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Oops..... Currently ( annoyingly ) on 9 points... The oldest dated 22/5/2011 ........ But on 11/5/2014 got snapped again into a temp speed limit in road works......
So question is....... Between 11th and 22nd I would have 12 points....... But the oldest then drop off..... So is it the date of the offence or the date of submitting fixed penalty ????. Work for myself and could really do without a ban ! ,
What's the situation here ?
[i]What's the situation here ? [/i]
you're a fool?
expect plenty of sanctimony and scorn mixed with a little advice....
Hopefully you'll get a ban.
Date of offence.
Id say the situation is like this.
You are about to get royally flamed by this lot!!!
Already happening...
[i]What's the situation here ?[/i]
You need to improve your observational skills when behind the wheel
It has to be date of offence, I imagine.
What's the situation here ?
You don't learn from your mistakes, and want the rules bending as your special?
All wise words !
*brews up*
If you cry and Whinge to the court about needing to drive for work/not being able to survive without driving they'll let you keep doing it.
Despite being crap at it. Apparently.
It's definitely the date of the offence.
I'd be expecting to either lose my licence OR if you can plead your case that a licence is ESSENTIAL for your work you might get a big fine.
Or are you Chris Huhne and have an obliging wife? 😉
Sell your audi and get something that doesn't go as fast
If you reach 12 points within 3 years you will get a mandatory totting ban of 6 months unless you can persuade the magistrate that the impact of a ban will cause exceptional hardship to others, it's supposed to have a severe effect on you, that's the whole point. The fact that you'd only have 12 points for 11 days is irrelevant.
You'll be required to attend court if a ban is possible (which it is in this case).
If you decide to throw yourself on the mercy of the bench expect any claims that others will be severely impacted examined very closely and interrogated a lot more than you might expect.
Sorry if this seems a bit blunt but AKAIK this is the situation.
IANAL
If driving is your livelihood I think you will not get a ban but you will get a fine plus your insurance premium will go through the roof if I am not mistaken.
Get a Sat Nav as it will give you plenty of warning regarding speed limit even if you miss them or have not seen them. Mine would warn me with annoying alarm if I am about 4 - 5mph over the limit.
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Unlucky but as you"ll have 12pnts within 3yrs even for a few days your looking at a 6mth ban. If your licence is really important you can go to court and make a claim for exceptional hardship. If the court accepts it they might consider another penalty. Fine or a shorter ban maybe. You can go to court and make this plea yourself but I'd recommend an experienced traffic lawyer. I did this myself and was successful, but after the fine court costs and £900 legal fees I didn't feel I got away with it. Really woke me up realised I'd been coasting mentally.
Am I asking for anything special ? . No.
Just asking for clarification of dates used .... :-
I have a premonition you're gonna be screw... Oh hang on, wrong thread!
taxi25 - MemberI did this myself and was successful, but after the fine court costs and £900 legal fees I didn't feel I got away with it.
What's the amount of fine?
What's the amount of court costs?
If I may ask ...
😯
Just do what a politician would do.
I think the fine reflected the offence and didn't take into account my other points. It was £60 with £20 v/s and £20 costs, less than what the prosecution asked for. I'd got caught at 35mph by a unmaned temporary camera through some road works in the early hours. No excuses I made a mistake ( a few actually )
I'll take some points for you (I need a 150mm 1 1/8th fork, preferably revs in black) 😉
My advice ......... Don't speed.
Sorry but it's really simple.
The proliference of cameras etc these days makes it so easy to be caught .... Doesn't mean you drive like an idiot or dangerously ! .... I drive typically 35-40,000 miles a year ... No accidents or insurance claims in 30 years , so obviously don't drive like a loon !
The 12 points in 3 years is possibly a bit outdated in some ways .
The last offence was a camera in a temporary road works(empty of workers) on a dual carriageway at 3 a.m. , 46 in a temp 40. .... Annoyingly having been just passed by a car doing double the speed with one headlight lol.....
It's a bit frustrating ! Yes for sure I sped.... But definitely need to learn from driving into empty unoccupied road works lol....
It's not frustrating at all. You broke the law and now you're paying for it.
The last offence was a camera in a temporary road works(empty of workers) on a dual carriageway at 3 a.m. , 46 in a temp 40. .... Annoyingly having been just passed by a car doing double the speed with one headlight lol.....
Posting and driving will get you more points
See that thing that looks like a clock on your dashboard? It tells you how fast you are going. See the little round signs with numbers in..?
