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Its not unclear, in fact its perfectly clear that they said he said it then they said he did not as ben said
Who are quoting here Junkyard?
It is a FTFY to ninfan
anyway we get to discuss Obama now and I for one cannot wait.
Ah good, for a minute I thought it was
clearly a distortion to do this
but now I understand. 😛
Actually Junkers, just for you I met another Scot the other day and asked him yes or no, and he replied no but his name was Maitland and he said his family were instrumental in bringing the union together in the first place. Or he was being sarcastic.
Any of you Scots recognise the name Viscount Maitland that he mentioned?
My history is terrible in such matters. 😳
Maybe you could ask Obama? He's started commenting apparently.
Obama believes the UK is better together. Does anyone worth mentioning actually support separation?
Members of the Scottish electorate?
Not all of them, clearly.
As far as the subject is concerned,Tunnock McNulty fae the Carlton is more important than you or Obama.
fasternotfatter - Member
Obama believes the UK is better together. Does anyone worth mentioning actually support separation?
We are waiting for Justin Bieber to chime in...
Obama believes the UK is better together. Does anyone worth mentioning actually support separation?
As one of probably a small number of Scottish/American dual nationals on here, I'd like to tell Mr Obama to mind his own business.
Good to see the UK government hasn't changed - they tried to get Putin to come out against independence and failed, but Obama's scripted statement shows he was more receptive.
Oh, and it was definitely scripted - within two hours there were official Better Together leaflets with a doctored "Hope" poster being handed out in Sauchiehall Street.
As the only No voter on here, I don't mind Obama having an opinion. Why are Yes supporters keen to tell us about all the people and groups that support their cause, yet anyone from outside showing support for the UK is told to shut up?
Yes, I don't know why some Yes people go on about which celebrities support independence - perhaps the same reason No roped in Obama, some people do what famous people tell them to.
bencooper - Member
As one of probably a small number of Scottish/American dual nationals on here, I'd like to tell Mr Obama to mind his own business.
I think we'll find Obama would have said that it was up to the Scots to decide.
but Obama's scripted statement shows he was more receptive.Oh, and it was definitely scripted
Any real proof of that Ben? I didn't think so. It just goes to show being a nat means you don't have a very close relationship with reality. 😆
bencooper - MemberYes, I don't know why some Yes people go on about which celebrities support independence - perhaps the same reason No roped in Obama, some people do what famous people tell them to.
I just read the BBC report and what he said seemed perfectly reasonable, you ranting loony! 😆
The list gets longer still.....
What an amazing ability to unite so many divergent people to one cause. After the failure, maybe Austerity Alex can take a much wider global role uniting previously waring parties, He seems to be an expert. He could join Tony Bliar.
piemonster - Member
Members of the Scottish electorate?Not all of them, clearly.
Fortunately not, for all our sakes.
Why are Yes supporters keen to tell us about all the people and groups that support their cause, yet anyone from outside showing support for the UK is told to shut up?
Probably for the same reasons that Bettertogether supporters tell anyone outside Scotland who speaks in support of independence to shut up.
Gordimhor I would like to apologise on behalf of the one unionist that told Sean Connery to keep his nose out of it. Let's face it the separatist movement has not had any support outside of Scotland apart from him.
fasternotfatter - Member
...Let's face it the separatist movement has not had any support outside of Scotland apart from him.
We don't need it. Only people who live here get to vote.
But I am sure if we asked that nice Mr Putin, he would put in a good word. He seems keen on referendums.
FasternotFatter
you don't have a very close relationship with reality. 😆
Any real proof of that Ben? I didn't think so. It just goes to show being a nat means you don't have a very close relationship with reality.
Not yet - proof will emerge I'm sure. It was suggested on Today on Radio 4, it's also been suggested by various other political journalists, and it's strongly hinted at by the fact that, in 2 hours, Better Together managed to mock up a leaflet, have it printed, and distribute it on the streets.
