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I thought this was quite good. 😀
[i]The real question is Will Scotland be better off as an independent country
The answer is ...[/i]
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2014/sep/17/scottish-referendum-explained-for-non-brits-video ]Video Guide to the Referendum[/url]
There was hardly any coverage on the BBC or Sky news at breakfast this morning but I'd expect round the clock coverage tonight
Rules don't permit the media debating on election day until the polls close
😆richc - Member
seosamh77 - Member
I hope you are joking,
Is this going to be covered all night like general elections are?But with far far less on which to report?
yes but with no exit polls and the result expected at Breakfast time
The official person [ dont know the term] refused to say when she had her breakfast [ her weak joke not mine]
If they are thinking of using helicopters to get the boxes to the main count at Ingliston then the result might well be delayed. The weather is very poor ATM.
EDIT although I would've thought they would only use then for the more remote areas.
bookies are never wrong
I already disproved that one above.
(yes I am happy to argue either side of this debate depending who's wrong)
That is some horrific abuse of Andy Murray, I won't link to it in case Grum suggests I am a racist/just out to portray unionists in a bad light. 10 hours to save THM's retirement plans,mind you, I bought a house as a fixer upper on Friday, maybe I should have waited....
Lots of complaints today, up here, from people feeling intimidated by gauntlets of Yes campaigners at the doors of polling stations. Don't think it was anything other than vigorous campaigning, but clearly upset some folk.
In other Scottish news, Glenfiddich 12 is £10 off in Coop just now, so I've done my bit for Scotland this evening.
People abusing Andy Murray are ****ing idiots.
People claiming one side or the other has a monopoly on idiots are also idiots.
HTH.
Yup, ****s on both sides. Bunch of fearty pussies on the no side 😛
Are you allowed to campaign on polling day in Scotland?
Saw Yes campaigners to day but no No ones, so I guess the answer is yes for yes, but no for No
That said at the Camanachd Cup Final the Yes people were at the gate handing out stuff and engaging with the public. No sign of No.
Onward and upward and in both Kirkwall and Stromness there were Yes shops with loads of posters and placards. No No stuff.
Back home and Yes are in the town centre and No are, well Nowhere
Not so much Better Together as Couldn't Be Arsed
The gaffer was well up to speed on the rules and it seems, with certain restrictions, you can. (I'm not so don't ask me what they are, I had much more interesting things to do today!)
There were people on both sides handing out leaflets at the entrances to the three polling stations I passed today, so probably yes
No exit polls though
I'm busy celebrating right now.
If all goes pear shaped tomorrow, at least I can say I celebrated the day when the people of Scotland could decide their country's fate.
So tomorrow I will either have the perfect hangover cure, or have a suitable frame of mind for the result. 🙂
Going to stop bang on 10:00pm.
Which ever way it goes tomorrow I hope Scotland can come out of this a better place. I have learned a lot about the UK as a result of following the referendum and I actually have grown to like the place even more. The UK really is an awesome diverse place and I think it would be a shame to break it up. Scotland has contributed a lot to the UK over the years and I am not just talking about oil and whisky. Commiserations to all those whose vote does not get them the result that they expect.
Must admit, I'm shitting myself here!
Aye, good luck Scotland - whatever happens.
It's like your team is in a cup final and you don't want to watch. I am nervous also. Headed out to relax on the bike tonight. Did not see a soul at Glentress. Back trying to relax with a home brew.
I like your comments fnf.
Must admit, I'm shitting myself here!
Unfortunate.
Did not see a soul at Glentress. Back trying to relax with a home brew.
You local?
Yes Peebles.
It's like your team is in a cup fina
It's like being on a team in the cup final, but sitting on the bench knowing you'll get one kick then being taken off, but the team you're playing against is the team you supported forever.
I'm in my 50's and have always voted but never been so nervey as tonight.
I wasn't even sure which way I was going to vote when I went to bed last night, so I don't think I'm going to miffed whichever way it goes.
Nervous wreck here too. I am proud of all who took part in this referendum today on both sides.Now to try and sleep, alarm set for 2am 😛
Yes Peebles
*makes note for future reference*
Sometimes head down to catch up with a friend based there. Might give you a nudge if your up for a pootle round the forest on the bikes.
