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A couple was apparently 'humiliated' when told by a security person to stop snogging in the middle of Cardiff's international food festival this past weekend, and the photos taken of the 'incident' show that they were being pretty 'in your face' about the whole display of affection.
While I, personally, would not have found it offensive, it does seem to me that there are some lines of decency and respect for others, related to 'where and when', that these two people crossed.
I would not think that an out-and-out, faces-pressed-together, bodies writhing, extended snog* is the most appropriate behaviour for the daytime, all-ages, festival crowd.
Hand-holding? Yes. A light kiss? Sure. A hug? Of course. Anything more, and I would say, save it until the evening.
Thoughts?
*Description could be exaggerated.
So long as no one gets their wanger out I'm fine with it.
I agree
Think of the children
Honestly though, I don't really want to see it in a public place, wait until you get home
So long as no one gets their wanger out I'm fine with it.
No one involved in the snogging had (has?) a wanger.
Just smooshing faces together I can't see a problem with*. Any associated "fumbling" is not really for public consumption tho.
I reckon that'll be the cause for alarmNo one involved in the snogging had (has?) a wanger.
* altho being in close proximity eg train carriage, the sounds of slobbering would probably be quite off putting
I've no objection to it in public in more approprite setting (18+ music festival for instance), but at an event with families/children around then it should be kept within pre-watershed limits of decency.
In the name of taste, decency and consideration for the [s]under-aged[/s] middle-aged...
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No one involved in the snogging had (has?) a wanger.
In that case at least one of them has something more to worry about. Unless of course they are both laydees in which case there's no chance of wanger exposure so as you were.
More seriously, I honestly have no problem with public displays of intense affection. Normally makes me smile and think how wonderfully lucky those two (it is normally limited to two) people are.
Thoughts without pictures? Even though you specifically mention pictures of an 'incident'?
Piss poor STW manners there SR, please have a think about what you've done 😆
I'm happy to engage in arse slapping, fondling and kiss chase in public.
However a kiss lasting any longer than 3s is where I draw the line.
All bets are off though if I actually know the woman.
You mean a couple were actually together kissing rather than doing it via social media and texts?? Absolutely disgraceful behaviour
C'mon, you were surely young and in love once....
Ffs what depressing reading!
The subtext here is "two girls kissing, ban this sick filth" isn't it. Slow news day?
Colour me 'meh'. We're far too uptight about stuff like this as a country, if not as a species. Generation by generation we're getting progressively less so, and that's a good thing. In another hundred years, the relatively liberal attitude we have towards sex and sexuality will seem as repressed to them as the 1920s does to us now.
Those screaming "won't somebody think of the children" would do well to remember what causes children in the first place.
Just looked up the story as the OP's post was a little vague. It was indeed two women.
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The photographs of the kissing doesn't look particularly intense. Is the real issue that they are both the same sex?
Cougar, I don't disagree with what you've said - although it does seem in this case that the couple was putting themselves 'on stage' so to speak. And no matter what the couple's sexuality was, what people go to a food festival for - at least on a sunny Saturday afternoon - is unlikely going to include watching people engage in nightclub-type behaviour.
Even when I was young, and inclined to be a bit more expressive with my affections, I am pretty sure I would have recognised that there was a difference between a Sunday afternoon fair in the city park surrounded by families, and a night time rock concert (for example).
I certainly don't believe it is necessary to suppress all suggestions of people's sexuality at all times and in all places; I just think that where any of us express ourselves warrants consideration.
[On the other hand, if people reacted merely out of some homophobic impulse, then I have no sympathy. I deliberately wanted to leave the sexuality of the couple in question out of it.]
EDIT: Definitely NOT, muppetwrangler. The photos in other papers were more detailed.
although it does seem in this case that the couple was putting themselves 'on stage' so to speak.
I dunno, those two both look like quite shy retiring types.
I'm disgusted by that picture.
Cardiff: The Event Capital of Wales
WTAF is the word Event doing in there. Someone should be fired, twice.
