[Closed] ot: 50cc scooters - any thoughts? Peugeots ok?

vespa.
have a look at piaggio,they do loads,and the aforementioned.

(s/h)

Thought you still had to do your CBT.

+1 you still need to do to cbt before being allowed on the roads. But it's only 1 day. Might be worth doing cbt on a geared bike though.

Vespa 50cc
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Thought you still had to do your CBT.

A rider who holds either a full car licence or a full moped licence (gained prior to 1 December 1990) may ride a motorcycle as a learner [b]after first completing CBT[/b] as these licences provide provisional motorcycle

What is CBT all about?
As a new rider, you are required by law to complete Compulsory Basic Training (CBT) before you can ride on L-plates. The Driving Standards Agency syllabus will introduce you to safety equipment and riding gear, basic machine control, and the concepts behind road safety. A qualified instructor will accompany you on a minimum of a two-hour road ride. Having reached a safe and proficient level of riding, you will receive a CBT certificate (DL196). This certificate is valid for two years, and allows you to ride displaying L-plates unaccompanied on the road from 1st January 1997, all learner motorcyclists must complete CBT before riding on the road. This includes riders who hold a full car licence dated before 1 December 1990, who were previously exempt under transitional rules from 1st February 2001, car drivers who qualify after 1 February 2001 will be required to complete CBT before riding a moped.

Honder Zoomer. Nothing with that little capacity is nearly that cool. If I could find a reason to but one I would.

A rider who holds either a full car licence or a full moped licence (gained prior to 1 December 1990) may ride a motorcycle as a learner after first completing CBT as these licences provide provisional motorcycle

I got the wrong date:

[b]If you passed your car driving test before 1 February 2001 you don't need to complete a CBT course to ride a moped.[/b] However, the Driving Standards Agency (DSA) recommends that you do.

[url= http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNewDrivers/RidingMotorcyclesAndMopeds/DG_4022430 ]http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNewDrivers/RidingMotorcyclesAndMopeds/DG_4022430[/url]

I bought an aprillia 50cc, it was reliable motor for that year. Sold it later to a friend of mine, then it got stolen. All in all it was a pleasure to own it.

Regards CBT test, I personally would strongly recommend doing it. Had a friend of mine who laughed at me doing it, but then asked to try -that donkey 50cc- needless to say, he crashed. Thanked me later for forcing him to wear helmet and gloves, ... saved him from Tarmac rush.

Do a CBT for £90 and get a 125cc bike, much safer than a small wheeled moped.

Avoid anything "Chinese", the spares and service backup is a nightmare according to my lad who's a m'cycle technician. Peugeot/Yamaha/Piaggio are all good. However, you ought to do your CBT and go for a 125.

do cbt (if required couldn't be bothered to read all the ins and out's above) get honda c90 with topbox

[i]Avoid anything "Chinese", the spares and service backup is a nightmare according to my lad who's a m'cycle technician[/i]

Disagree, some are decent. My local dealer sells Pulse and I recently bought my son one of these:

http://www.pulsemoto.co.uk/BT49QT-20CA.php

He'd spent a bit of time researching the market and (as he's a small workshop type dealer) had seen a fair share of crap been brought in by people who'd bought direct (also beware as you need to register them). Plus these guys run a UK spares warehouse.

They do a cheaper one, but tbh you'd be better spending a bit more to get bigger wheels, better lights/brakes etc.

It does over 100mpg and manages 44mph (after been derestricted).

Not a bad piece of kit, ok nothing like my Triumph, but it was a 1/10 of the price. And even for a 16 y/o all it took was a prov. licence and a days' CBT.

If I was buying one for short trips etc, I'd go for the 125 as its cheaper, quicker and I've a full licence.

The middle red one is my sons', the blue is the cheaper version:

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monkey bike

Mad kids I work with say a Generic Trigger.

Do a CBT for £90 and get a 125cc bike, much safer than a small wheeled moped.

That's mid information at best, poor advice would be a better description.

Please tell me
A) how many miles you've done on scooters (I've done a good 20000-30000 at the very least, and probably 150000 on motorbikes)
B) why a 125 bike is any safer based on your knowledge

I get sick of anti scooter bias by people that don't know a thing about them.
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To the OP:
Do your CBT, and get a 4 stroke 125 Vespa. Do not bother with a French scooter, they are crap quality. The Italians build the best scooters, end of argument. Honda build good ones too but they don't have the style or the performance of the Italian stuff. The 4 valve Piaggo engine is the best scooter lump available, cheap to run and solid as a rock. Pay £1000 for a used Vespa/Piaggio/Gilera (same company) run it 2-3 years and sell it for £800-900.
They really can't be beaten.

