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Laughed at Leeds getting a kicking. Then promptly went to Huddersfield (vs Fulham) and got a piece of the same 5-1 pie (except we were also at home). Oh well here comes another long season, but at least it wasn’t wet and cold.
Caher - he wasn’t picked to start. And when he came on he was useless. Being the main man at United suits him and he’s some bloody player.
No Kane in the Spurs squad
Who'd have thunk it?
He'll be in a City shirt by next weekend then? I wonder how much Levy ratcheted up the asking price with the shenanigans of the last couple of weeks?
Just read on the BBC that Gerd Muller has passed, predated me a little but his records were phenomenal. 547 goals in 594 competitive games and 68 goals in 62 appearances for West Germany.
It is a good stadium they now have at spurs, it has to be said.
City looked leggy, still more to come I think.
First whole match I have watched this weekend, excellent refereeing, if the others have matched it looking forward to a much better season of refereeing, some players will have to adapt a little.
That was a pretty good performance by Spuds. Tanganga was superb.
Early days yet, but the weekend it’s been great to see that a lot of the ridiculous refereeing and VAR nonsense from last season seems to have stopped. Here’s hoping…
At the risk of starting another LOAF circlejerk with Chromolyolly
Early days yet, but the weekend it’s been great to see that a lot of the ridiculous refereeing and VAR nonsense from last season seems to have stopped. Here’s hoping…
the referees get the blame for the 'ridiculous refereeing' but so much is dictated to them in the way the governing bodies / PGMOL see things. I'm sure many times the refs also think the interpretions are 'wrong' (can an interpretation be wrong? it's an opinion?) but they have to comply for consistency. When the authorities get their interpretations right, the referees get better overnight in the eyes of the public.
I’m not blaming the refs at all. It was the ridiculous interpretation of the rules they were made to enforce that was the problem last season. The handball rule, for example, was an utter farce that changed the results of plenty of games
I’m sure the refs are a lot happier this season, as are the rest of us. The games are definitely flowing more and not constantly stop/start, and that can only ever be a good thing
So City have lost their last three games without scoring? Champions League, Community Shield and today. Pep out!
An interesting change to the formats this year..
1st place puts you into last 16 of Europa.
2nd place, puts you in to a last 16 EL playoff with CL 3rd place. (an extra round before last 16)
3rd place, put you into a last 16 conference playoff with 2nd place conference. (an extra round before last 16)
Worth winning yer Europa or conference league group if possible.
For those doing the fantasy league, I've started listening to this podcast while doing my late night nappy changes and feeding. It's with Jon Richardson and Matt Forde.
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Set up is class this year. Just need a bit more wealth redistribution from the CL into the EL.
New 3rd trophy is interesting.
I want us to win it one year, would be class.
well I didn't see that coming
Bruno’s not going to like this! 20 less penalties for him to take this season.
Is the huge ‘welcome back to Manchester’ billboard up on the side of Victoria Mill yet? 😂
I suspect the City thing may well have been a wind-up
Binnerette number one is very very excited about his return
Wow. Good to see him back. If only the other guy had gone to Citeh...
Suspect the City story was a ploy by him and his agent to engineer the move to Utd.
Thats what I suspected as well.
Not sure he is going to have much of an impact on the pitch as a player this time around, but wouldn't be surprised if he took over from Ole as manager in 12 months time.
I don't know if it will be a positive, he's going to expect game time but his style of play isn't something I think Man U are working towards. He's not going to be aroundes long term so will it help or hinder the development of the promising youngsters like Greenwood?
He’s an out and out centre forward now - he’ll play in the middle. Rashford, Greenwood and Sancho will rotate, two out of three, as wider forwards. Nice to have Cavani on the bench to chuck on! Martial too, if they’re really desperate.
Pressures really on Ole now. They couldn’t not sign him I guess.
He’ll not be playing against Norwich on a Monday night, but he’ll start champions league games.
so will it help or hinder the development of the promising youngsters like Greenwood?
I don’t know about stifling players like Greenwood, I think the opposite. If you watch the Ronnie documentary he’s the absolute consomethinge professional. That’s why he’s still going at 36. I reckon the young players will benefit enormously from having him and Cavani around. That’s a masterclass right there
I don’t suppose we need to ask who gets to wear that number shirt…
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Kevin Keegan?
Ronnie could always get a big curly perm?
Agree Binners - great signing for the young lads, Greenwood especially who there’s been a few murmurs about re dedication and discipline. As a bit of an aside is it true Phil Jones refused to give up the number four shirt for Varane?!
Who?
Always seemed a weird fit for Pep/City
I don’t know if it will be a positive, he’s going to expect game time but his style of play isn’t something I think Man U are working towards.