It was suggested on Today on Radio 4
Well that's got to be on par with the Guardian mentioning it. Oh ye of little faith
The FT's chief foreign affairs correspondent:
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By 3.25pm, Better Together had mocked up their poster - when was the press conference?
Well combined with your strong hints and suggestions it looks like you have found definite proof. But on closer investigation it turns out the FT's foreign affairs correspondent [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_Rachman ]Gideon Rachman[/url] started his career at BBC news. So naturally he will be biased and we will have to ignore anything he says. 😆
Wow, so you're saying that the Prime minister of the United Kingdom has enough respect over the pond that he can get the most powerful man on earth to speak out in his favour on domestic issues like Scotland and the EU?
Its just a few months ago the Nationalists were telling us how the UK was a fading power with delusions of grandeur and an inability to come to terms with losing our status on a world stage 😆
3.04pm - Obama answers a question about Scottish independence.*
3.25pm - Better Together have sourced, mocked up, approved and published a poster about it.
That's 21 minutes. There's no way they didn't know in advance.
* tin foil hat time - from a BBC journalist 😉
There's no way they didn't know in advance.
Which proves exactly what.....that Obama wants to do favours for Better Together ?
Is that what you're trying to say ?
That the UK government (which was, you remember, meant to be staying out of this referendum) has been asking foreign countries on the quiet to support the No campaign.
I see, so Obama merely said what the British Prime Minister told him to say.
Unfortunately though Better Together blew the cunning and devious plan by not waiting anymore than 21 minutes - how very silly of them !
So what other "foreign countries" do you think the British government has been asking on the quiet to support the No campaign ?
which was, you remember, meant to be staying out of this referendum
Eh? thats quite clearly governed by S29 of the Edinburgh agreement, and I think you'll find that the UK govt are not in breach of it 8)
Obama merely said what the British Prime Minister told him to say.
Thats something isn't it - the US president at his beck and call. so much for Little England eh Ben?
Acording to this man the UK government asked for his input in January
[url= http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/01/putins-strange-intervention-over-scottish-independence ]The Spectator[/url]
Ninfan Obama really only wants a place to rest his weary warheads.
[quote=Sir BS ]independence for Scotland would mean: "America has [s]two great[/s] [b]one great and one insignificant[/b] friends and allies here rather than one"
FTFH
Probably for the same reasons that Bettertogether supporters tell anyone outside Scotland who speaks in support of independence to shut up.
The fact is that yes campaigners get more abuse. But since it is mostly our colonial masters (see aracer,we can do tedious insults as well) posting on here,that is something that needs to be overlooked. But you are a touchy lot,despite trying to reflect that on to us. As an example look what happened to Andy Murray when he dared just to suggest he didn't support Engerland,Engerland at the football.
"maybe Austerity Alex can take a much wider global role uniting previously waring parties, He seems to be an expert. He could join Tony Bliar."
Oh, God, using these stupid nicknames makes you look like such a tiresome pillock.
The fact is that yes campaigners get more abuse
In fact the No campaigners get such little abuse they're forced to make it up:
Eh? thats quite clearly governed by S29 of the Edinburgh agreement, and I think you'll find that the UK govt are not in breach of it
David Cameron has repeatedly said that it's a matter for the people of Scotland to decide - that's his excuse for not having a debate with Alex Salmond.
Though of course you're right - the No campaign is based south of the border:
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Oh, so now it [b]is[/b] an England V Scotland thing after all 🙄
What exactly is the problem with the campaign to protect the union of Great Britain being registered where the elected Parliament of Great Britain is held?
[i]That the United Kingdom of Great Britain be Represented by one and the same Parliament to be stiled the Parliament of Great Britain[/i]
Oh, good grief - stop conflating English-based institutions with the people of England.
bencooper - Member
Oh, good grief - stop conflating English-based institutions with the people of England.
Makes it easier for him to handle.
Well, maybe when [b]you[/b] stop conflating Scottish-based institutions with the people of Scotland!