A) how many miles you've done on scooters (I've done a good 20000-30000 at the very least, and probably 150000 on motorbikes)

Not many, they are shite.

B) why a 125 bike is any safer based on your knowledge

Because generally they accelerates quicker, stops quicker, have bigger wheels so are a lot more stable, they can go faster so you are not always being overtaken - which is dangerous.

I get sick of anti scooter bias by people that don't know a thing about them.

So from the short statement I wrote, you made that judgement.

Well done you.

the cbt on a 125 would only allow 2 yrs riding before more tests/expense otherwise back to 50cc only. I bought a 2nd hand honda sfx50 for the missus 1998 6000 miles . cost me approx £500 after tweaks. quite quick up to 30mph then that's it!
BR ..i'm sure you know and probably don't care but derestricting your sons bike will have invalidated his insurance unless it was declared (and bikes ARE regularly checked after accidents where a payout may be substantial.)

my advice, do the cbt and get a 125 scooter.
a 125 will do 70 mph and easily keep up with traffic pulling away from traffic lights.
i would happily go the length of the country on a 125 scooter or bike,
but a 50 is out of its depth by the time you get to a 40mph limit.
choose one that can take your helmet under the seat, so you dont have to carry it all day.
happy biking!

as your only doing 8 miles 30mph is plenty or speak to insurnce companys as u may be able to have a de-restricted one lecaly as cc will still be the same some allow it if over 17.
iv found my speedfight good im upto 22000 on it with only minor niggles but as mentioned gilera/piagio are the best scooter eingins around
u could look at the tried and tested typhoon,vespa,runner,skp(stalker),nrg anything allong those lines are used to being raged withing an inch of there life by a 16yo so for a simple commute in caring hands it will last a lifetime

or again as said do cbt and get 125 version of some of the above models and go up to a 4stroke(but it just wont smell the same :lol:)
eventualy to accept the fact that u love riding it and get a bigger cc ped/bike

but it just wont smell the same

Two stroke is one of my favorite aromas

damb right love the smell first thing in the morning when choke is on

[i]BR ..i'm sure you know and probably don't care but derestricting your sons bike will have invalidated his insurance unless it was declared (and bikes ARE regularly checked after accidents where a payout may be substantial.) [/i]

Agree, but at least he can now keep up with the traffic, and TP only, as comp was more than the scoot and TPFT not much less...

Very simple de-restrict too.

BR ..i'm sure you know and probably don't care but derestricting your sons bike will have invalidated his insurance unless it was declared (and bikes ARE regularly checked after accidents where a payout may be substantial.

Thats not actually true.

I crashed a derestricted NSR125R when I was 19, the insurance company didn't care because it wasn't my fault, and I told them.

Ended up with £5000 compensation too.

Flow - You are wrong about scooters and 125s - listen to PP - he actually have the experience

Because generally they accelerates quicker, stops quicker, have bigger wheels so are a lot more stable, they can go faster so you are not always being overtaken - which is dangerous.

Wrong in every particular.

Derestricting mopeds is a really bad move - the insurance is invalid and you will not be riding in accordance with your licence - get caught and its goodbye bike and license

Flow - You are wrong about scooters and 125s - listen to PP - he actually have the experience

Because generally they accelerates quicker, stops quicker, have bigger wheels so are a lot more stable, they can go faster so you are not always being overtaken - which is dangerous.
Wrong in every particular.

So you are telling me bigger wheels aren't more stable?

A 125cc bike doesn't accelerate quicker than a 50cc moped?

A 125 isn't quicker top end?

And 125's are not safer because you aren't constantly being overtaken?

TJ, you are either extremely stupid, or you didn't read what I wrote.

I would go with both.

Derestricting mopeds is a really bad move - the insurance is invalid and you will not be riding in accordance with your licence - get caught and its goodbye bike and license

That is utter bullshit.

Like I said, my bike was derestricted when I crashed it. It had an Arrows race pipe and carbon can, hardly bloody inconspicuous.

The insurance company or the police didn't care one bit.

Flow - scooters and mopeds are not synonymous. Many scooters are much quicker that 125s.