I guess not, in your case 🙂
"[i]The proliference of cameras etc these days makes it so easy to be caught[/i]"
Yet the proliferation of speedometers these days makes it so easy not to be caught.
For speeding and most other offences it's from date of offence. Some drink/drugs/dangerous/causing death offenses it is from the date of conviction.
Yes you can be disqualified under the totting-up procedure, but from my experience it is becoming less likely if you can show you cover a large amount of annual mileage and require to drive a vehicle to provide income to support dependents. Say sorry, show you have taken steps to prevent happening again and ask for alternative punishment in way of a fine so that the punishment is on you, not others and you should be ok.
The proliference of cameras etc these days makes it so easy to be caught ..
Its easy to get caught, its easy to get your cock stuck in your zip, but its not difficult to not get caught. Most people manage to not get caught even once in their whole driving career.
Have you done a speed awareness course in the last 3 years?
If not were you under the limit that Makes you eligible for a course? If so buy a lottery ticket and take the speed course.
I think it's fair to say if you're on 9 points you really should be driving like a nun.........
Have you done a speed awareness course in the last 3 years?
If not were you under the limit that Makes you eligible for a course? If so buy a lottery ticket and take the speed course.
having points makes you ineligible for the speed awareness courses
taxi25 - MemberI think the fine reflected the offence and didn't take into account my other points. It was £60 with £20 v/s and £20 costs, less than what the prosecution asked for. I'd got caught at 35mph by a unmaned temporary camera through some road works in the early hours. No excuses I made a mistake ( a few actually )
They got a camera at unmaned temporary road works! Crikey. 😯
I am still trying to determine if my speedometre is accurate or my sat nav. Think when my speedometre is faster while sat nav is slower but I would go for the speedometre if I feel that cameras are around otherwise I would stick with the sat nav speed to avoid loud warning alarm.
Thats a good point, if its more than 3yrs since you've done a speed awareness course they might offer you one. VV lucky if they do.
In general speedometers will read slightly higher than actual road speed.
However, cameras will only trigger over a certain slightly-higher speed in any case, so you have a little leeway. This means your actual road speed can vary slightly without being penalised. That means you don't have to be staring at your speedo as you are driving along "just in case". And if you can't control your speed to +/- 5mph of the speed limit without looking at your speedo constantly then you need to pay a bit more attention!
In general speedometers will read slightly higher than actual road speed.
However, cameras will only trigger over a certain slightly-higher speed in any case, so you have a little leeway. This means your actual road speed can vary slightly without being penalised. That means you don't have to be staring at your speedo as you are driving along "just in case". And if you can't control your speed to +/- 5mph of the speed limit without looking at your speedo constantly then you need to pay a bit more attention!
There are a number of areas that are moving to zero-tolerance and issuing tickets for anything over the limit. Devon an Cornwall is one of these, as is South Wales.
i learnt this on a speed awareness course...
"having points makes you ineligible for the speed awareness courses
Sadly don't think so... I'm pretty sure as long as you haven't done a SAW in the previous 3 years it doesn't matter how many points you have
I too have no sympathy for OP, if there are signs warning off potential of speed cameras or average speed cameras and you speed as a matter of your daily driving you need to stick to the speed limits where posted from now on or drive with more common sense having already gained points through speeding.....vans and cars in lay-bys , on over bridges, white markings on the road surface and counties that use aircraft, and those big yellow painted boxes and gantries with cameras on!
The course is an alternative to prosecution, for all speed bands and classes of vehicle speeds except 20 mph zones. Previous driving history will not be taken into account when making this offer.
there you go, learn something new everyday.
and they can offer it up to 10%+6 over the limit. you might be lucky....
The last offence was a camera in a temporary road works(empty of workers) on a dual carriageway at 3 a.m. , 46 in a temp 40. .... Annoyingly having been just passed by a car doing double the speed with one headlight lol.....
Then plenty of opportunity to spot the camera
Most people speed, in that respect you are no different to anyone else. [u]But[/u] you must have pretty poor observational skills to keep missing the cameras. That is quite worrying.
After 6 points most people would be driving like a nun, by 9 I would be driving like an undertaker....
+1 for speed awareness course.
scotroutes - MemberIn general speedometers will read slightly higher than actual road speed.
However, cameras will only trigger over a certain slightly-higher speed in any case, so you have a little leeway. This means your actual road speed can vary slightly without being penalised. That means you don't have to be staring at your speedo as you are driving along "just in case". And if you can't control your speed to +/- 5mph of the speed limit without looking at your speedo constantly then you need to pay a bit more attention!