Because what exactly [u]is[/u] the relevance of where the No campaign is registered, given over 50% of the Scottish Electorate support it?
Does it make them less Scottish than the Yes supporters Ben?
Err Bens graphic clearly shows that the Better Together office is in Glasgow and wiki says that its registered hq is in Edinburgh both of which are in still in Scotland at the moment ...unless Ninfan knows otherwise.
look what happened to Andy Murray when he dared just to suggest he didn't support Engerland,Engerland at the football.
Whilst i agree with your point the exampl eis incorrect
He was having banter with Tim and the presenter who jokingly asked him who he was supporting - taking the piss because scotland were not at the world cup - and he jokingly relpied with anyone but england
He never said it but the reaction - considering preety much everyone in england calls an athlete english[ say wiggo] and someone not english [ say Cav or millar] british.
What exactly is the problem with the campaign to protect the union of Great Britain being registered where the elected Parliament of Great Britain is held?
That parliament and nation is not voting is the problem , how did you miss that ?
Imagine it was in the UK leaving the EU do you really think having the pro group registered in Brussels would not be a bot of an own goal?
Would it help?
Would it make the EU look like it interfered less ?
Would UKIP make some mileage out of it
Its not a huge deal but it is not hard to see that it is a bit of an own goal.
[quote=duckman ]But since it is mostly our colonial masters (see aracer,we can do tedious insults as well)
You as well as JY?
bencooper - Member
Though of course you're right - the No campaign is based south of the border:
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Wings is based in Scotland is it?
Imagine it was in the UK leaving the EU do you really think having the pro group registered in Brussels would not be a bot of an own goal?
Would it help?
Would it make the EU look like it interfered less ?
Would UKIP make some mileage out of it
Its not a huge deal but it is not hard to see that it is a bit of an own goal.
Just a personal viewpoint here. For me I'd see the EU in a better light if there was more input from the rEU into the UK arena as to the benefits of EU membership, both for the UK and the rEU.
They could call it 'mieux ensemble' or something.
Genuinely though, I wouldn't have a problem with Brussels campaigning for the UK to remain in the EU.
piemonster - Member
...Genuinely though, I wouldn't have a problem with Brussels campaigning for the UK to remain in the EU.
And if they controlled all the media and fed you lies, half-truths, and gross misrepresentations, would that be no problem?
And if they controlled all the media and fed you lies, half-truths, and gross misrepresentations, would that be no problem?
Different question. Different answer.
Genuinely though, I wouldn't have a problem with Brussels campaigning for the UK to remain in the EU.
Most Europeans I know are of the opinion that the UK should stop whining or **** off.
But maybe that's just the people I know 😉
😀
Most Europeans I know aren't that bothered either way. Unless there British(insert preferred choice here) and have forgotten they're European.
Funny Ben, the Europeans I know have gone from 'why does the British not want to join the Euro' a few years ago to 'my god, we should have listened to the British'
You as well as JY?
You flirting with straw men again 😉
Really not sure what you are accusing me off tbh
I dont think scotland is under the yoke of imperialism but it suffers as it population is so small compared to England hence they get a Tory [led] govt.
I wouldn't have a problem with Brussels campaigning for the UK to remain in the EU
Do you think it would
1) strengthen the no vote and bee seen as interference
2) be welcomed as a positive thing
TBH i dont actually disagree they should publicise the good they do but it would not help win an EU vote IMHO
if they controlled all the media and fed you lies, half-truths, and gross misrepresentations, would that be no problem?
You are describing our current tabloid media and what they do re the EU currently so it is never ever goign to happen
Imagine doing an analysis of pro EU stories and anti EU stories. i would be surprised if it was less than 100-1 tbh
So we're in agreement that Scotland should be independent? Excellent 😀
It really is fascinating reading your anecdotal evidence about european views whilst criticizing AS reports for inaccuracies
Perhaps AS should just have said everyone i asked said we would be fine 😛
You are going to claim he did now arent you....I walked into that one DOH
@ben - if the SNP campaign was designed to make us all fed up with Scotland then it has succeeded. As I've always said it's your choice I just can't bear the thought of a no vote followed by years more of this same stuff.