Banner writer: GET IN THE SEA!
Nothing else in the pictures raises any ire.
what people go to a food festival for
Fish supper ?
IGMC
[quote=Cougar ]The subtext here is "two girls kissing, ban this sick filth" isn't it.
Those screaming "won't somebody think of the children" would do well to remember what causes children in the first place.
Maybe they have 😉
A couple kissing, even intensely, doesn't particularly bother me and isn't something I'd particularly shield the delicate eyes of my children from.
But a stranger taking photos of a couple kissing... that's a bit odd.
it does seem in this case that the couple was putting themselves 'on stage' so to speak.
They could be exhibitionists, could just be that they don't give a toss what anyone else thinks. We'd be speculating at best.
And no matter what the couple's sexuality was, what people go to a food festival for - at least on a sunny Saturday afternoon - is unlikely going to include watching people engage in nightclub-type behaviour.
Was watching them mandatory? Or could the onlookers just not help themselves from having a good gawp and taking photographs?
I've got a really effective trick for not watching things I don't want to watch. I don't watch them.
I do take your point, of course. R-rated behaviour is inappropriate at a family event. But having seem the picture posted above I can now see why two fairly attractive, colourfully attired young ladies having a bit of a pash might suddenly be deemed newsworthy. I imagine there's no shortage of photographs to accompany this story.
GrahamS: One does wonder how they got all those photos. It was in the South Wales Echo, but other papers carried photo after photo, from various angles.
Those screaming "won't somebody think of the children" would do well to remember what causes children in the first place.
Beause sexualised 13 year olds with their great sense of responsibility and common sense is a great idea 😕
I'm not suggesting that a couple (of any gender combination) having a snog in public is an issue but unfettered 'liberalisation' leads to social problems with younger and younger kids getting their end away and as you rightly pointed out that's where babies come from.
[i]But a stranger taking photos of a couple kissing... that's a bit odd.[/i]
I do that. I save them for when I get home, because public displays of self-satisfaction are also frowned upon 🙁
Beause sexualised 13 year olds with their great sense of responsibility and common sense is a great idea
The horse has bolted, quick, shut the gate.
unfettered 'liberalisation' leads to social problems with younger and younger kids getting their end away and as you rightly pointed out that's where babies come from.
Well call me Mr Liberal but, maybe if we actually educated children rather than "protecting" them from sex and pretending it doesn't exist, we wouldn't have that problem. Hmm?
Your average 12 year old may not have access to sex education but could have access to RedTube. Is that a particularly healthy situation?
I'm not suggesting that a couple (of any gender combination) having a snog in public is an issue but unfettered 'liberalisation' leads to social problems with younger and younger kids getting their end away and as you rightly pointed out that's where babies come from.
Are you suggesting that there are 13 year olds that don't know that people kiss?
I don't mind them kissing as long as it's not while they are stopped in a thoroughfare. I hate people just stopping in my way.
If your going to stop step aside. grrr.
That photo does look a bit exhibitionist...which is merely tedious.
You've got me. Where are the two women in picture 2? I'm playing Where's Wally? here.
2 remotely attractive women kissing each other, whats wrong with that?
[url= http://www.****/news/article-3160413/Lesbian-couple-s-fury-ordered-stop-kissing-security-guard-food-festival-told-behaviour-inappropriate.html ]Daily Mail version of events - yes, I know[/url]
Probably a bit of exhibitionist type behaviour from a couple of folk that (making assumption here) like to try and 'shock' with their lifestyle choices.
Meh, not personally that bothered but not very classy behaviour imo. But they don't look like they would give a toss about my opinion. To be 'shocked and upset' by being told to cease and desist means you are either a bit thin skinned or a typical millennial and not used to not getting your own way.
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If they had blue hair* would people's pants bunch/people yawn more or less?
*Blue-rinse excluded. That's jumping the shark...