PP has the experience and knowledge as do I - you do not.

A scooter is a much better proposition as a commuter than a 125 motorcycle.Your edit shows your stupidity

I actually doubt your story but if its right you were very lucky.

De restrict your bike both you insurance is invalid and you are not in accordance with your licence. get caught it 6 pts min, bike to crusher.

Flow - scooters and mopeds are not synonymous. Many scooters are much quicker that 125s.

No 50cc scooter is quicker than a 125cc, derestricted or not.

PP has the experience and knowledge as do I - you do not.

Whatever you daft old man, clearly you don't have a clue WTF you are going on about, as always.

I actually doubt your story but if its right you were very lucky.

Of course TJ, I made it up 🙄

Flow - moped does not equal scooter.

Try a gilera runner 200 - much quicker than a 125. Muppet 😛

So again you passed your test when?

You rode a scooter (not a moped) how many miles?

To the OP - a peogeot is fine - most of the euro scooters use the same drivetrains

Try a gilera runner 200 - much quicker than a 125. Muppet

So I was right, you didn't read what I wrote and you are thick.

I was talking about a 50CC MOPED, AND A 125CC BIKE.

And for the record, a scooter is a moped.

[i]

Mopeds are a type of low-powered motorcycle designed to provide economical and relatively safe transport with minimal licensing requirements. In most countries, the legal driving age for a moped is lower than for regular motorcycles and cars. Mopeds are typically restricted to 50 km/h (30 mph) from a maximum engine displacement of 49 cc (3.0 cu in), though there are a few variations.

I would give up now before you make yourself look like even more of a tool than you already have done.

To the OP - don't listen to a word TJ says, he is a clueless old man.

Edit: Obviously I don't need to point that out

FLOW - A SCOOTER IS NOT A MOPED!

the biggest scooter has a 600 cc engine and will do 120 mph

flow
And for the record, a scooter is a moped.

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Do be careful about a 50cc. Did my CBT on one last May (pizza hut delivery style bike) and you do tend to get cars right up your backside, especially if there's any type of incline.

I got myself a Honda PCX 125, and she is really rather beautiful and perfect for my 10mile commute around London, a tad more expensive though.

I was going to opt for a 2nd hand Gilera Runner, but the kids tend to trash them a lot around these parts, and thief's love them, plus at 6'2 I'm perhaps too big for one 😀

Also consider luggage space, mpg, and leg room (if your a tall chap).

80s are ok - and cheapish. mine would do 55mph

You are properly thick aren't you TJ

What is this thread about? 50CC not 600 or 200cc, therefore the scooter in question is a MOPED.

I know that might be a bit much for your ancient brain to figure out, if you need help, ask again.

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Do your CBT, and get a 4 stroke 125 Vespa. Do not bother with a French scooter, they are crap quality. The Italians build the best scooters, end of argument. Honda build good ones too but they don't have the style or the performance of the Italian stuff. The 4 valve Piaggo engine is the best scooter lump available, cheap to run and solid as a rock. Pay £1000 for a used Vespa/Piaggio/Gilera (same company) run it 2-3 years and sell it for £800-900.
They really can't be beaten.

This ^^

8 miles is a long way on a moped, I do 3 every day (Vespa 4-stroke 50cc moped) and the lack of power/speed is wearing - too lazy to get around to CBT! Mind you, the consequences of dropping a moped at 30mph are somewhat limited, as I know to my benefit 😳

Flow - no its only you that is confused.. Mopeds are not the same as scooters although ignorant people often muddle them

PP clearly refered to scooters not mopeds an you have used the two terms synonymously.

flow
And for the record, a scooter is a moped.

😆

WTF are you going on about, I even posted the definition of a moped for you.

Mopeds are a type of low-powered motorcycle designed to provide economical and relatively safe transport with minimal licensing requirements. In most countries, the legal driving age for a moped is lower than for regular motorcycles and cars. Mopeds are typically restricted to 50 km/h (30 mph) from a maximum engine displacement of 49 cc (3.0 cu in), though there are a few variations.

The title of the thread is

ot: 50cc scooters - any thoughts? Peugeots ok?

Making the scooter in question a moped.

Are you really that thick?

