[Closed] Overzealous modding again.

But clearly TJ reported elfin and gw and got them banned, then started this thread to exonerate him of all guilt. Or just to troll. Or both

I believe it's a derivative of the Edinburgh defence, as yet unnamed

So Fred is Elfin. Who is GW?

I think he's always been GW

GW = TJ.

He's playing all three sides off against each other, the genius.

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Hmm - it seems I'm blocking TSY and DS without even being aware I'd installed blocking s/w

GW is old man Withers from the amusement arcade.

Don

You seem to be making the same point again and again?

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Maybe I am, but do you get it?

Well I did think it was a good point when raised by TSY earlier but repeating yourself doesn't make you right (something the "bighitters" should bear in mind)

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This has legs.

I've posted on here for years. I was banned a few times many years ago for posting direct links to porn or goatse, hey it made me laugh. but in the last 6 months i have been banned for posting on a post that shouldn't have been here. i was banned op wasn't. discussion was that i was wrong, and there was no discussion. I really don't care, but imho the modding in here is unbelievably pious and has no actual basis on actual rules or guidelines. Either something is wrong and deserves a banning, OR its ok and we let it go.

Fred should have been banned years ago anyway. he brings nothing to STW

Fred should have been banned years ago anyway. he brings nothing to STW

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Indeed - its completely inconsistent. This is the issue and its changed recently - there appears to be one or more mods who gets teh banhammer out very easily and its inconsistent with others. So not only doews it depend on who you are but it depends which mod sees a report that depends on what you get banned for. -or that is the appearence. certainly I have reported posts that appear far worse tha the one GW was banned for that nothing was done about - no ban no moddding.

The GW one - he gets banned for a post but the post he was banned for is let on the thread? If its worth a banning then how can the post be left on?

Its a thankless task for sure tho.

I thought it was bad form to slate someone who couldn't answer back? Oh well, guessing it's the only time some people feel confident enough. It's normal for opinionated, erudite people to intimidate those less able to express themselves. It bruises egos.

Fred seems to be a double edged sword really, good and bad. I much prefer people who say what they think rather than those who sculk around in the margins.

Funny old world, isn't it?

Fred should have been banned years ago anyway.

its completely inconsistent

I'm disappointed elf's not here because I'm preparing to throw something he's written back at him 😉

Fred should have been banned years ago anyway. he brings nothing to STW

If [i]"he brings nothing to STW"[/i] then you clearly wouldn't want him banned - why would you ?

Obviously he does bring something, otherwise you wouldn't be bothered........you just don't like what he brings.

Which isn't the same thing at all.

I've never felt that someone should be banned because I disagreed with them/didn't like them.

But maybe that's just me.

Free Fred!

Well i got banned a while ago, for a reasonably funny joke, but some people obviously found offensive, i sent a reply, and explained my point of view, and got a good responce, thank you,

I think we all learn a lot of fellow forumites and have a good laugh along the way, we discuss all sorts, and sometimes disagree, but thats life.

Oh and thanks mods for all the effort you put in reading all the complaints.

ok, you got me Ernie. 😆 "He brings nothing worthwhile to STW."
better?

this is about modding, not anyone in particular anyway. its not my ball, and i expect it to be taken home any second soon.

Fred should be put in stocks in the middle of Lahhdahhn, outside a very nicely designed and constructed building with historical significance. Marmalade should be spread on his buttocks and a very large amount of angry wasps should be released by a bunch of Tory MPs. That'll teach him for bringing this place down to his seedy level. This is now just a terrible forum-of-ill-repute. I don't even care what he did, he is Just Plain Wrong!

aracer I don't think thats reasonable - but if that is what they want to do fine their playground their rules

So fred gets banned for a toe over the line. wrong IMO but consitent with what mark said

But GW is not in the habit of getting bans - none in 11 years and SA is one of the most helpful and least antagonistic folk on the forum with no history for years. Both banned for apparent trivia. GWs post so inoffensive that it is still on the thread unedited

Thats the inconsistency.

"He brings nothing worthwhile to STW."

Tob be fair there are very few people that do bring anything worthwhile to STW.

Who is SA?

Is there anyway of finding out who the most frequent complainers are?
Lurking, complaining and getting people banned could be more fun than anything else, ever.

It's an open forum, fred like the rest of us has the right to his opinion (onion) and as long as the rules, which are clear, aren't broken, I don't see a problem.
Fred knows the rules and pushes them to the limit at times. Where's the problem?

SA - Steve Austin

It's not a case of like or dislike ernie. The fact is that Fred has been banned many times for various infringements of the rules, which lets face it, are pretty relaxed for general communication/debate.