Plenty of opinions here and elswhere of course, and little or no comment on the girl's statements or how they felt after being . i found this from Wales Online:
Mog said: “We were dancing to the live music and I kissed Freya because she looked so beautiful and it was her birthday.“The someone come up to us and told us it was disgusting and to stop because there were children around but this was a public place and we were not doing anything wrong. I am quite fierce and not a shy girl so I brushed it off. But it did leave me a bit shaky.”...In a show of support to the girls two men also began publicly kissing and received a round of applause and cheers from onlookers.
Mog said: “These two men were complete strangers and I think in a drunken show of outrage and support they started kissing and some of the crowd cheered them on.
“This was so upsetting. I’m sure if it was a husband and wife kissing then nothing would be said. But I am made of tough stuff and I am just glad that it did not happen to other more quiet and sensitive girls.
“I spend a lot of time in my private space and don’t often go to public events like that so I am not confronted with things like this often. Growing up I encountered a lot of prejudicial behaviour but I left that behind.
"So I was shocked to encounter something like this again.
I found the article in question.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/lesbian-couple-left-shocked-upset-9648393
A few snippets.
Mog Wilde and Freya ... both work as adult performance artists.
So perhaps no surprise if they got a bit enthusiastic.
They met after being introduced by Freya’s sister, who Mog met at a lip reading class six years ago.
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Mog said: “We were dancing to the live music and I kissed Freya because she looked so beautiful and it was her birthday.“The someone come up to us and told us it was disgusting and to stop because there were children around but this was a public place and we were not doing anything wrong.
"Dancing and kissing," perfectly innocent. Going at it like they're on stage, probably inappropriate.
Purple haired girl is preggers.
I think it's because one of them's a girl and one of them's a parrot.
Attention seekers get attention
Frothers get to froth
Win:Win, surely ?
"Mog" and "Freya"?
I take it all back... GET IN THE SEA.
Remove all puddings from said food festival, problem solved.
RM.
Dancing to a live band at a festival and having a snog with your partner not exactly a news worthy event.
I save them for when I get home, because public displays of self-satisfaction are also frowned upon
Heh
My aunt was on a nudist beach near Swanage, if my memory is correct. When she reached the far end of the beach where all the swimmers and more active members (heh) where hanging out (ha!) she noticed a bloke doing exactly what you suggest - not giving one iota of a shit.
That's public indecency, not this trivial bollox...
cinnamon_girl - MemberPurple haired girl is preggers.
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Northwind - MemberI think it's because one of them's a girl and one of them's a parrot.
[b]= Preggers parrot[/b] ... 😀
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Imagine they are in the Greek island of Lesbos?
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==[/b] Does that make them [b]Lesbos preggers parrots[/b]? 😛
But a stranger taking photos of a couple kissing... that's a bit odd.
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Three_Fish - Member
Those are not Lesbos preggers parrots ... 😡
i'm dead against people doing that kind of business in public tbh.
can't they give some thought to people who aren't getting any,and have to rely on their best friend (right hand) for relief.
PLEASE THINK OF THOSE PEOPLE! 🙁
In another hundred years, the relatively liberal attitude we have towards sex and sexuality will seem as repressed to them as the 1920s does to us now
I'm not old enough to remember but some of the clothing from the 20s suggests they were quite kinky. Well, they do in my limited imagination. And I know it's not a pic [i]from[/i] the 20s but it's closest to what sprung to mind when reading your post...
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Purple haired girl is preggers.
but,
but...
how?
Dancing to a live band at a festival and having a snog with your partner not exactly a news worthy event.
It is if you don't have regulation gender and clothing. This is the 10's not the [s]60's[/s] early 80's
Purple haired girl is preggers.
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some of the clothing from the 20s suggests they were quite kinky.
You may well have a point. TBH, I picked a random year from a while ago without care for detail.
You may well have a point. TBH, I picked a random year from a while ago without care for detail.
Your error in decade selection highlights a bigger error. People make big generalisations about society being on an every progressing path of liberalisation. It's not true. We might just as well see more socially conservative periods of history ahead of us. It's happened before, will happen again.