No problem piemonster. Enjoy your evening. Whatever happens there sure is a sense of excitement and anticipation.
my boss amused me today...
he's decided not to vote, however 4 "friends" have "offered" to vote for him as there are no ID checks
he's said no fortunately, wonder how much of this is going on?
athgray - MemberYes Peebles.
Thought you'd had a last minute change of heart there Athgray. 😀
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Alea iacta est
Well that's it done then, one way or another, polls closed bring on the count!
Well, 10:00pm, that's it.
Now for the count...
Thank **** for that.
YouGov exit poll due at 2230hrs.
1,2,3,4,5, two sugars, oh ****, 1,2,3, no not a wafer a caramel log thanks, oh 1,2,3,........ this might take a while
Thought you'd had a last minute change of heart there Athgray.
Gordimhor that is quality. The first time I lol at this thread. No I have not had an epiphany.
YouGov exit poll due at 2230hrs.
Oh ****ing hell, more ****ing polls
there really is only one that counts
Lets hope they say 50/50 and then start a drum roll
YouGov #IndyRef prediction: YES 46%, NO 54% - y-g.co/1mjwlQz
says 54 - 46 with a 99 % chance of no.
What I predicted as well FWIW - not the 99% confidence bit mind.
63.217%
🙂
YouGov survey of voters previously polled shows support for No at 54%. Yes at 46%
So they only asked people that they already previously asked?
So they only asked people that they already previously asked?
From the Guardian:
Apparently it’s a poll of people in Scotland who have voted. It’s not what you would call a conventional exit poll, because YouGov did not poll people in person outside polling stations. Instead, it seems they questioned members of their internet panel who said they had cast a vote.
listening to kellner speaking about that poll just now, ignore, it's irrelevant.
its our last chance to criticise a poll so get in 😛
A poll taken by YouGov after people voted in the Scottish referendum predicts a victory for No by 54% to 46% for Yes. The survey involved 1,828 people after they voted today, together with the postal votes of 800 people, and was not a traditional exit poll.
Yeah basically it doesn't mean a lot
Phew, I nearly went to bed there! Another beer opened instead 😀
Saw Yes campaigners to day but no No ones, so I guess the answer is yes for yes, but no for No
Saw lots of No people out campaigning today.
My night is spoiled already,Jellybaby frickin Vine. 👿 shite.
As important as tonight is,I would rather stab myself in the eyes than watch that ****er.
In Edinburgh today there were loads of Catalan people milling around parliament square. No campaigners on GV bridge and yes on S Clerk st.
FFS its a No because drawing imaginary lines on a little Island is about as sensible as believing in fairies in the sky who write books.
It might have been about the campaigns. Yes was about passion and a belief that things can be better. No was about focus groups, meetings and inclusiveness, so by the time a decision's been made, the marketing people briefed and ... oh is that it all over already?
FFS its a No because drawing imaginary lines on a little Island is about as sensible as believing in fairies in the sky who write books.
..because there's no such thing as internatational borders anywhere else in the world, right?
Never understood why he uses Vine on the BBC / R2 and Kyle on ITV.
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Ok off to bed, alarm set for 4.30,I voted yes, wonder if I'll get my "new" country. Wonder if I'll get any sleep.
Big hug to everyone x
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Aye, all the best to everyone on here, even the xenophobes. Whatever the result, take care folks. I'm off to the lakes for a cross border raid weekend, I shall pillage your trails, and swallow your ales.... 😀
had a funny realization just now that the result I wanted was Yes, but for me to have been reluctantly taken along with it. however, as it's not me that would pay the price of the decision, I'm not so bothered.
Reading the BBC coverage it seems the Labour No's are quietly/nervously confident which is interesting. SNP talking about
In terms of what that means, politics has changed as a result of the referendum.
To me it means the numbers are sliding more to a no but anything could happen.
One aside
Welcome to the United States of Great Britain 🙁Conservative MP John Redwood tells the BBC's Andrew Neil at Westminster that, if there is a "No" victory, "every power that goes to Scotland must be matched by the same power coming to England".
If YouGov is right and it's a clear no then it'll be interesting to look at the age breakdown.