Put good players on the pitch and hope they come up with something is very much Ole's style so it's a.good fit imo.
Who gets sacked ??? Pep Tuchel Ole … 100 mill 98 mill 148 mill (ish) ……. 3 teams …. all spent huge to win the Premier or The Champions League …. the respective owners might even expect both for that outlay !! 3 teams 2 competitions…doesn’t go!!!
Not strictly true.
One clubs owner will sack a manager even if they win the champions league, but not in the right style.
Another clubs owners want to be up there competing at the very top level, but are realists and are just happy for people to be talking about the lack of a recognised centre forward and not human rights abuses.
The other clubs owners couldn’t give a flying **** whether the team wins owt or not as long as shirt sales are strong in Malaysia and they’ve just signed a deal with a new donut partner in Wisconsin
So obviously it’s Tuchel who’s getting sacked first. That’s just inevitable. Actual results from all 3 teams will have little bearing on that. It’ll just be down to how soon Roman gets bored
Oh dear Arsenal, not a good start.
Not sure I quite agree but an interesting take:
Three years ago, Juventus paid £100m for a 33-year-old and gave him a basic salary of £26.6m a year, a deal that must now rank as one of the worst in history. Ronaldo was signed to take Juventus, who had lost in two Champions League finals in the previous four seasons, to European glory. Instead they lost in the quarter-final to Ajax, then in the last 16 to Lyon, then in the last 16 to Porto. Juve had won seven scudetti in a row before Ronaldo arrived. They won it again in their first two seasons with him, but finished fourth last year. He may have scored 81 league goals in three seasons, but Ronaldo made Juventus a worse football team.
Definitely not hearing 'Glazers out' very often these days anyway 🙂
Arsenal really don’t like coming up to Manchester on the 28th of August, do they? Ten years to the day since this….
I wonder if City will let them off with 8? They certainly won’t be getting 2 back.
I bet on 5-0 at 26/1. When do I cash out? 2 minutes into the second half when Citeh get their fourth?
Hmmm. Maybe Arsenal will be better without Xhaka. So just the 6.
I think the feel good factor with Ronaldo around certainly won't hurt, no Man U fan will be mad with him returning. I'm intrigued to see how he gets on, I'm not sure either way tbh. I kind of agree with the article (having only read the title of course), Juve didn't need help in the league, Ronaldo was signed for the CL and he didn't help at all. Perhaps none of this was directly his fault but the money should have gone elsewhere to strengthen the squad
I think Arsenal might be threatening Sheffield United’s record from last season.
I bet on 5-0 at 26/1
Don't let off the gas City!
Excellent, £26 for Binners.
I cashed out for 18 quid when the 5th went in as I didn’t think Citeh were done.
I have a running thing with my Citeh mate that I put a quid bet on them winning 5-0 every game. It’s been a good bet so far this season. I had it last weekend at 15-1 too
Arsenal are a total shambles of a club. They’re bottom and thoroughly deserve to be so. The only challenge anyone made on a City player for the whole 90 minutes resulted in a straight red card. Absolutely pitiful!
At least it gets easier for Arsenal now, but it'll be a long old season again with them sitting around mid-table most of it!
Easier? I’m not so sure about that. Surely everyone’s going to be fancying their chances of putting a few past that shambolic defence?
It’s not just the top teams. Brentford managed it easily enough.
Arsenal are a total shambles of a club. They’re bottom and thoroughly deserve to be so. The only challenge anyone made on a City player for the whole 90 minutes resulted in a straight red card. Absolutely pitiful!
Have you got some quids on Arteta not making it past game six?
I don’t think you’d get very good odds on him being the first manager for the sack.
Edit: just had a look and the bookies have got him at 4/9 to be the first to go, so they clearly think it’s a nailed on certainty
The nearest other contender is Ralph Hassenhuttl at 14/1
He’s waiting for the call…
Fair play to the Arsenal fans though
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Chelsea have completely lost their shit here. Not sure what they think they will achieve by carrying on whining at the ref.
They were probably just pointing out how funny Jordon Henderson’s ‘Hard Man’ routine was 😂
Was a weird VAR one, referee walked over, looked at a still frame of the ball on hand and then walked away and gave the penalty and red card, if he'd watched the knee to ball i'd say he might have given a penalty and yellow, as it wasn't a clear goalscoring chance once it came off the knee.
LiVARpool, innit?
I won't claim to know the rules but I read that handball on the line is a red regardless of how it happens
It did seem very quick after going to the monitor - I didn't see that the ref had only looked at a still frame.
It looked to me (and the commentators) like the issue was the way James appears to try and scoop the ball out with his arm after it came off his knee.
it's a bit catch 22. The laws say that if he prevents a goal or DOGSO by handball then it's automatically a red card.