So long as no one gets their wanger out I'm fine with it.
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To be fair they do both appear to be regulation compliant female gender their sexuality appears to be regulation lesbian too so nothing at all out of the ordinary about them .
The Paris Kiss photo was staged though.
"The court action forced Doisneau to reveal that he posed the shot using Françoise Delbart and Jacques Carteaud, lovers whom he had just seen kissing, but had not photographed initially because of his natural reserve; he approached them and asked if they would repeat the kiss. He won the court case against the Lavergnes.[1][3][9][10] Doisneau said in 1992, "I would never have dared to photograph people like that. Lovers kissing in the street, those couples are rarely legitimate."[8][9]"
If it stops short of fingers n tops, what's the problem?
In fact, even then...?
The Paris Kiss photo was staged though.
You know, I rather thought it would have been. I was looking at some of his photographs in a gallery this afternoon, coincidentally, and the one that really caught my eye was this:
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[i]Sidelong Glance[/i]
It made me smile, the bloke catching a cheeky look at the nude while the woman scrutinises the unseen image in the window. It got me thinking about the fortune of catching such a shot, although on further investigation it transpires that 'Sidelong...' is a series of images. Here are a couple more:
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[i]The Kiss[/i], staged or not - and it's a wonderful subject to consider from a documentarian's perspective - tells a lovely story that most people take something positive from. It's very interesting to see the observations, reactions, and 'reasoning' behind people's reactions, to the two girls kissing. People are strange...
Pop trivia on "The Kiss" - that quintessentially french looking chap in the beret was Irish. 😀
(I pray this is not an urban myth, but it wouldn't surprise me if it is.)
Funnily enough, so was this one.The Paris Kiss photo was staged though.
Totally unexpected, despite her posting this 5 days earlierSophie Merlo who took the pictures said: 'They were just kissing and holding hands. I did not expect that reaction at all'
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[i] All bets are off though if I actually know the woman.[/i]
What, your mother?
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I got so far then realised this is about the tail wagging the dog.
Reading a particular members posts. It would seem that all you parents are going to have to stop taking your families to events where you might risk witnessing something happening that might be better suited to taking place in the privacy of a house.
Or risking your children seeing something they haven't been appropriately brain washed to accept.
Some may feel a need to contradict natures intention, but that in no way empower them to gain a whip-hand over those around them.
Again, its personal rights weighed against an individuals responsibility to those around them.
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something happening that might be better suited to taking place in the privacy of a house.
The kids regularly see me kiss MrsGrahamS in the privacy of our house.
I don't have an issue with them seeing people kiss in public.
Some may feel a need to contradict natures intention
WTaF?
"natures intention"?
Are same-sex relationships "unnatural"?
Someone should probably tell [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals ]all the other species that do it then[/url]!
These mallards have clearly been brain-washed:
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GrahamS.
Pretty poor attempt there, even by STW standards.
Exemplary case of not reading the post, before hitting the keys in an unsurprisingly rabbid, knee jerk fashion.
Your post, it's so shambolic, there's evidently no point dealing with it.
Happy frothing.
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I'm with the parrot theory.
Has Bill Oddie commented ?
This has swung from affection to lust, you can pat a dog affectionately without giving it 'the vulcan'.
Most of the the time.
Exemplary case of not reading the post, before hitting the keys in an unsurprisingly rabbid, knee jerk fashion.Your post, it's so shambolic, there's evidently no point dealing with it.
I'm not sure which part about brain washing and "nature's intent" you feel I misinterpreted from your post Solo.
But I can understand why you might want to stop digging. 😀
That's actually quite amusing, because that's what I thought about your original post! 😆 what were you actually on about?Your post, it's so shambolic, there's evidently no point dealing with it.
"It would seem that all you parents are going to have to stop taking your families to events where you might risk witnessing something happening that might be better suited to taking place in the privacy of a house."
Better keep them out of churches then there is lots of kissing in church in my experience. Often the vicar actually tells them to do it.