Can you not understand? You keep posting as if scooters and mopeds are synonyms. PP clearly referred to a scooter not a moped and you told him he was wrong because you think scooter = moped

flow
And for the record, a scooter is a moped.

do I have to take a CBT? I passed a car test in the mid 80's and it says on my licence i have a 'full' licence for 50cc.

out of interest a moped was a bike with a motor and pedals hence mo-ped.

supertramp = I think you don't you used to get moped licenses with car ones years ago

cheers TJ, I assumed not as it seems silly to have to do a CBT if you have a full licence, but it might be a good idea anyway.

Can you not understand? You keep posting as if scooters and mopeds are synonyms. PP clearly referred to a scooter not a moped and you told him he was wrong because you think scooter = moped

I actually give up with you TJ, you are beyond thick.

Hasn't 'moped'just become a generic term for any small scooter/motorbike now? a word like hoover?

for clarification here is a real moped (pedals and a motor!)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1974-PUCH-CLASSIC-50-MOPED-READY-RIDE-/260886278199?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item3cbe08b037

Moped surely is a specific classification with regards power/weight ratio and top speed?

Indeed a moped is a classification.

supertramp - Member

Hasn't 'moped'just become a generic term for any small scooter/motorbike now?

No = a moped is a distinct classification. some scooters are mopeds, some are not.

Under 50 cc and under 30 mph for a moped

Hasn't 'moped'just become a generic term for any small scooter/motorbike now? a word like hoover?

Exactly

Which is why I said

Do your CBT and a 125 bike instead of a 50cc moped/scooter whtever the **** you want to call it.

They accelerates quicker, stops quicker, have bigger wheels so are a lot more stable, they can go faster so you are not always being overtaken - which is dangerous.

just to stir things up, if we take the original meaning 'pedals and a motor' and think about early scooters (vespa and Lambretta) none of them had pedals (?)

Hasn't 'moped'just become a generic term for any small scooter/motorbike now?

I don't think so. I know the difference between a moped and a scooter and I'm not even slightly into motorbikes.

I knew it was possible for menstrual cycles to syncronise with women sharing a house, but didn't know it was possible over a forum.

Anyway, can someone buy this:

http://autotrader.mobi/used-bikes/advert/201143425169644/viewing-1?PHPSESSID=65lkjmnkvg9nmbmpedecq4hmt5

Before I have to.

Cheers.

I don't think so. I know the difference between a moped and a scooter and I'm not even slightly into motorbikes.

A 50cc scooter is a moped, are you TJ's love child?

contradictiuoing yourself now flow? after all you put the definition up

Remember PP and myself actually have the experience of riding, you think your car is faster than a bike FFS.
😆

A moped is a specific vehicle class of under 50 cc and under 30 mph. a scooter is a type of motorcycle that is a stepthru design. some have big wheels, some small, some are mopeds, some are not

Remember PP and myself actually have the experience of riding

And what the **** is that about, I have had a bike licence for 7 years, 5 of them I was riding a bike everyday because I didn't have a car.

Stop talking shit

Ohhh - give it to me bigboy 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

I love it when you talk dirty

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flow - Member

A 50cc scooter is a moped,

No. A 50cc scooter limited to 50kmh/h is a moped.

flow - Member
A 50cc scooter is a moped,

No. A 50cc scooter is a moped.

Thanks for clarifying that Northwind.

scooters and mopeds do seem to bring out the worst in some people 🙄

maybe you should get a car 😉

Flow - you clearly know less than eff all about bikes having claimed that your car was faster than a 600 touring bike when it wasn't. You now claim scooters are mopeds when thy are not and also claim all scooters have little wheels - when they do not

You also talk a load of pish about the capabilities of scooters that anyone who actually has any experience knows what you say is wrong.

A small scooter is the best commuter - I'd go for an 80 / 100 myself

fourbanger

always fancied one of them but it does lack the practicality of most scooters

This is what the debate was the first place, not what is or isn't a moped.

I said

Do a CBT for £90 and get a 125cc bike, much safer than a small wheeled moped.

Because the OP is talking about a 50cc

To which PP said

That's mid information at best, poor advice would be a better description.

Please tell me
A) how many miles you've done on scooters (I've done a good 20000-30000 at the very least, and probably 150000 on motorbikes)
B) why a 125 bike is any safer based on your knowledge

I get sick of anti scooter bias by people that don't know a thing about them.

My reply

Because generally they accelerates quicker, stops quicker, have bigger wheels so are a lot more stable, they can go faster so you are not always being overtaken - which is dangerous.

TJ - You keep talking mate, no one is listening.

