely insane VAR decision yet again. Mental!
I can't remember what version of the rule we are on this week but at some point, if the ball went off an attackers arm, regardless of position or movement, in the build up to a goal, it's a handball and the goal is disallowed. VAR, in this case, seems roughly in line with the rule. The position of the arm/ speed of the ball/distance thing only matters if it's a defenders arm.
That Fulham handball decision was a disgrace, I thought they had ended the rule that if the ball touches an attacking players arm in the build, even if accidental, it was disallowed.
The Chelsea one was highly debatable, it looked to me like Greenwood's arm was pushing Hudson-Odoi's arm towards the ball I can see why it wasn't given. If it was a mistake it wasn't the clear and obvious error the media have depicted it as. United lost because they were awful, not because of a refereeing decision.
I don't think that VAR is the problem, it is the woeful standard of officiating currently in the English game that is the problem, even given all the tools to help them they still can't get it right or as above when they do do just don't clearly communicate why that was the case and allow a false/biased media frenzy.
THe offside rule is still irritating me the most. I thought Chelseas first should have been allowed and even after VAR i thought it was ridiculously unfair to disallow it.
As for Liverpool, i've got nothing.... as did they.
That Chelsea offside, and two offside reviews in the city vs wolves game the night before (one allowed the other disallowed) even with the lines drawn on the screen I couldn't clearly see an offside. And then you can muddy the waters even more by asking how do you know if that is the frame that captures when the ball was kicked/passed, how do you even define the "moment" a ball is kicked in terms of selecting an exact moment to analyse a freeze frame.
But I also haven't heard a good rule change to correct it yet. My suggestion would be to have the lines on screen a representative width of the on pitch markings and if there is any doubt the advantage goes to the attacking team. Any notion of what body part is or isn't offside is just moving the line of dispute mm's or cm's not the specificity.
But I also haven’t heard a good rule change to correct it yet.
That's an easy one.
No lines, no VAR, just linesmen/women.
But I also haven’t heard a good rule change to correct it yet.
You could have a margin of error, like the umpire's call in cricket. That would use the tech to identify obvious mistakes by the referee, which I thought was supposed to be the point.
Or what weeksy said.
There was that other one last night in the first game, it was being checked for a handball, which was decided no as it didn't hit him on the arm....Which i'm fine with. But was then given as a goal kick. ! But it did hit him. How the heck is that right. It's ridiculous.
I was actually glad when the Chelsea handball wasn't given, earlier in the season that was a nailed on penalty. But again for me, nah, not really.
You could have a margin of error
So kind of like-
the lines on screen a representative width of the on pitch markings and if there is any doubt the advantage goes to the attacking team
But that isn't anything that anyone has suggested in the media or uefa, they just keep prattling on about changing to being the whole body being onside or offside (ie any part of the attackers body can be onside, so it just moves the lines it doesn't address the real problem.
And I think everyone forgets how often the on field officials got it wrong before, VAR has actually improved the success rate it is just that some decisions now come down to such fine margins that it is somewhat baffling or just overhyped by the media.
The need to create 24 hour coverage and sensationalize every decision made is as much a part of the problem as any actual mistakes. Especially seeing as the commentators are ex footballers with blatant biases rather than sporting journalists who can generally give a more rounded outlook.
I'm happy with officials getting it wrong, 100% happy with it. Football is about excitement, spontinaity, jumping up and down, getting lost in the moment.
There's no 'moment' now as you're expecting every goal to be disallowed/analysed. Football as we know it is a lost sport.
I’m happy with officials getting it wrong, 100% happy with it. Football is about excitement, spontinaity, jumping up and down, getting lost in the moment.
There’s no ‘moment’ now as you’re expecting every goal to be disallowed/analysed. Football as we know it is a lost sport.
We spent years moaning about reffing decisions, but VAR is so, so much worse. Goal line tech is fine, and perhaps video review before red carding, but that's about all we need.
And I think everyone forgets how often the on field officials got it wrong before, VAR has actually improved the success rate it is just that some decisions now come down to such fine margins that it is somewhat baffling or just overhyped by the media.
What I found baffling in the Man U - West Ham game the other week is that the ref was alerted by VAR, spent an epoch looking at the monitor, sent Soucek off only for it to be rescinded the next day.
Share the thoughts about VAR above. It’s still subjective at the end of the day - one ref may interpret something differently than another, even on screen with multiple replays.
So when do the Klopp out calls begin? Ole would have gone by now with that run as would any Chelsea manager.