They also say that balls kicked or deflected onto the hand, where hand is in a natural position are not handball.
The question is whether his hand was in a natural position? Was it really a deliberate handball? If not then it's not even handball and therefore no penalty. But that wouldn't be 'fair' either, he stopped the ball going in with his arm.
So you declare it handball and then it becomes an automatic red card. There is no yellow card or no card option, it's all or nothing.
Blatant playacting from Azpilacueta there, scummy. If someone goes down clutching their face with literally no contact, why isn't VAR going back and punishing it?
Given that Fabinho somehow went the whole match without a card I don’t think you’ve much call to be complaining about the refereeing. Not that that’ll stop Klippity, I’m sure. Wasn’t he whining only last week about cards not being given for repeated OTT challenges?
A ten man Chelsea were the polar opposite of a ten man Arsenal today. They dealt with you comfortably. They played you. Hate to say it, but they look scarily good.
Predictable whataboutery.
They dealt with you comfortably.
A well-organised team parking the bus and timewasting successfully isn't really particularly impressive. Liverpool could have broken them down better perhaps.
They were down to ten men, away at Anfield, yet limited you to pot shots from distance and still created chances themselves
You may not think that’s particularly impressive. I did. Especially after watching a team down to ten men absolutely go to pieces earlier. That Chelsea display was textbook in how you play with a man down. Credit where it’s due. Azpilicueta Was superb
It was a great match though. Entertaining stuff! Better if it’d been 11 v 11.
A draw is the best result for us 😃
It was a good game. I thought Chelsea did defend well, and Liverpool were a bit toothless but I look forward to when Burnley next successfully park the bus and everyone talks them up as title contenders as a result!
I feel like Mane isn't looking anywhere near as deadly as previous seasons, he used to look unplayable at times.
When you’re down to ten men, what else is any team going to do than go full Mourhino? Setting out to park the bus and doing it effectively are two different things though. Ask Arteta.
The fact they did it so comfortably and still hit you on the break looks like a problem for you, not them.
Mane wasn’t great the back of last season either. A lot of his shots threatened the corner flag or anyone sat in Row Z more than they did the keeper. Agree with you that he was lethal the season before. He was a shadow of that last season
So who do you think will threaten City this season? I’d say Chelsea, if anyone. Or can anyone come to Anfield, go down to ten men and still get a comfortable draw then?
It’ll be interesting to see which United show up tomorrow to see where we are in the grand scheme of things
So who do you think will threaten City this season? I’d say Chelsea, if anyone. Or can anyone come to Anfield, go down to ten men and still get a comfortable draw then?
I don't think anyone will, realistically, but yeah Chelsea probably most likely. I think United have got a great squad now but I still don't think Ole is up to the job tactically.
We won’t be title contenders, that’s for sure.
Thing is with Ole is that he’s still learning on the job and we all love him because he’s a bloody legend. He’s a big improvement on what came before, he’s signed some great players and we’re (inconsistently) playing good attacking football.
We’re sort of living in hope, have no desire to look for a new manager, want to give him time as the direction of travel is good, but we know we’re a long way off Citeh
Come on…. Give him some credit. His half time team talks must be epic! We’re normally two down by that point, but keep winning 😂
Anyway… Citeh have got no real centre forward and they’re not even bothered because anyone on the pitch can score. As they showed today. And then you look at their bench.
Mane was rubbish last season, talk was he was tired and needed a proper break which he had this summer. I'm starting to think he's lost it. Given Firmino is also well off the pace, I think Liverpool badly need some attacking backup
As a non affiliated football fan (well Reading excepted) I've always had a soft spot for Arsenal. I never forget, open-mouthed watching in 1989 when they beat Liverpool at their impenetrable fortress. But sadly their philosophy seems to be style over substance and I'm afraid this is a legacy of the latter years of Wenger.
The they need another George Graham.
Ole’s had 2.5 yrs binners - and spent loads. Somethings wrong if you aren’t title contenders this year and you’re satisfied with that. Or is an increase in Man U toothpaste sales in Singapore enough to constitute a good season?
I’m also worried about Chelsea - they look solid! Although VVD and Matip showed how to look after Lukaku.
I know I get tired of saying it, but the problems at United are little to do with the manager. The clubs owners are parasites who couldn’t give a shit if they were running a football club or selling vacuum cleaners. They’re just trying to extract as much cash for themselves as possible.
We’re realists. This is as good as it’s going to get for us while those ****s are still at the helm.
How can we compete with a club who’s owners are the opposite? It’s not just about the money, it’s the mindset
Our club is just a cash cow for a gang of American leeches. City is a billboard for Middle Eastern Murderers with unlimited funds to make people not think of them as Middle Eastern murderers. They don’t care what it costs
Blimey, I'd like to see how powerful Man U would be without these "blood suckers". Many clubs can only dream of that buying power.