Oh look - a large wheeled scooter that is not a moped 🙂

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edit = yes - and your reply is wrong as has been pointed out

You keep using scooter and moped as synonyms - they are nbot

You are so thick its comical.

My reply would be wrong if the thread wasn't about a 50cc scooter, but it is, dont you get it.

Would anyone care to explain why being able to accelerate faster is safer?

Accelerating out of trouble is virtually impossible in my experience unless you have an extremely powerful car. Braking is much much safer.

Flow - just chill the fk out. If you disagree, state your case nicely. Otherwise f off. Simply dishing out abuse over a small technical point is not nice.

The term moped describes any low-powered motor driven cycle with an engine capacity not greater than 50 cc (3.1 cu in) and a maximum design speed of no more than 50 km/h (31 mph). Machines registered prior to 1 September 1977 as mopeds had to have pedals, but engine power was unrestricted, and many could top 50 mph (80 km/h) (most famously the Yamaha FS1-E or "Fizzy").
A provisional license, full motorcycle or car license is needed to operate a moped. An additional Compulsory Basic Training (CBT) certificate is also required to ride a moped on public roads, except for anyone who obtained their full car driving license before 1 February 2001. A provisional moped license may be obtained at the age of 16, whereas standard car and motorcycles licenses are only available at the age of 17. Provisional licenses require learner plates and expire after two years if the license holder has not passed a test, however it can be extended another two years by retaking the CBT.

From Wiki so it must be true.......

The last small scooters I rode were Vespas and Lambrettas in the period but from the tests in the scooter mags that I have read the 50s only seem to get about 45 mpg (no doubt due to being flat out everywhere with automatic transmission). I've an old C70 Honda and it gets 120 mpg which drops to about 90 on long periods on the open road at what I have been told by followers is 60 mph (don't ask). I would heartily recommend an old Honda stepthrough but the prices seem to be in collectors' item territory now.

hilldodger, you are wasting your breath mate

Flow - just chill the fk out. If you disagree, state your case nicely. Otherwise f off. Simply dishing out abuse over a small technical point is not nice.

Then don't come on here telling me in wrong with your nose between TJ's bum cheeks.

Absolutely correct hilldodger. That is the definition of a moped

flow - oh look - a moped - note the big wheels and its not a scooter - it is however a moped
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Look just admit it - mopeds and scooters are not the same thing, NOt all scooters have small wheels, not all mopeds are scooters, not all scooters are mopeds.

TJ - I'm going to tell you one last time.

Read this again and tell me where you have gone wrong, I have even highlighted it for you.

Do a CBT for £90 and get a 125cc bike, much safer than a [b]small wheeled moped.[/b]

[b]Because the OP is talking about a 50cc scooter[/b]

To which PP said

That's mid information at best, poor advice would be a better description.
Please tell me
A) how many miles you've done on scooters (I've done a good 20000-30000 at the very least, and probably 150000 on motorbikes)
B) why a 125 bike is any safer based on your knowledge

I get sick of anti scooter bias by people that don't know a thing about them.

Because generally they accelerates quicker, stops quicker, have bigger wheels so are a lot more stable, they can go faster so you are not always being overtaken - which is dangerous.

YOu can rant and shout and stamp your little feet all you want - you are still wrong.

Scooters are not the same as mopeds although ignorant people do use the two words as synonyms.

Not all scooters have small wheels, not all scooters are mopeds, not all mopeds are scooters and what you said about riding scooters is wrong they are not unsafe and unstable nor do they have poor brakes

You're both tee-wats

🙂

My good lady is looking for a...hmm? chooses words carefuly...a bike with an engine. And reading (some) of the information on here it would seem that she should have something with a bit more than 50cc as she does need to go uphills to get to her place of work.
more googling to be done ❓

Bloody hell that was a slanging match!

To the op, do the CBT, it's worthwhile knowing what your doing and may well save you from a few painfull/expensive trips down the road/to the hospital/under a buss.

I'd get a 125 anything, MPG is still 100+, more power, etc etc etc. Scooters make better commuters as even in torrential rain your legs stay dry and out of the wind. Bikes handle better, so if your commute involves B-roads that might be a consideration.

Once again, I'd do a CBT, it's always the ones who 'don't need to be there' who fail/fall off/etc.

white101

Do cbt, get 125cc scoot.

If test not passed in 2 years, redo cbt.

white - small scooter would be ideal for a commuter - insurance can be expensive and so is getting the skills and the kit to be safe