[Closed] Overtaking.

That has to be a joke, crikey?

depends on 'quickly' surely

You can't drive quickly and still be safe!

I bet your not a fan of strava either...

You can drive quickly and be safer if you've done further driver training.

Just for crikey.........the good old days 😉
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Of course it's a joke!

I'm pointing out that there are few subjects that anger the above emasculated types quicker than suggestions regarding their driving.

It would appear that most would be happy enough to find their wives in bed with the milkman as long as they could overtake him!!!!111!!1!1 In his bloody Milk Float, driving at 15 miles an hour, in [i][u]MY BLOODY WAY[/u][/i], [b][i][u]WHEN I'M TRYING TO MAKE PROGRESS!!!!111!1!!1!!![/u][/i][/b]

[i]you do know you can fail your driving test for not making progress?[/i]

Just to drive this point home, during my lessons I was told to overtake another car. Nothing unusual in that, except that I was driving a articulated lorry.

The car was a learner doing 30mph on a 60mph (for him) single carriageway. An LGV being able to do 40mph on the same road, I overtook as had this been the test a few days later, I would be running the risk of picking up faults for hesitation.

During my lessons I also witnessed some scary overtaking, including a taxi who overtook me by passing the wrong side of a traffic island, blindly entered a mini roundabout on the wrong side and then left on the wrong side too whislt I was crossing it 😯

but having a car that very, very little on 4 wheels can keep up with .....

What do you drive ?

I bet your not a fan of strava either...

Pretend racing for the fragile egoed.

I'm just going to put this here and go away and watch game thrones, y'all have fun now

http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2939

You can drive quickly and safely if you have some kind of awareness of your car's capabilities, and more importantly your own. Training will reinforce that, but it's not a prerequisite.
How safe is being in control of a ton and a bit of killing machine when someone who's had the temerity to overtake you sends you into incandescent rage?

What do you drive crikey?

I think the fundamental problem is one I have already alluded to: the car, great modern symbol of freedom and power and status, is just another transport machine. You can buy a fast one, you can drive it really fast, but essentially you are just another item in the traffic. Accept it, relax and worry about other things.

What do you drive crikey?

Bingo!

Why is this an issue?

(...and another thing - you noticed how the people who do 40 in a 60 limit are also the ones who do 40 in a 30 limit...?)

If I take the A-roads rather than the motorway to work, there's a section that goes from NSL to 30 to 50 (and obviously, vice versa in the opposite direction).

Pretty much daily I'll see this; someone tootling along at 40mph in the 60; I'll squirt past them on the straight section, and then have them right up my arse by the end of the 30 zone only to to see them disappear in my RVM once I hit the 50 zone.

Coming back, there isn't really space to overtake safely in the 50 bit, so I'll follow someone at the 40 they're doing. Hit the 30 zone, I drop to 30 and they disappear off into the distance. Reach the NSL again, and they'll be under my feet by the first corner. WHAT GOES THROUGH YOUR MIND?!

More under the bonnet

As a general rule, if you want more under the hood, it's a good idea to start with the one on your head.

There's a problem with this 'picking off'. The overtaking queue is a queue. You might think that everyone in it is an old granny who likes driving at 30mph. But in your haste, you are pushing in front of people who are waiting their turn and giving the people in front FAIR CHANCE to overtake.

And the corollary to that is when, as others have described, you've driven through several perfectly good overtaking points and no-one's budged.

There seems to be an awful lot of drivers who will never, ever overtake anything, yet will happily throw their car into oncoming traffic with gay abandon rather than slowing down if they encounter a cyclist or a stationary hazard.

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You can drive quickly and be safer if you've done further driver training.

Should be mandatory since it seems like most of the people on here can't even master the basics of mountain biking without going on a skills course. I wouldn't trust them to know what they're doing behind the wheel of a powerful car.

What do you drive crikey?

Do you ask people this at parties too?

If only Top Gear was on.......

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Do you ask people this at parties too?

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If only Top Gear was on.......

Indeed 😆

How safe is being in control of a ton and a bit of killing machine when someone who's had the temerity to overtake you sends you into [b]incandescent rage?[/b]

When you say "sends you into an incandescent rage" do you mean "causes you to flash your lights"

Exaggerating didn't help make your point 😉

What do you drive ?

I'm just going to put this here and go away and watch game thrones, y'all have fun now

That's really good. I've said for a long time that in any demographic, it's the vocal minority which gives the rest a bad name.