Damn! My sat nav is 35mph when my speedo is indicating 30mph.
I usually drive within the sat nav and speedo range but just want to be absolutely sure because it will be too late if I get a ticket.
Still trying to drive within the limit of +/- 5mph without looking at speedo or sat nav. aarrggghhh ... 😐
jam bo - Member
There are a number of areas that are moving to zero-tolerance and issuing tickets for anything over the limit. Devon an Cornwall is one of these, as is South Wales.
Yes, that is my concerned because with a zero-tolerance I would be in trouble if I drive within +/- 5mph.
I think there are plenty of cameras already in the North East ... 😯
Better call Saul.
Its easy to get caught, its easy to get your cock stuck in your zip,
That made me lol!
If you've failed to spot the speed cameras so many times you can't be a safe driver. Everybody breaks the speed limit but most people read traffic signs including those little camera pictures that warn you there may be cameras around.
That made me lol!
Whatever gets you off 🙂
How does zero tolerance work when we're all driving around with uncalibrated speedos? I thought the ACPO guidline was 10% + 6mph. As for the OP, if you don't get offered a SA course, go to court, get a local solicitor, prepare a credible mitigation statement, plead exceptional hardship and be contrite. Then try and control yourself until it's a bit less critical. I used to do ~60k a year so know how it can be... No excuse but understandable.
Each set of points lasts 4 years and you get a ban if you get 12 points in 3 years.
How does zero tolerance work when we're all driving around with uncalibrated speedos?
They're not uncaliberated, they over-report your speed, so at whatever speed you think you're driving you're really going a tad slower. Normally a camera gives you a certain amount of grace, but you've already got that buffer from the speedo. So its not really zero tolerance, its just half the tolerance.
The 12 points in 3 years is possibly a bit outdated in some ways .
I agree it needs to be much tighter. As for the "Ooh! Banning me is going to make others suffer" tough you should have thought of that before speeding putting others at risk who may have suffered because of your speeding.
And yes I have been caught and it was my own stupid fault so tool the points and paid the fine.
Topical news story [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27587130 ]Motorist on M25 caught driving at 149mph[/url]
Has got me wondering, how much faster than the speed limit would one need to be travelling at to not get snapped? 😉
by 9 I would be driving like an undertaker....
Qualified with box on the parcel shelf, the local undertakers are no slouches when there's no rear parcel shelf box.
Genuine question. Do kittens die during driving threads?
Errrm... They under report by varying degrees as they are not calibrated to a common standard. Manufacturer a may be slightly off against manufacturer b. My bike is much nearer real than my cars for example. This is why the ACPO allowance is in place.
Back in the day, plod could do you by following you for 2/10ths of a mile IIRC because/if their speedo was calibrated. Not used once they had VASCAR
Edit for Daily Wail content. Though 149mph may sound like the work of Beelzebub, the really nasty bastard was the one doing 96mph in a 30mph zone.
The Op should put his name down for one of [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27587558 ]These [/url] he's obviously a [s]cretin[/s] incompetent driver.
Most has already been said relevant date is date of offence not sentence. If I was being paid I would check whether the start point was offence or sentence for the first points conviction off my head I think it is conviction.
If you are over 12 then your options are a) to investigate the speed restriction lawfully imposed lawfully signed and b) exceptional hardship. Exceptional hardship can only be argued on the same grounds once in three years and must be hardship that goes beyond you ie family employees or c) get banned for the offence rather than get points so ban could be shorter than the 6 months .
Most people spend a couple of hundred quid a month on a car so £1000 on some legal advise is economicly sensible.
The speed awareness course would be best if offered.
Oh and you are not wise to speed but I quess you know that now.
Every car I have driven in this country the speedometer has shown 73/74 mph when the satnav shows 70 mph. In the USA the speedometers have always matched the speed shown on the satnav. Is it a European directive that speedometers have to show a speed higher than your actual speed or just manufacturers whim?
Personally I would prefer a speedometer that showed my actual speed.
It is UK legal requirement they don't show less than actual and no more than 10% more than actual. Therefore, there is a range of over reading.
Remember, the speedo reading is affected ny tyre diameter which will vary according to tyre make, size, wear, pressure and season (e.g. winter tyres are often a different size). That means there will always be some variation.
Remember, the speedo reading is affected ny tyre diameter which will vary according to tyre make, size, wear, pressure and season (e.g. winter tyres are often a different size). That means there will always be some variation.
But the speed limit is the upper maximum. If unsure you have plenty of option to slow down.