If yes was mainly younger voters and no was mainly older voters then all the Yes camp have to do is hold another referendum in 10 years time and there'll be a yes.
Although I still think it would be a good idea to actually agree with Westminster what's on offer before asking the people to make such a massive decision...
Reading the BBC coverage
Your first mistake. 😀
Just got in from a wee trip overseas to see the dreadful result - what were the R&A thinking?
Hopefully, the less important one has a better (together) result. Enjoy your hangovers everyone. Good night!
"every power that goes to Scotland must be matched by the same power coming to England".
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Although if 5 million Scots are entitled their own parliament then the English regions, representing a total of 50 million people, are entitled to theirs too - not just one English parliament in London.
Unfortunately the Tories won't like that idea and Labour have always been pisspoor on the need for an English parliament never mind English regional parliaments.
Edit : TBF Labour did give the North East the opportunity to move in that direction, so I'll correct myself on that last point.
what were the R&A thinking?
that it's the 21st century and it's time they woke up to that?
Nobeerinthefridge - Member
Reading the BBC coverage
Your first mistake.
Of course, which Yes! biased site should I be using 🙂
"every power that goes to Scotland must be matched by the same power coming to England".
All for that, but I can't see an independant England working out
Welcome to the United States of Great Britain
The American system is actually great. It's just the voters are a bunch of tools.
Accident on the Berridale Braes will delay arrival of Caithness votes by 1.5 - 2 hrs.
Really, multiple states all with the ability to set their own laws at times in conflict with a central government, different tax systems competing against each other? Living in a federal system here in Oz I see the disadvantages all the time, more duplication, more waste & less direction. If you give each region autonomy you need to give it enough powers to not just be a pointless set of elected officials with the power to do nothing - a glorified parish council. If you give them all the powers then it can all get messy as Yorkshire cuts 0.5% off corp tax but increases VAT by 1% whereas Lancs does the opposite and the speed limit changes between England & Wales along with a few other things that seem popular locally.
Really, multiple states all with the ability to set their own laws at times in conflict with a central government, different tax systems competing against each other? Living in a federal system here in Oz I see the disadvantages all the time, more duplication, more waste & less direction. If you give each region autonomy you need to give it enough powers to not just be a pointless set of elected officials with the power to do nothing - a glorified parish council. If you give them all the powers then it can all get messy as Yorkshire cuts 0.5% off corp tax but increases VAT by 1% whereas Lancs does the opposite and the speed limit changes between England & Wales along with a few other things that seem popular locally.
The counter argument to that is that central government doesn't always know what's best for territory on the periphery of it's locus of control.
Separation of powers also makes it harder for bad laws to be passed and for one man to take us all to war.
It's about time legislation was harder to pass, so we get some legislative and policy stability for once. Elected Lords with more powers and an English Parliament please. With a smaller Westminster dealing with national policy only.
Accident on the Berridale Braes will delay arrival of Caithness votes by 1.5 - 2 hrs.
Tsk,bloody sheep on the road again 🙂
Most advanced democracies now have regional assemblies. Even France which once epitomised napoleonic centralised bureaucracy.
In some cases that is right Tom, but the UK population is give or take the same as California & Texas added together, geographically everything is actually next door to each other and there is already a huge amount of regional government.
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The UK barely covers the slightly populated bit of Western Australia.
You can't really compare Europe to the outback though can you Mike? 🙂
Size isn't everything,it's all about content 😉
he speed limit changes between England & Wales along with a few other things that seem popular locally.
I understand Wales are considering a law that you have to wait your turn in the queue when overtaking
Signed up to Twitter tonight to follow this and found this on the Sky News feed. Guess we can tell which way it's going to go
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Absolutely, there are huge regional differences across places like the US and Australia, in reality there are not that many across the UK (I've lived in a fair few parts of it) I'm all for getting the right things done for the right areas, but adding another level of politics and electioneering to the mix doesn't make sense to me. For all the we can vote for who we want stuff the same tricks will be pulled, the same broken promises and unfunded ideas run out to get elected. Yes you can feel happy knowing you are being screwed over by one of your own but then separate regions all pulling against each other commissioning the same stuff differently, not joining up or playing ball on serious things like roads & rail and putting being reelected locally ahead of what is right for the nation as a whole.