Interesting thread this!

Lots of jumping to conclusions about other people's driving and the safety thereof.

I have to drive a lot for work and have done so for many years, probably averaging over 20k a year for my working life.

I have noticed a lot of the behaviour in the above trail, same speed regardless of conditions etc It would seem the average speed on most single carriage way is 44 mph currently.

I do overtake (more than) occasionally and have had some indignant flashes of the lights for my trouble, regardless of the distance left pre and post overtake. It seems that some people do not like anyone exceeding their definition of the safe speed!

I guess the take home message is that speed needs to be used safely, sparingly and with consideration for the conditions and other users of the road.

I would say that the fault is as much with the mono-speeders as the charge of the late braking Audi brigade!

It's not.

Why can't you just accept that it is possible for people to enjoy themselves quite safely driving, and in their choice of vehicle. That sometimes means you'll be overtaken, but there's nothing wrong in that, any more than there is in being overtaken.
I also accept that some people get no enjoyment from driving and that's all good to.

Edit, I'm too slow a typer to keep up with this thread. I'm off to drive my car at reckless speeds (sometimes exceeding 40miles and hour) around deserted bone dry roads. For the sole purpose of fun.

Should be mandatory since it seems like most of the people on here can't even master the basics of mountain biking without going on a skills course. I wouldn't trust them to know what they're doing behind the wheel of a powerful car.

It's a very good point actually.

"How can I improve my riding?" - go on a skills course with Jedi or Great Rock.

"How can I improve my driving?" - my driving's perfect, it's yours that's the problem.

I think it's most interesting because it's absolutely obvious that I'm provoking those who think their driving is really important, and yet they just can't help themselves.

Interesting comment on the psyche of the modern male, methinks.

I am amazed at the "Holier than thou" attitude by so many posts here! Get over yourselves.
If another motorist's actions directly endanger you or others, then that's one thing, but demonising anyone who has a powerful car or who overtakes to save "two minutes" is moronic.
If they are doing something so wrong, then either the law will get them one of these days, or the Baby Jesus will judge them...

couger +1

I agree skids!

I can't get past the wanting to know what car people drive as if this in some way highlights their skill as a driver / quality of risk assessment etc.

Do I change personality if I am driving my BMW 320d, X5 or Porsche? (or Fiesta / Fiat 500)

Crikey, what's actually wrong with you? Just FYI, all you're doing is showing your ignorance of the standard of driving set by the Highway Code and demonstrating that you have a massive chip on your shoulder about cars and penises. The only thing annoying me is trying to decide if you're a bad troll or a genuine menace to other drivers.
Have you been drinking? Computers should be fitted with breathalysers.

And what kind of penis do you have?

The only thing annoying me is trying to decide if you're a bad troll or a genuine menace to ther drivers.

Given the replies, if a troll then I'd say a pretty good one.

A black one. It's MASSIVE!

I have auto gear car so slow traffic jam is fun ... LOL!

Oh ya plenty of zombies love to tailgate leaving hardly any gap for emergency. I am talking about 65-68mph in slow lane and some zombies just have to drive too close i.e. less than 2 seconds gap.

Yes, saw some nasty overtaking at some blind corners 😯 That would be a major collision with mess all over if a car was to appear.

Making safe progress on a road does not always mean staying behind vehicles. Overtaking is a permitted manoeuvre and if done correctly in the right situation is also safe. Some people should bear that in mind when commenting on this thread. Just because you express less feelings of frustration than the OP and state you approach driving with more patience than he articulates, doesn't automatically make you a safer, better driver.

What will make you a better driver is reducing your own complacency.

Given the replies, if a troll then I'd say a pretty good one.

Good trolls don't have to try so hard. 😉

Has anyone other than me actually thought of the children?

The queue of traffic isn't [i]always[/i] down to one slow vehicle at the front. Sometimes, it's down to congestion. Sometimes you have to accept that you're part of that congestion. And just calm down a bit.

I did have a friend once( just the one though mind) age 18 me in the passenger seat bikes on the back. saxo vts

Him overtaking on blind corners on the a82 between laggan and fort william and i asked him what the crack was .

His reply.

Statistically theres more likely to be nothing coming than us hitting a car.....

I drove from then on.

I believe he lost his licence in the end thankfully. We dont keep in touch

I can't get past the wanting to know what car people drive as if this in some way highlights their skill as a driver / quality of risk assessment etc.

The only reason I asked Flying Ox is because he said "very very little on four wheels could keep up"

And as I'm into cars I was interested to hear what it was.

