[Closed] Oscar gets bail, but......

but...he's not allowed to drink.

I'd be gagging for a beer after shooting my girlfriend and the whole court and media circus.

take away his blades i say, that'll make sure he'll not be doing a runner. my guess is he'll top himself within a week. as guilty as oj simpson

He was also quite critical of the prosecution.

No chance spudnick. Guilty, yes, but also mentally strong. We might see his crocodile tears again, but he'll be plotting the brand Pistorious comeback even as we speak.

2 stumps and bail? I bet he is planning a career in cricket!

as guilty as oj simpson

He shot another person. Thats a given. Latter is to prove whether it was mistaken or not.

But he gets bail.

Wtf.

So at this stage the court dont find him a risk to the SA general public?

In a potential murder case they released the defendant on bail.

[quote=peterfile said]but...he's not allowed to drink.

<insert legless joke here>

<insert legless joke here>

In a potential murder case they released the defendant on bail.

I was more confused by that police officer facing seven counts of murder who was in charge of this case.

Surprised that they gave him bail tbh.

Didn't think that he'd have a leg to stand on...

Dont think any of this will feature in a South African tourism campaign... 'come to Sooth Ifr'eekar eets sayfth'

He shot another person. Thats a given. Latter is to prove whether it was mistaken or not.

Even if it was a mistake shooting someone unarmed blind through a door isn't really self-defence IMO.

Agree. Wonder if a poor black guy with no lower legs would have made bail? Even in SA money/fame talks?

Unless it was a burglar of course grum. In which case, y'know, anything goes. 😉

Preety sure i would have checked if the missues was in bed before shooting into the ensuite or perhaps have even called out given I was holding a gun.

Good shot though to get them through the door..its like he knew where they were

Odd one I guess only he knows but I cannot see why you would not check the bed/look or speak tbh

Maybe the extra Testosterone made him a wee bit angry?

You mean the testosterone that wasn't there?

Dont think any of this will feature in a South African tourism campaign... 'come to Sooth Ifr'eekar eets sayfth'

Preety sure i would have checked if the missues was in bed before shooting into the ensuite or perhaps have even called out given I was holding a gun.

Good shot though to get them through the door..its like he knew where they were

Odd one I guess only he knows but I cannot see why you would not check the bed/look or speak tbh

Exactly. Likewise the judge at the bail hearing thought exactly the same thing.... But still awarded bail.

Preety sure i would have checked if the missues was in bed before shooting

Aye, it would save on getting out of bed to shoot her

hora - Member

Maybe the extra Testosterone made him a wee bit angry?

Nah, it was the steroids that made him angry. No wait, there weren't any steroids. In that case it was testosterone. No wait...

It's a bizarre case. The ballistics side interests me- why can't they disprove his claim to have not been wearing his prosthetics? The police claimed that the shots were fired downwards, ie from standing height but they can't provide any evidence for that, and that's pretty elemental stuff. Considering they're not above just inventing stuff that suits their case, it seems implausible that they wouldn't have pursued that as far as possible if it supported their argument, so maybe the lack of analysis points to a route they didn't want to investigate...

No clue if innocent or not- bet he gets found innocent though.

Junkyard + 1
If you were in bed with (even if you had gone out to the balcony) your partner would you not consult with them first if you thought you had heard someone about whether to shoot through the bathroom door if you were holding a gun.
It is of course different I am sure in South Africa but I am struggling to get my head round it.
I am sure that the answer is more guns.

I am sure that the answer is more guns.

I'm sure you mean more [i]good guys[/i] with guns.

Good shot though to get them through the door..its like he knew where they were

Have you seen the schematic of the bedroom! I thought the same until I saw it, the toilet was basically a cubicle within the en suite, any shots fired through the door would have done well to miss someone

UK...imagine man beats his wife over the head three tines with a clawhammer. Claims it was dark, thought wife was in bed and it was a burgulary.

It could literally be fear/spur of moment tragic mistake but...would you grant bail?

It's a bizarre case. The ballistics side interests me- why can't they disprove his claim to have not been wearing his prosthetics?...they can't provide any evidence for that, and that's pretty elemental stuff.

My neighbours daughter lived in Pretoria in one of those gated compounds. She was burgled, her and her husband were tied up at gun point, they threatened to chop off her finger to get the wedding ring, her house was cleared out. The police reckoned they were lucky not to have been killed to stop them identifying the burglars. They also pretty much told her that if she had not been so fat she probably would have got raped as well.