Is it really that difficult ? 🙄

i feel for the mods as it is not an easy job and I agree that whatever they do they wont appease everyone.
Sometimes it is hard for people to see the reason though let alone form an opinion on it. This is what seems to cause most debates ...confusion not disagreeing
I got banned once for arguing no bad language just arguing - they did have a point to be fair. I also got banned for swear word avoidance though you could type the swear word. During the clamp down. The mods did respond/chat though on my second banning and warned me first time but I had not checked e-mail. Not saying I agree with either but they were reasonable when they did it.

Let's see - I've been banned twice.

Once for use of the word **** (in a completely non-racist fashion). I thought I was pretty hard done to on that occasion, but it was around the time of the appearance of the BNP on Question Time and sensitivities might have been high.

I also got banned for posting images on some of Elfs threads as he was, at that point, doing the same to disrupt other threads he'd taken the huff over. He didn't get a ban for that though.....

At the end of the day, it's not that hard to stay out of trouble. Just remember there are no visual clues to "soften/modify" the written word and treat everyone with a bit of respect. If you really don't get on with someone, use the blocking script or just learn to turn a blind eye.

so inoffensive that it is still on the thread unedited

To be fair that's happened to me on more than one occasion - I've been banned for my earthy language, as my bans inevitably are, but the "offending" posts have been left unmoderated.

TBH it just makes me smile - I think to myself "they're taking the piss" 😀

you're not a member unless you have had at least a warning!

If you really don't get on with someone,[s] use the blocking script or[/s] just be mature and learn to turn a blind eye.

teej, point us towards gw's post so we can judge for ourselves. I tried to find it but nothing stands out..

Blocking script? Blimus, that IS taking things too seriously

I got banned for moderating myself. For typing * .

I was trying to demonstrate just how good I could be at the job. Honestly, what do I have to do to get the power of the ban hammer?

why anti blocking? Dont you know people in the real world you cross the road to avoid talking to them. Same thing though i only have two folk on my list.

yossarian - Member
Blocking script? Blimus, that IS taking things too seriously

JY, if you havent already, can you block me please?

Ah - its gone now. It was there when I started this thread was on the first page of the dumped thread.

I'd better not repeat it I guess. email me if you really want to know. It was less offensive than the one of jon rambos on that thread but about himself not about someone else on the forum.

Who's JY?

who mentioned me cant see anything 😉

junkyard

Junkyard - Member

who mentioned me cant see anything

Happy Days

i was joking you are no where near the level of banning. You need to be [imho]right wing , nuts , homophobic, sexist ...oh hold on 😀
We just seem to disagree and I have no issue with that tbh.

Have you ever been banned TeeJ?

I'd love to know who people have on their own 'banned' lists.

Proper fascinating that.

I wonder if some of the mods take Fred's posts and post-banning correspondence personally, and therefore have a 'hair-trigger' attitude to topics that, if stated by other folk on here, would be judged as acceptable?

There are plenty of bully-boys on here who's behaviour is far worse than that of Fred. Even Mark to an extent. I know that from correspondence during my ban.

why anti blocking? Dont you know people in the real world you cross the road to avoid talking to them. Same thing though i only have two folk on my list.

I don't think that was anything to do with Tala ds 😀

bullheart - of course they do. Didn't he send them loads of strange star wars themed messages when 'Rudeboy' was made no more?
Kind of funny but a total PITA if they were filling your inbox. If you have previous you have to expect to be dealt with more swiftly... it's almost blindingly obvious to me.

There is a lot of twaddle on this forum.

I'm beginning to wonder if some of the 'people' on here are actually bots developed by some university research department investigating artificial intelligence.

Not bad.

I got banned for a week for calling Tony Blair a see you next Tuesday. Which I thought was fair comment and my honest opinion.

I just checked with Barney for an opinion.

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i've been banned twice for being a ****.

Ok, I just cannot imagine being that bothered about another poster. I dont cross the road to avoid people either so maybe it's an extension of that. Interesting though. I've never really considered blanking people out, seems a bit weak if I'm honest. Is it a control thing? Sorry if this sounds rude.

My first ever ban was for calling someone (not another user) a See Next Tuesday You 😀

I don't think that was anything to do with[s] T[/s]Kala ds

My god, this thread is still stumbling on then :s

deadlydarcy - Member

Have you ever been banned TeeJ?

Yes - a couple of years ago I told an extremely offensive joke late at night when pissed. I forgot he difference between chattig with your mates in a corner of the bar and standing on the bar shouting

In 9 words it is offensive to disabled Christians and jews. got a week for that and probably fair enough. However I have seen the same joke on here unmodded another day - presumably no one reported it.

its a funny joke

Oops...y'know, I knew there was something wrong as soon as I wrote that. Sorry dude. 😳

I'd say they possibly weren't as uninformed as you think. 🙂

I think the blocking plug-in is ace. Wont tell you who I have blocked but it's helping my blood pressure. Can it be made integral to the forum?

yossarian - Member

Ok, I just cannot imagine being that bothered about another poster. I dont cross the road to avoid people either so maybe it's an extension of that. Interesting though. I've never really considered blanking people out, seems a bit weak if I'm honest. Is it a control thing? Sorry if this sounds rude.

