[Closed] Only Fans ban porn

Patreon?

I'll stick my hand up...I never paid it any attention as I was convinced it was for adult smut only anyway...

I’ll stick my hand up…

That's what they've just banned. Page three stunnas should still be ok.

I'm. Assuming another site will come along and host a similar service

I never paid it any attention as I was convinced it was for adult smut only anyway…

Me too - I haven't figured out why people watch influencers or whatever they are, I just assumed it was porn.

That may say more about me than young people though

Is it new?

Can't be arsed if it is about looking at private parts etc.

I rather watch Golf as that is much more soothing (the commentators make me sleep ...) or people shooting invasive iguana in Florida or Japanese cooking ...

I’m. Assuming another site will come along and host a similar service

Maybe that is what the Members Forum was really created for.

It's Visa etc who have pushed for this so not sure how easy it will be for another site to take over unless they have an easy way of taking people's money.

I was thinking there is a lot of money to be made if you can start your own payment company with no rules against X rated material

Any suggestions for replacements for my OnlyFans...

I'm afraid you are going to have to go elsewhere for your Gloria Hunniford in a vest videos,

and no I still can't get that out of my head 🙁

Fair well Mrs Poindexter….. fair well 😢

(Also available on Instagram….. I’m told)

Apparently due to payment processor pressure...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/19/onlyfans-to-ban-adult-material-after-pressure-from-payment-processors

That must have been some pressure!

TBH OnlyFans has been a hit topic in IT, yeah it'll be banned on most work networks because of it's explicit content, but that's not really the problem with it, like Betting sites, there's an addiction problem. There's obviously endless smut online for free if you want it, frankly if there's an Only Fans 'star' you want to see without the paywall, it's not hard to find. The problem is punters are paying for what they think is a personal connection and for some it's only a small leap from 'supporting' the person of their desires for £20 a month or whatever to thinking they're in a relationship, and the realisation can be crushing and upsetting.

And I think that's why OnlyFans is facing stick from payment cos whilst for example PornHub doesn't for their premium service.

The problem is punters are paying for what they think is a personal connection and for some it’s only a small leap from ‘supporting’ the person of their desires for £20 a month or whatever to thinking they’re in a relationship, and the realisation can be crushing and upsetting.

And I think that’s why OnlyFans is facing stick from payment cos whilst for example PornHub doesn’t for their premium service.

Don't think this is the issue and here's why:

Pornhub purged 70% of their content earlier this year. They did this because they were under pressure from payment firms (visa, MasterCard etc). The reason they were under pressure was because knowingly or not, they were hosting illegal content (rape, abuse underage etc). They implemented a better verification system, but first they went clean slate. Payment partners can be fined/prosecuted for processing funds for illegal content in the usa.

Onlyfans is following suit, it's not about people spunking (heh) money up the wall on a girl (or guy) they don't have a chance with, it's about money, VC funding, dodging jail and actually making sure there is going to be an onlyfans in the next couple of years. Better a slice of a tiny pie, than skint and in court.

Onlyfans is following suit, it’s not about people spunking (heh) money up the wall on a girl (or guy) they don’t have a chance with, it’s about money, VC funding, dodging jail and actually making sure there is going to be an onlyfans in the next couple of years. Better a slice of a tiny pie, than skint and in court.

This was my understanding from the BBC coverage of the story, OnlyFans got busted for hosting underage stuff a couple of months back.

I don't care if you choose to make a living through porn (I've known a few people who have worked at various levels in the adult work industry over the years) but there obviously need to be safeguards around age and consent.

I'm surprised there are people out there willing to pay for porn.

I’m surprised there are people out there willing to pay for porn.

I'm surprised there are people out there who think it's acceptable to not pay for something that has a cost of production.

[i]I’m surprised there are people out there willing to pay for porn.[/i]

You won't see Gloria Hunnyford in a string vest without coughing up serious cash

You won’t see Gloria Hunnyford in a string vest without coughing up serious cash

Not overly sure that I ever wanted to.... But now I'm curious.

I’m surprised there are people out there who think it’s acceptable to not pay for something that has a cost of production.

Just like STW, YouTube etc, all the free accounts pay their way by watching adverts. The model is x% will convert to paying accounts and for the rest the site gets paid whenever they see an ad.

I'm still suprised that YouTube tolerates adblockers though....

The major payment providers don't like providing services to adult content platforms because their legal departments tell them it's super risky. The traditional component of this is that the number of fraudulent transactions is way higher than for other platforms. Sometimes the mainstream payment providers look the other way, sometimes they don't. There are other payment providers that are willing to take on this risk, but they cost much more.

In the last few years the porn platforms have been hosting user uploaded content, and those users aren't always uploading legal content. That pushes the risk even higher. VISA / Mastercard were still making enough money out of pornhub et al that they were willing to look the other way...until the dodgy content blew up in the press. Only at that point were the pearls clutched. Pornhub tech'ed their way out of that problem by drastically increasing the amount of verification they did - and quite right too.

It's an odd decision for OnlyFans to not do what pornhub did, taking the hit on verification, or taking the hit on working with a payment provider willing to take on more risks.

Did Mindgeek to the content verification thing for all their sites or just the Hub because that's the most well known one?

It’s an odd decision for OnlyFans to not do what pornhub did, taking the hit on verification, or taking the hit on working with a payment provider willing to take on more risks.

Perhaps the owners decided they were rich enough now?

I’m surprised there are people out there who think it’s acceptable to not pay for something that has a cost of production.

STW at its best. Someone getting told off by somebody taking the moral high ground over payment for porn.

STW at its best. Someone getting told off by somebody taking the moral high ground over payment for porn.