My parents also know people who lived in sa and there tales of paranoia are pretty crazy for someone living in the uk but no doubt had some solid reason behind them.

Can't say I find it so easy to come to the conclusion that he is guilty of premeditated murder when the context in which it happened is so messed up.

Re bail, as the judge said: no flight risk, no possibility of tampering with evidence or witnesses, so what's the point of locking him up until he is found guilty.

So knowing all this how many violent intruders in SA do you know that would break in and admittely hide in a locked small toilet?

So knowing all this how many violent intruders in SA do you know that would break in and admittely hide in a locked small toilet?

I think the paranoia bit covers this.

When will the 'Oscar's a Good Guy' PR campaign begin? I'm betting they'll start it ASAP, the trial just seems too far away and I can't imagine they'll want to leave public opinion alone for that long...

So knowing all this how many violent intruders in SA do you know that would break in and admittely hide in a locked small toilet?

A burglar that was disturbed might hide in the bathroom next to the window they had just crawled in, sure.

Having not seen ANY of the evidence and being a lounge bar juror, I can believe that the victim was murdered by her boyfriend/partner (isn't that how most murdered women are killed?)... but that's a long way from beyond reasonable doubt.

konabunny - Member

It's just a bail hearing, it's not the time to present full evidence.

I appreciate that but they made the claim with seemingly nothing to back it- and it's the sort of thing that ought to be pretty unequivocal.

So you fill a woman full of holes and get to sleep in freedom.

The OJ crime scene pic's were hideous.

He was woken up by what he thought was a burglar, he located and picked up a 9mm pistol, he moved into position to shoot and then took four shots at the toilet door.

And at no point in the minutes leading up to the shots did he speak to his girlfriend?

Burglars in SA are an extremely nasty bunch, I have friends out there, so I know what has happened. But even so...

Guess we will never know what actually happened, there will be his story and there will be the prosecutions story, and one will win out over the other, but there is only one person who knows what REALLY happened.

neilm - Member

there is only one person who knows what REALLY happened.

Hora?

I now sing whilst using he bathroom at night (although that might give my wife a motive)

No you should sing whilst sitting inside the tiny locked toilet cubicle?

I just hope G4 aren't part of the justice system out there

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/29/g4s-staff-sacked-tagging-false-leg

Even over here in SA where OP is considered a national hero and where we have a pretty good appreciation of the whole "burglar in the nght" scenario, the defence story is still considered to be utter nonsense.

OP has a history of violence, and I believe he was denied the license to own a gun because he failed the compulsory psychological test you have to pass over here to own one.

I suspect the result of the test went along the lines of "for the safety of himself and those around him, OP should not be allowed to own a gun because he suffers from neuroticism and has aggressive tendancies . . . "

I don't see the bail as a big issue. suspected murderers are often released on bail in the UK.

I'm actually more concerned by offenders with numerous convictions for violence getting bail and killing whilst on bail than one off (alleged) murderers getting bail. I can't recall any instances of alleged murderers with no previous convictions killing whilst on bail.

just under half of all those charged with murder in 2007 were on bail for other offences.

http://ukcommentators.blogspot.co.uk/2008/04/your-79-on-bail-murderers-minimum.html

I was in Johannesburg when it happened. I met someone who said she knew him and she said he has a nasty streak as well as an obsession with guns. Others reckoned it was a 'royd rage. In most of the meetings I attended there was so much discussion about it that I was only able to get in a couple of horse burger jokes.... shame.

Is the Judge going to be on homocide charge next?!! Now the Brother..

As long as he get Mr Cochran he'll be ok...

Hey Globalti - I'm just outside Jo'burg. Let me know next time you're over and I'll take you for a ride!

My mate has a bike shop so we can always borrow you a bike 🙂

I reckon he will kill himself while he's out on bail, never will know the truth.

It's pointless speculating on the case based on what would happen in the UK, two completely different countries.

Regardless of anything else, it's not unusual for people on murder charges to get bailed in SA due to the overcrowding problems in prison and lengthy lag times for cases to get to court.

[img] [/img]

well, i've said it before but i'll say it again....

deminished responsibility. he was legless at the time.

although the prosecution reckons he doesn't have a leg to stand on....