Did someone say that Cheggers was pregnant?
[i] I'm not sure which part about brain washing and "nature's intent" you feel I misinterpreted from your post Solo.
But I can understand why you might want to stop digging.[/i]
Oh, grahams. I do like your public admission of your great dumbness, it's as close as you're going to come to apologising and so on behalf of everyone here, I accept.
I might have felt inclined to assist you with the correct interpretation of my post. But as you've clearly demonstrated, you're hindered on at least two points.
Firstly, your over developed, "hair trigger" response combined with a desperate need to flame, clearly has made you appear to be beyond help.
Secondly, your attempt to antagonize me in the way you have, indicates you probably couldn't understand even if for pity's sake, I did try to help you.
natures intent is self evidently that lesbians homosexuals bi-sexuals and transgender people exist and given that they are in all physical intellectual and moral respects the same as any other human nature clearly intends them to be treated equally.
Most children at my sons nursery kiss each other as a greeting freely and without gender discrimination I would suggest that a child would need to be brainwashed by something to depart from that point and come to see a same sex kiss as abnormal.
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I have no desire at all to "flame" or "antagonize" you Solo.
So yes I do readily apologise if you felt that way.
I just disagreed with the points that [i]I thought[/i] you were making.
Apparently you were actually making very different points that are far too subtle for my feeble mind to comprehend.
Which is frustrating.
But ultimately a good thing, because the points that [i]I thought[/i] you were making were pretty homophobic.
Crankboy.
Well done for giving your second post, some more thought.
Of course, as far as the others are concerned, it helps not to succumb to their own prejudices before pointing their fingers.
It's become unintentionally, quite amusing to see all those who've misinterpreted my comments and immediately type cast me.
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Is this dumbass Wednesday?
It'll be banhammer Wednesday if you don't tone it down.
Most children at my sons nursery kiss each other as a greeting freely and without gender discrimination I would suggest that a child would need to be brainwashed by something to depart from that point and come to see a same sex kiss as abnormal.
Just a reminder that this thread began as a question about the lines surrounding public displays of affection. The sex of the two people involved in the 'story' was incidental to the question.
I wish now that it had have been a heterosexual couple so that there could be no confusing things...
I wish now that it had have been a heterosexual couple so that there could be no confusing things...
If it'd been a heterosexual couple I doubt there would have been a) as many complaints or b) a news story.
solo cheers for your praise not sure what you mean by it but all praise gratefully received.
Regardless of gender mix a passionate snog is not really inappropriate in a public setting of this nature and people who say otherwise really need to open their eyes and consider the reality of life.
groping would be inappropriate regardless of gender mix.
[i] But ultimately a good thing, because the points that I thought you were making were pretty homophobic.[/i]
GrahamS.
Sincere thanks for reconsidering my comments and removing your slurr against me.
I retract my comments at you, also.
Cougar.
Think what you will, this subject appears to elicit a response from you which should possibly see your ban hammer button, temporarily disabled.
(I know that wont happen)
I expressed my disappointment at some of the knee jerk responses to my post trying to hassle me for something I haven't said.
As GrahamS has shown you, we could have sorted this without your comments.
DD
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Edit.
Crankboy. Cheers.
Regardless of gender mix a passionate snog is not really inappropriate in a public setting
I think everyone probably has their "public decency" level. Personally I don't have any issue with a bit of a public pash. In fact I think it is rather nice in a way. But I'd feel that any fumbling beyond that is a bit inappropriate.
The gender of the participants makes no odds to me.
Sincere thanks for reconsidering my comments and removing your slurr against me.
Actually I still have no idea what your original comments were getting at, other than my interpretation of them was (happily) wrong. 😀
When is in public not in public? Because most dogging occurs in areas that have open access to the public, and that is definitely not ok. Is it also time dependent because chucking out time in my local area looks like a free for all in a brothel.
because chucking out time in my local area looks like a free for all in a brothel.
PM your location Benji, we should go for a drink, email in profile 😉 x