But I've asked twice and seems like its a secret 🙁

[quote=crikey ]Has anyone other than me actually thought of the children?

I decided they were dispensable in the need for speed.

If you're in front, you get first dibs at any opportunity. If you don't take it, it's fair enough for somebody else to.

Ah well here's a few issues.

1) What you think of as 'an opportunity' may not be the same as what I do. Just because you are prepared to cut it close DOES NOT give you the right to queue jump. Unless I've ignored miles of clear road, which in my case I won't have done.

2) Often I am ready to overtake, and I can't, because someone is already in the process of overtaking me. This boils my piss far more.

3) If I'm next in line to pass, and you overtake ME in the queue, then pull in infront of me, I'm no longer next in line. So next time there's space for one car to go, you go and I'm left behind, even though it was legitimately my turn. How can you justify this?

To clarify I think we did 60/65 miles on the route from Filey back to the m62. Think it's mostly the a614, which I can imagine is awesome in parts at 5am on a dry August morning. However, I was this time in my new diesel estate as opposed to the 300 brake thumper that was the impreza which I've drove every time before on that road. Overtaking was more calculated and smooth to be fair due to the lower power, however I got flashed only once, perhaps due to disgruntled drivers not being overtaken by the "Chav machine"! I've got no bother with folk tootling along but ffs leave room for those who want to make progress steadily and much to Crikeys annoyance safely!!

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I got a speeding ticket in our latest car 2 hours after it was picked up from the garage...

When you say "sends you into an incandescent rage" do you mean
"causes you to flash your lights"
Exaggerating didn't help make your point
What do you drive ?

And I don't really see how it's relevant what I drive, other than maybe add flesh to the bones of the stereotype I think you think I conform to. It's a fairly extensively modified Mazda RX7. Hope that helps.

It's a fairly extensively modified Mazda RX7. Hope that helps.

Certainly helped me get an erection.

This mentality that someone who overtakes a queue of traffic in stages is a queue jumper is a load of rubbish. 99% of the time on any NSL road there's a lorry doing 40 and a queue of traffic sat behind who would never have the confidence to overtake in a million years. So they just sit there at 40 behind the truck and grumble and flash their headlights at anyone who dares to safely have a go.

Sometimes it's not safe to overtake the whole line of traffic but it is completely safe to do it in 2 or 3 stages. What's people's problem with this provided it's done safely - I don't understand? Do they just expect everyone else to sit behind them whilst they fail to take advantage of overtaking opportunity after overtaking opportunity? Maybe their just annoyed at their own missed opportunity or their own inadaquacy as a driver? Perhaps more training would help them make progress safely?

I overtake like this on a regular basis because otherwise I'd be sat behind a slow moving vehicle like a lemming too, but then having a car with over 350 horsepower helps a lot. It's amazing how quickly you can pass stuff making overtaking quite fun, and if you can't have fun then what else left is there in life? Making full use of the performance available also means much less time exposed to danger on the wrong side of the road so safer for everyone all round.

You are making a lot of assumptions there molgrips.
In answer to....
1. What you may class as 'cutting it fine' may be no such thing just because [b]you[/b] don't see it as an opportunity.
2. Proves my point re number 1. Person overtaking you obviously has better anticipation and road reading than you.
3. See above points

You snooze you lose 😉
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I overtake like this on a regular basis because otherwise I'd be sat behind a slow moving vehicle like a lemming too, but then having a car with over 350 horsepower helps a lot. It's amazing how quickly you can pass stuff making overtaking quite fun, and if you can't have fun then what else left is there in life? Making full use of the performance available also means much less time exposed to danger on the wrong side of the road so safer for everyone all round.

Are you a Sagittarius?

The NSL on single carriage roads is basically set because no one was bothered to set a proper limit.

The reasons these roads are death traps for other users cyclist,(any of them actually on here) walkers etc is because half wits think a 60 mph limit means drive at 66mph regardless of the actual safe speed for a road.

Great example today with local roads , high verges, twisty, narrow, loads of cyclist, horse riders out and about.
30 was pushing it.

Certainly helped me get an erection.

POIDH.

1) May be, yes. However I often see drivers of oncoming cars having to brake hard to avoid death. To me, cutting it fine means being within say 100m or so of a car closing in on you at 140mph.

2) No, not at all. I wait to see enough clear road before I can overtake. They can see a bit of road and hope that the rest of it's clear.