There’s no ‘moment’ now as you’re expecting every goal to be disallowed/analysed. Football as we know it is a lost sport.
This. Until this is fixed I CBA with football really. So often results come down to ridiculously soft penalties also.
Ole would have gone by now with that run as would any Chelsea manager.
Pfffft, Ole or any Chelsea manager haven't just won the PL and recently won the CL. Ridiculous claim.
Something has clearly gone seriously awry this season but this is a bizarre time, his mum just died, and as usual people are going nuts and blowing everything way out of proportion. I remember earlier this season exactly the same stuff being said about Pep.
Pfffft, Ole or any Chelsea manager haven’t just won the PL and recently won the CL. Ridiculous claim.
I doubt he's going to get too much longer if the slump continues. I can't see him going this season but if they continue to get similar results in the final stages of the season I am sure they will be looking around and planning to have someone new in charge for 21-22.
Sack Klop?
Bonkers idea. What a way to treat a man whose delivered so much for your club.
Yes, the results aren’t great currently but they will come good again.
Have some bloody patience.
As for VAR?
It’s so hit & miss is it really any better??
Wasn’t claiming to support it Grum but the wheels seem to well and truly have come off. The lack of goals is as much a concern and I get that much is linked to the centre halves but the front three look so jaded and Klopp seems frazzled.
Chelsea got rid of Di Matteo and Ancelotti the season after European Cup and Champions League wins respectively. I know Liverpool are more patient but I can see Klopp jacking it actually.
Surely you lot should be used to finishing 7th by now? 😀
I see they're amending the handball rule yet again. It's mental. How on earth are refs meant to know whats going on from one week to the next?
Is the change not coming in at the end of the season, I thought the discussions were about next years rules.
Although I had thought they already changed it for this season.
Yeah they have changed it once already - from any handball in the box is a penalty to a bit more nuanced. A bit! Ref dependent!
They had to change it as the handballs being given in the first few weeks of the season were absurd.
As was that ludicrous decision against Fulham. There’s no way on earth that goal shouldn’t have stood.
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'Premier League fans have got used to celebrations being stopped by lengthy VAR delays but Infantino said this had added to the spectacle. “Rather than taking things away it adds, I would say, another layer of adrenaline in the game,” he said. “Now if there is a doubt you check, you wait, you see and that’s the adrenaline that makes football how it is: the waiting for a result.'
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What a tool. The lawmakers can count themselves lucky fans haven’t been in the grounds.
I agree with Infantino.
It's the live version of Ceefax, if you've only known an era of internet and Sky and real time text updates, if you've never followed a shit 3rd Division team having a rare good season in the 80's, but not being allowed to go to away games because it's school tomorrow. Then you've never had to watch and wait for the pages to scroll through waiting for confirmation that a goal's been scored / not scored.
****, we didn't even just get the diversion of multiple angles, construction lines, and referees with fingers in their ears; just pages and pages of scores you only had passing interest in before...........
YYYYYEEEESSSSSS!! another 4 minutes has passed and we're still 2:1 up away at Doncaster!
Modern fans don't know they're born.
I'm 99% sure you're kidding... so i'm not even rising to it 😛
is Klopp for the chop ?
Nah. Can't see it.
How many home defeats on the bounce at fortress Anfield, Jurgen?
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Just read that 6 straight home defeats has never before been suffered by the defending champions. I know that they have really suffered with injuries but after last seasons dominance, it must be puzzling for the team/fans!!
If Carlsberg did Sunday afternoons...
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Good win Binners!
So which player’s wife is Klopp humping? Because I’m running out of logical reasons!
If Carlsberg did Sunday afternoons
Imagine if the result today actually meant anything!
Derby results don't mean anything now?
Is that only the case after your last Everton game?!
Last I heard you don't get a trophy for winning a derby, or coming second in the league, or momentarily being top and getting massively overexcited.
You get in the big cup though, with all its money, glamour, kudos and ability to attract the best players. Liverpool won’t make the Europa League at this rate, although that’s probably a good thing.
Well Man City fans have spent the last few years claiming the CL doesn't matter. In all seriousness I think it's lost its lustre since leaving ITV but it's still a big moneyspinner.
There's no glossing over the fact that this season is an utter car crash for Liverpool now, not sure what it would mean for further spending if they don't make top four. They haven't looked that bad usually when I've watched them, just lacking a cutting edge and looking mentally frail now.
Imagine if the result today actually meant anything!
It means a damn sight more than finishing second and qualifying for the CL. Maybe not to the accountants, but to the fans. I'd probably rather we thrash Utd home and away than win any of the domestic cups.