As I mentioned above, I've known a couple of people who choose to work in the adult industry - they expect to get paid for their work.

I presume from your comment that you are happy to work for free, or does that only apply to work that fits your own moral high ground?

All the decent stuff on Pornhub is filmed by amateurs anyway 😉

[i]All the decent stuff on Pornhub is filmed by amateurs anyway 😉[/i]

How dare you call me amateur!

I presume from your comment that you are happy to work for free, or does that only apply to work that fits your own moral high ground?

Errrr.... I'm pretty sure all those nice lads and lasses who perform for Brazzers and end up on Pornhub or Redtube get paid. Just because the business model is free to view does not mean there is no money in it.

Just because the business model is free to view does not mean there is no money in it.

Most of the internet is free to view, yet Google and FB rake in billions in advertising fees....

I presume from your comment that you are happy to work for free, or does that only apply to work that fits your own moral high ground?

Correct.

Built up some ikea furniture for a family (asylum) from Iran the other week.

How dare you call me amateur!

I lol'd. Thanks!

Errrr…. I’m pretty sure all those nice lads and lasses who perform for Brazzers and end up on Pornhub or Redtube get paid. Just because the business model is free to view does not mean there is no money in it.

Jon Ronson did a good podcast series (The Butterfly Effect) that covered the business model for Pornhub et al. Paying performers wasn't any part of it.

But those who appear in a brazzers video do get paid at the time the video was made? Don't they?

Edit: A quick google suggests they are paid per scene at the time of the shoot.

But those who appear in a brazzers video do get paid at the time the video was made? Don’t they?

Probably a fraction of the money the video makes - I doubt they get residuals. It hardly costs the same to produce as a Feature film.

When I'm not on a work network I might see if there is budget information available for a porn

But those who appear in a brazzers video do get paid at the time the video was made? Don’t they?

Edit: A quick google suggests they are paid per scene at the time of the shoot.

They're not paid by PH, and the producers and distributors of the video aren't paid by PH. PH doesn't pay for any of the content it hosts, much of which is copyrighted material they have no rights to.

Wages for porn performers have gone down massively since the advent of tube sites - most production companies have just taken a 'can't beat em join 'em' type approach because all their stuff ended up on there anyway.

The advent of OnlyFans etc allowed performers to effectively be their own boss and work from home and some of them were making really good money, which meant they moved away from the studio porn industry.

It does seem that a fair number of them are exploiting lonely people by pretending they have some kind of connection or whatever and milking them for cash with promises of custom content that never materialises - but the idea of sex workers having more control over their work situation seems like broadly a good one.

I wonder if the payment providers were seeing lots of attempts at chargebacks and claims of fraud etc when people felt they weren't getting what they'd paid for.

As mentioned the Jon Ronson podcast is interesting.

much of which is copyrighted material they have no rights to.

That true? I'll be honest, I always thought the content of such sites (PH, RT) was uploaded by the producers themselves, as a sort of loss leader to drive further traffic to their subscription stuff.

If its there against the wishes of the production company (i.e. stolen) then i'll gladly stand corrected.

That true? I’ll be honest, I always thought the content of such sites (PH, RT) was uploaded by the producers themselves, as a sort of loss leader to drive further traffic to their subscription stuff.

This didn't use to be the case but it's now certainly true for some of the content. Producers are being forced to adapt and try to work with the situation in the way you suggest.
PH don't upload, they host user uploaded content, and users upload copyrighted material frequently. It's then a matter of the copyright owner somehow spotting it and asking for it to be taken down. PH say "oops, sorry mate, we had no idea" and the content is taken down. Rinse and repeat.
But even with the most alert copyright owner keeping as on top of the situation as it's possible to be there's going to be a lag between posting and takedown and PH will be generating revenue all that time.

It’s then a matter of the copyright owner somehow spotting it and asking for it to be taken down.

That's fully automated now, just a bot scanning every video creating a hash and checking it against a database eg upload a video to FB with copyright music in it and they'll catch it immediately (I had that problem with videos from the gym which has Spotify playing on the speakers).

pretending they have some kind of connection or whatever and milking them for cash

Just cash?

That true? I’ll be honest, I always thought the content of such sites (PH, RT) was uploaded by the producers themselves, as a sort of loss leader to drive further traffic to their subscription stuff.

That was my assumption, you accept (like STW) that 80% will be freeloaders but you make money from the 20% who become subscribers (or whatever the numbers are).

seems they pulled out in the end https://www.axios.com/onlyfans-cancels-sexually-explicit-content-ban-172203d1-e505-4089-9b56-d2b225aef82e.html

seems they pulled out in the end

Fnarr! Fnarr!

WCA's second job is safe

Banning principle source of income in stupidity realisation shocker.

Safeguarding aside, this was just another chapter in the rampant prudish censorship of consenting adults going on today.

just another chapter in the rampant prudish censorship of consenting adults going on today.

What else is being censored? Genuine question.

this was just another chapter in the rampant prudish censorship of consenting adults going on today.

I thought it was about banks etc trying to make sure they weren't profiting from things like underage and non-consensual sexual activity, but hey 🤷‍♂️

What else is being censored? Genuine question.

So you have the double standards of female vs male nudity on Instagram etc (see Free the Nip) regardless of artistic merit (or lack thereof).

The aborted internet "porn ban".

The BDSM ban that was proposed a few years before that.

Drip, drip, drip...

I thought it was about banks etc trying to make sure they weren’t profiting from things like underage and non-consensual sexual activity, but hey 🤷‍♂️

Nice use of selective quoting there.

Safeguarding aside, this was just another chapter in the rampant prudish censorship of consenting adults going on today.

I thought the issue was ensuring they are both consenting and adults?