3) That's not a justification.

You have no idea how I actually drive, btw.

OK, I can't actually resist.

What 'right' is there to an ordered turn at overtaking? Is this in the highway code that you should wait your turn? I'm not sure it is in which case what boils your piss is that other people don't drive the way you want them to, just like the ones that are irritated that you are too slow to overtake...

Of course, it could well be in the highway code in which case, fair point.

And I don't really see how it's relevant what I drive, other than maybe add flesh to the bones of the stereotype I think you think I conform to.

I've already explained the reason for my enquiry above.

Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions 😐

It's a fairly extensively modified Mazda RX7.

Sounds nice. Always wanted a rotary.

Hope that helps.

Well, It answers the question.

Which was all I was after.

Ummm... yes... I read that after I managed to finally post on my sodding phone. Apologies.

You have no idea how I actually drive, btw.

True but you have generalised there and so have I.

I safely carry out the type of manoeuvre you are complaining about on a daily basis and am grateful that your driving includes the use of your rear view mirror.

2. Proves my point re number 1. Person overtaking you obviously has better anticipation and road reading than you.

Often the case - many people seem to drive right up the arse of the truck that they are trying to overtake meaning that their visibility is practically zero. If they dropped back a bit then they would get a much better view of the road ahead and be able to see a passing oppertunity before (as molegrips put it) - someone else gets in there from behind and overtakes first. Perhaps that person behind had better visibility.

When you see an oppertunity to go and it's safe you take it - not dither around wondering if the person first in the queue is going to finally pluck up the courage to go or not. 99% of the time the person at the front of the queue does not go.

Also having a fast car opens up many more safe overtaking opportunities so I can often go when others can't or won't. Don't see why this should be a problem for anyone? It's hardly queue jumping.

There's no rules that says the person directly behind the truck must go first for the overtake. It's no wonder if people actually believe this that they get their piss boiled so easily.

You have no idea how I actually drive, btw.

Bragging aside, the same is true of everyone here. Lot of assuming going on.

The people who flash you (ie me) generally DO have every intention of overtaking, when they consider it safe.

Do you think the driver who has just pulled out to overtake you and pulled back in in front of you, without managing to make contact with your car, didn't see you?

Lot of assuming going on.

Lot of fish swimming in round wooden containers usually associated with the transportation of beer too...

I'll say it again; the psyche of the modern middle aged man seems to be intimately associated with driving and perceived ability at the same. Questioning said ability seems to be an easy way to get a completely predictable response...

As opposed to their previous two or three decades how?

Touche

(I can't find the accent for the e...)

What 'right' is there to an ordered turn at overtaking?

A moral one.

When you see an oppertunity to go you take it

No, you wait to see if anyone in front of you is going to take it first.

I find it inconceivable that people behave this way on the roads, when generally people are so polite in real life. Two people arrive at the checkout queue at the same time, it's all 'after you, no after you'. The same two people could get into their cars and act like total arseholes.

(I can't find the accent for the e...)

Alt-Gr and e is a (little known, seemingly) handy shortcut for that.

I find it inconceivable that people behave this way on the roads,

*some* people.

Not really a suitable analogy, molgrips.
It's more like someone approaching the checkout but staying about 4 foot back, faffing about and looking up and down the row for other checkouts/batteries/magazines/whatever, and then getting the hump when someone else pops in to their "space".

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Lét mé séé...

Ooh, every day is a school day! Cheers fella

molgrips - you still seem to think it's a queue when it's not. You also appear to think that the people on this thread who've commented that they'd wait to see if anybody in front wanted to overtake (and so miss an opportunity themselves) are the same impolite idiots who push in front of you.

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I thought I'd skip straight to the last page on this thread; have to say it's not what I expected.

Olé!

In the café!

That's proper bilingual accenting that is!

That giraffe is easily the best post yet.

60mph isn't a target, but you know that don't you?

But you do know that don't you?

Someone had to stick their neck out.

No, you wait to see if anyone in front of you is going to take it first.

Yep, they get a second or two. You snooze you lose... 8)

Thanks
I have an é in my surname and have never bothered to find out how to do it on a computer.
Cant overtake either , but thats more down to my uber laid back, super economy driving style.

You do know that don't you?

I knew that, but now know about the é thing, which may prove more valuable in the future...

You snoozé you losé

Come on, get with the programmé!

I knew that, but now know about the é thing, which may prove more valuable in the future...

Alt Gr doesn't work on my keyboard 😥