I think it’s lost its lustre since leaving ITV
How do you replace the glitz and glamour of Andy Townsend?
They haven’t looked that bad usually when I’ve watched them
Not quite sure who you've been watching then. Its not like you could say they're playing well but have just been unlucky. Every match they've lost, they've deserved to lose because they were outplayed. A few of those teams beating them are presently in a relegation scrap. They never turned up yesterday
And if you don't think a convincing derby win over the league leaders and the in-form team (who absolutely battered you lot a couple of weeks ago) to end their massive string of wins doesn't mean anything, why do you even bother watching football?
A derby with no crowd, with nothing on the line? Meh. Enjoy the commemorative DVD of 'ending a streak of wins' and 'briefly top' but still finishing nowhere near. Man United fans have become everything they used to deride about Liverpool fans.
How do you replace the glitz and glamour of Andy Townsend?
It's not that it's just that many people are now only barely aware it's even happening until the later stages.
Not quite sure who you’ve been watching then. Its not like you could say they’re playing well but have just been unlucky.
They've been bad but not 6 defeats at home bad. I'm happy to admit they had the rub of the green plenty last season, but they haven't really this season. Your lot have been abject and still won quite a few times, as Liverpool did last season. Helps when you get a soft penalty very other game though doesn't it - strangely Man Utd's title challenge faded away pretty sharpish when the penalties dried up.
Don't worry though because Ole has a conspiracy theory about WHY IT'S ALL SO UNFAIR that they don't get all the penalties they used to.
Oh dear, oh dear Grum. Do you still have time to edit your post?
I'd be salty if Man Utd actually won anything...
The lack of self-awareness of Man U fans crowing about winning precisely zero is hilarious.
The lack of self-awareness of Liverpool fans still being upset about Utd winning a Derby is hilarious.
FTFY, Grum 🙂
Don't worry, maybe you'll win your local derby sometime soon.
Don’t worry, maybe you’ll win your local derby sometime soon.
That was actually mildly amusing well done 🙂
Foden just demonstrated why everyone goes down when there’s contact in the box. As Luke Shaw did earlier in the season.
That was an absolute stonewall penalty, but because he stayed on his feet it wasn’t given
At which point you have to ask yet again; what’s the point of VAR?
If that wasn’t a ‘clear and obvious error’ from the ref then I don’t know what is?
Well I have been defending var, but that has got to be one of the worst decisions not to give a penalty I have ever seen. The ref bottles giving the pen and leaves it to var, and var decide to create a narrative to support the on field non decision.
Thank **** it doesn't look like it will matter, we would probably have skied it into the stands anyway.
because he stayed on his feet
The thing is he didn't, he was taken down and somehow got up quickly in one movement.
Aaahhh so that’s how you beat RB in the champions league.
Maureen’s reverted to the usual then? After a woeful Spurs performance it’s definitely nothing to do with him. It never is.
Wading into the ref then publicly criticising his own players.
Everything on course for the usual Jose cycle to be repeated yet again, in an even more compressed timescale. He’s nothing if not predictable
Chelsea look quite a useful outfit nowadays. Passing is pretty slick.
Tuchel showing how out of his depth Frank Lampard was? They’re so good defensively now.
Tuchel showing how out of his depth Frank Lampard was?
You wouldn’t think it was the same team..
Is he not just the German Sam Alladyce then?
I’ve not watched the last couple of Chelski games but his first few games looked that way. A nil nil against Leeds would suggest the same
Is he not just the German Sam Alladyce then?
I’ve not watched the last couple of Chelski games but his first few games looked that way. A nil nil against Leeds would suggest the same
Far from it.
The Leeds game was a very good game of football, the score really doesn’t tell the full story.
I'd like to see Allardyce at PSG !!
Spursy 👍
Cheer up Jose. Looks like we’ll be following you unless we liven up
https://twitter.com/OptaJoe/status/1372650669753110536
special
https://twitter.com/The_OldBakery/status/1372656431950921730
Bahahaha.
James Rodriguez
What about him? ^^^^
Probably BS but there are rumours Suarez is coming back to Liverpool!
Not sure his wife would be so keen, the city’s dentists and tetanus industry might be more keen.
Will there be T-shirts?
Should have gone to Italy to get a second bite of the Chiellini.
Will there be T-shirts
The Uruguayen Jaws. Perfect t-shirt for the return to pub life.
Probably BS but there are rumours Suarez is coming back to Liverpool!
Isn't he a bit past it now?