I do it with a few posters to stop me from seeing their posts and reacting to them. Its to assist my poor self control.

GWs post so inoffensive that it is still on the thread unedited

you're not a member unless you have had at least a [s]warning[/s] banning

I've been banned for - actually I think mentioning what for would get me banned again - and managed to successfully argue with Mark and get myself unbanned when I thought I was likely just arguing myself into a longer ban.

@TeeJ, Yeah, I know the feeling. Having one's post reported and seeing something almost identical written down somewhere else. Pita.

Is it a control thing? Sorry if this sounds rude.

Junkyard, you've reported me a number of times haven't you?

Having one's post reported and seeing something almost identical written down somewhere else. Pita.

On that the dumped thread there are several posts that appear to me to be more offensive than GWs. His might have been worth modding - in dubious taste but others were worse imo

I struggle with long sentences but I would just like to leap to the defence of the mods. *leaps*

I help moderate a couple of high-traffic, moderately well-known messageboards and sites elsewhere on the interwebs, and it's a pretty thankless task sometimes. You can't follow every last conversation, or chase up every last infraction of the rules, or interpret them all perfectly every time. When there's more than one mod, the difference in attitude or sensitivities between each mod will make inconsistency inevitable. One mod will let something slide where another would stomp on it hard. Sometimes mistakes or misjudgements are made. Mods aren't perfect, they're humans just like you, and they're usually trying to moderate vast quantities of inane chatter at the same time as doing their actual proper day-jobs.

If they weren't doing their thing the place you like chattering on would be full of spambots and trolls and godknowswhat. Cut them some slack. You could maybe even make their lives less difficult by accepting that they're not perfect and, well, try not to annoy them?

Right, flame away... 🙂

No worries dd. 😀

buzz-lightyear - Member

I think the blocking plug-in is ace. Wont tell you who I have blocked but it's helping my blood pressure. Can it be made integral to the forum?

On that the dumped thread there are several posts that appear to me to be more offensive than GWs. His might have been worth modding - in dubious taste but others were worse imo

On that the dumped thread there are several posts that appear to me to be more offensive than GWs.

Personally I'm not that childish.

Thanks for the advice, but nor am I.

that blocking thing'd be great, you could block out all the boring gits like myself that don't serve any purpose on here. can you block yourself? I've even e-mithered STW to delete my account cos I was narked about someone modding my drunken ramblings (paulosoxo?) and they didn't even bother replying! what a no-mark! (see what I did there)

Is having a ban a bit of a right of passage? All so tiresome really which is a shame as when the usual suspects are not acting like kids they contribute a great deal, just let themselves down in situations like this.

Really don't see the point of the blocking add-on. In order to avoid getting dragged into pointless debate I'd have to block TJ, edu and ernie - which would just mean I'd also miss most of the useful stuff on here. Everybody else I can quite happily just scroll over their posts (apologies to anybody I'm ignoring without even using software).

Isn't it weird reading threads if that persons contribution is blocked? Must make some threads really hard to follow.

<takes deep breath>

Would it not be better to train yourself to ignore the individual rather than block them out? Good practice for the real world and all that. Probably better for your blood pressure too.

Maybe it's me, I think I've clearly underestimated the importance that people put on their internet stability and contentment. I dont mind being wrong, it's just a bit surprising.

Mint - fair comment and good on them for letting this run.

I can deal with things getting missed - I know its reactively moderated so only if reported does it come to the attention of the mods.

What I find hard to take it the way that some nasty prejudiced posts are allowed to stand despite reporting from posters with plenty of previous and other posters get banned with no warning for something much less offensive

OMgosh. people letting themselves down on a cycling forum! 🙄 I bet they even fall off their bikes and all! what failures.

GW getting a ban for that comment is nuts frankly. Pretty inoffensive and worse goes by all the time with no note. Presumably gets a little less slack since he's such a fiery ball of trollish rage some of the time, but that doesn't justify it. If it was for the language, there's worse in this thread! If it was for the tone/anecdote, there's worse everywhere.

Being a mod's a thankless task- thanks mods- but whenever I've screwed it up, people have let me know and I've tried to learn from it. It happens. A forum's not a democracy and it's entirely right that the mods get to be dictators, but at the same time the forum's here for a reason and if the mods lose track of that, that's a problem for the health of the site.

All IMO of course 😉

What I find hard to take it the way that some nasty prejudiced posts are allowed to stand despite reporting from posters with plenty of previous and other posters get banned with no warning for something much less offensive

I agree GW didn't deserve a ban for his post (was pretty funny, and a shame the forum rules don't allow that), but that's just my opinion, and taking no account of anything else he might have posted and how many warnings he's had.

Junkyard, you've reported me a number of times haven't you?