1) strengthen the no vote and bee seen as interference
2) be welcomed as a positive thing
TBH i dont actually disagree they should publicise the good they do but it would not help win an EU vote IMHO
I think it would depend more on the manner of any campaign than anything else.
If they managed to be honest and decent about it.....
Most Europeans I know are of the opinion that the UK should stop whining or **** off.
That's surprising considering how many EU citizens choose to live in the UK. And it's not just EU citizens from "poor" countries, such as the half a million Poles, but also the over a quarter of a million Germans that live in the UK.
the SNP campaign was designed to make us all fed up with Scotland then it has succeeded.
How on earth can you speak for us all?
And are you claiming there is unanimity on this thread?
...and it wasn't an especially funny joke even the first time around 😉
PSA More or less Radio 4 @ 4 30 are looking at the economic claims
If you do not know they do analysis of stats claims in the media in a fairly unbiased way
About as definitive as we will ever get it.
Should be interesting - will post up a pod cast afterwards for those that care about this
PSA More or less Radio 4 @ 4 30 are looking at the economic claimsIf you do not know they do analysis of stats claims in the media in a fairly unbiased way
Surely it won't be "unbiased" ...... aren't the BBC supporting the No campaign ?
Surely it won't be "unbiased" ...... aren't the BBC supporting the No campaign ?
BBC Scotland certainly seems to be, Radio 4 should be a better shout.
Oh I see, there are different editorial policies for BBC Radio 4 and BBC Scotland. That makes sense.
[quote=Junkyard ]
You as well as JY?
You flirting with straw men again
Really not sure what you are accusing me off tbh
You need to check the post of mine just before duckman's one I quoted, which I assumed is the one where he's accusing me of a "tedious insult" - though TBH as there's only really one nickname I've been using on this thread I thought it might be obvious to you at least 😉
Ah yes sorry my bad as the kids say 😳
Duckman Lord Eck of BS was my joking name for AS as a pop at THM risible use of derogatory terms. He demoted him to a Sir but it is tongue in cheek usage only.
Apologies for not getting it.
Lego asks government to remove Scottish independence images
😀
I give it two days before it turns out that they didn't get permission from AP to use the Obama Hope poster.
The nats are now supported by Lego and Sean Connery. I am sure this extra support will sway many undecided voters to the separatists cause. Meanwhile the president of the united states has provided his backing to the UK.
Those Danish have got an interesting take on copyright law... Next thing they'll be saying you can't take a photo of a bacon buttie without their permission 😉
I thought the Lego characters ads were funny. Didn't agree with the sentiment though. 🙂
Oh I see, there are different editorial policies for BBC Radio 4 and BBC Scotland. That makes sense.
Not that hard to fathom. Different people in charge, different location, different audiences. Some of the output from bbc scotland is laughable when it comes to showing an agenda.
Different people in charge
So programe editors don't follow BBC editorial policy, they just decide for themselves what is best. And all the ones in Scotland have coincidentally decided to support the No campaign. That makes perfect sense.
JY; it was a reference to aracers changing of a post to bring out the same hackneyed "your nothing without us" jibe the more imperalisticly minded use to try and convince us of the folly of going alone.
Taking views on BBC neutrality or not on independence referndum aside, I am yet to discover what is so wrong with the BBC that iS will require a new national broadcaster?
That makes perfect sense.
Perhaps you could explain it all to the rest of us Ernie. Please
whatnobeer explains it. And as he points out, it's "Not that hard to fathom". Are you having difficulties?
I can understand whatnobeer no problem,although he puts it slightly stronger than I would.
Some of the output from bbc scotland is laughable when it comes to showing an agenda.
Where I said
. Imo BBC Scotland s claim to be impartial is on a very shoogly peg.
Perhaps you could explain your own view Ernie