Easiest way to cause a traffic jam? Drive at 30 in a 30 zone and watch the cars line up behind you.
Go to court take your own lube. Once is an accident twice is careless three times is stupid so what is 4 times?
Well known fact that UK speedos read under.
Personally I would prefer a speedometer that showed my actual speed.
The inbuilt protection against margin of error is handy though.
Re tyre size etc - my car continually calibrates the speedo against the in-built GPS. Handy 🙂
But Moly, they're both usually zero as your car seems to spend a lot of time US 🙂
Speed limit sign informs you of an absolute maximum speed you can do, its not a target to beat.
Unfortunately most motorists think otherwise.
But man, once you drive something more modern and something better ... its so hard to notice speed you traveling at. That powerful engine vrrooom-vrroom, those cushy leather seats and luxury quite bliss at higher speeds. I bet its hard to drive luxury car as slow as other commoners.
Man those vip minicab drivers have a nice life.
Personally I would prefer a speedometer that showed my actual speed.
It simply isn't possible for any speedometer to read 100% accurately over it's entire calibrated range, there will always be an error and that error will not be constant over the range either. Incidently your GPS won't be 100% accurate either and I've never unsdersttod why people seem to think it is.
slackalice - MemberTopical news story Motorist on M25 caught driving at 149mph
Has got me wondering, how much faster than the speed limit would one need to be travelling at to not get snapped?
Isn't it about time that cars were fitted with annoying beep indicators when you´exceed the speed limit?
You need to apply for the points to be removed.
I'm afraid though under the totting up you'll be on 12 points. See professional advice.
TBH though, is your eye exam/prescription upto date?
You need to re-evaluate your driving.
I'm a fine one to talk- I sailed through the M62 cameras not realising that when they aren't lit they are live so imagine I might receive my first ever 3points in the post any day.
[b]Driving quickly per se isn't wrong. Its lack of awareness that is by far worse. It becomes 'speeding' when your not really in control/lack of awareness/control of all faculties.[/b]
Are the driver awareness courses available commercially? It could be wise, in way of preparing your plea to the court, that you have taken action yourself in an attempt to improve your driving. Turning up having already undergone such training 'may' show that you have a degree of [s]dramatic ability[/s] remorse.
It's all b*llsh*t though isn't it. The police can spend a fortune on technology that means they can nick people who are primarily law abiding, there car is registered, taxed, MOT'd, insured. They just don't pay a lot of attention on a stretch of dual carriageway at 3am, when no-one is working (better off looking at the road at that time of night anyway rather than watching your speedo, or do all the "holier than thou's that have posted spend time looking at their cadence on their garmin rather than watching the trail?) But they don't have the resources to investigate fraud so that scumbags can get away with scamming online, selling bikes they never had. Nor can they deal with investigating when your stolen bike turns up on ebay.
The Police as an organisation are no longer fit for purpose (apologies to those that currently serve as individuals I have nothing but respect for the majority of you), if they were a school OfSTED would have put them in special measures and subsequently closed them. If they were a hospital there would be an enquiry. If they were an MP they would lose their seat.
My sister in law was in a similar situation, she hired a s****y lawyer, fluttered her eyes at the judge and got away with a one month ban (took a two week holiday and used taxis for the remaining two weeks).
What amazed me was that after the ban she started with a clean slate - ZERO points on her license!!!
Grr don't get me started. You talk about a moment's inattention like it doens't matter. That's exactly how people die, every day.
molgrips - MemberGrr don't get me started. You talk about a moment's inattention like it doens't matter. That's exactly how people die, every day.
Which is why we should get rid of speedometers.
I think you missed my point that it's better to have one's eye's on the road to react than to be constantly watching the speedo for exactly the same reason as you "Grrr". The speedo is a distraction in those areas, particularly if there are workers on the road.
With the length of some roadworks where these cameras are used it's very easy to gradually pick up from 40 to to 40+ (perhaps after a climb into a downhill by failing to ease of the gas).
If you aren't capable of keeping to the limit AND watching where you are going, you're not fit to drive.
to be constantly watching the speedo
You don't need to constantly watch it. Just every so often. Can you not control your car's speed properly either?
Think of the child's face!
Errrm... They under report by varying degrees
You mean over report presumably 🙂
molgrips - MemberYou don't need to constantly watch it. Just every so often.
But it only takes [i]a moment's inattention[/i].
But it only takes a moment's inattention.
it always amazes me driving on motorways with cruise control, how many people i seem pass repeatedly as they seem to rocket past at 90, then ease right off, then a couple of miles down the road do the same again.