When the Glazers bought United, with borrowed money that they then loaded onto the club, making their debt it’s debt, United were profitable and debt-free
Since then they’ve been saddled with servicing billions of debt, propping up their other failing businesses and paying the hundreds of millions they award themselves in ‘consulting fees’
So everything’s relative
Go to Old Trafford and see how the stadium compares to Spurs or Citeh. It’s embarrassing
Where we sit, if you go for a beer at half time, it’ll be warm because the fridges don’t work. They’ve been broken for about 4 seasons now. Do you think Joel Glazer gives a shit?
That to me sums up their attitude to the club and the fans. As the rain comes in through the knackered roof of the stands, and in Manchester it ALWAYS rains, they couldn’t give a flying ****
I know I get tired of saying it, but the problems at United are little to do with the manager.
I get the point about debts and extracting money etc but how United have spent loads. Liverpool managed to walk the title spending much less, I don't get why you're happy not expecting to challenge for the title.
You've now got Pogba, Sancho, Ronaldo, Fernandes, Cavanni - even Maguire is looking good. If you had a manager with some nous you'd be well in contention imo.
Fair enough. Up until recently Reading were one of the best run clubs in the sub Premier League until we got a dodgy son of of dodgy Russian oligarch who was broke. Then we got the only Chinese industrialist who made useless zinc buckets. We're also depressed.
We’re at the point of years, well over a decade - of catastrophic mismanagement and parasitic money-leeching
So you can’t make the comparison with other clubs. You have to ask where we’d be if we hadn’t been owned by these shysters.
Not where we are now, that’s for sure
Everything is viewed through the prism of how little they can spend while maintaining ‘the brand’ while extracting the most money for themselves
You must know this from having Stadler and Waldorf in charge? Reckon you’d have had Klopp in charge and a final title (after 30 years) if they’d still have been your owners? Of course not! You’d be finishing 7th again
Another hideous Man U away kit, they won't win owt in that!
The bloody awful kit is the least of our worries at the moment
Nice to see our tradition from last season of refusing to turn up for the first half is still going strong.
If they had shooting boots on, we’d going in at half time with our usual two goal deficit
We’ll god only knows how we got away with that?
De Gea was out man of the match. Fred was definitely theirs. He’s an absolute bloody liability!
A new record - 28 away games undefeated - and I’m as mystified as anyone as to how we’ve managed it 😳
COYS !
Just saying
Always a joy to see Graeme Souness really really pissed off.
It’s a bit rich listening to him moaning about ‘physical’ challenges
It’s the sign of champions Binners, playing rubbish and winning!
I did like Souness back in the day, Intimidating and and a very good player.
Messi's on for PSG
Must admit it really is something seeing binners complain about the owners while spending more on wages and transfers than virtually every other team! Glazers are honking but give it a rest!
Speaking about honking, anyone see Burnley today? No wonder no one else wants Dyche, he plays anti-football and Ashley Barnes is an utter disgrace. Saying that, Leeds were poor and probably lucky to get a draw. Some of the Championship side have worryingly reverted to Championship standard and with no real investment (after 100m last summer) it could be a long season.
So was Daniel James sold just to give Ronaldo the number 7 shirt?
Cavani wears number 21 for Uruguay, which James used to wear, this would then free up the number 7.
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So Man U have spent more this season than Liverpool have in the last 3 seasons combined (in which time Liverpool have won the CL and the PL). But somehow the Glazers are the problem and the manager is doing fine. Ooooooook then...
*sigh*
How many times do we have to go over this? Yet again it would appear. It’s not about ‘absolute’ amounts.
The problem isn’t the amount of money being thrown around (they’re making plenty as United is a huge money-generating machine, but they’re still sucking hundreds of millions out of the club for themselves), it’s the totally incomprehensible manner in which it’s being spent.
With Klopp at Liverpool there’s a philosophy and direction and players are obviously bought in to fit into a system. The manager is calling the shots
At United it’s completely scattergun, with no comprehensible strategy to anything at all. It’s clear that transfers are decided in the boardroom and not by the manager, mainly on the strength of replica kit sales. We need a decent holding midfielder (in fact, we need two)… let’s buy another forward instead
How else do you explain the ludicrous Sanchez transfer? Or Van De Beek not figuring at all in Ole’s plans but him arriving anyway, playing for about 5 minutes, and now apparently going out on loan.
The club is just appallingly mismanaged
But fair play to Arsenal. They’ve looked at that particular business model and said “hold my beer…”.
They’ve spent more than us, haven’t they?