OK - compare our death rate to anywhere in the world
There is zero doubt that better controls on who came in to the country would have lowered the peak and saved lives. We have one of the worst infection and death rates in the world because of the frankly useless approach of the Tory government. we have had more damage to our economy because of the crap response of too ;little too late meaning restrictions need to be in place for longer because they were too late
Aus government are harsh on immigration - but again compare the numbers of illegal attempts and asylum seekers to us - far greater and as far as I am aware the Aus government does not advocacy criminalizing those who save folk from drowning and sinking small boats of desperate people
Its not all a bed of roses for sure and the island they took over to house boat people is an utter disgrace but compared to Patel and what she wants to do? they are kittens
Don't worry, it won't be Pritti soon it'll be the army sorting it
Are the quotes around the island in your post for any particular reason.....
Had it escaped your attention we are also an island.
If we were France or Poland or holland I'd get your point. But putting emphasis on them being an island just undermines your point.
We had a chance to close it down and we ****ed it pure and simple.
The UK and majority of the world realised {probably correctly} that was not possible so they haven’t needed to take the same border control steps.
That's some impressive spin! It WAS both possible and needed
I think it was fairly obvious after a short while that it couldn’t be kept out forever.
"Forever" was not the objective. How about..... "as long as was possible"? or "until a vaccine was available"? Australia did both (imperfectly, obviously) - and it saved a hell of a lot of lives.
UK deaths: 2,257 per million population, 151,000 deaths total
Aus deaths: 101 per million population, 2,572 deaths total
UK covid death rate fully 25x that of Australia. And that's if you assume that the UK has counted it's deaths correctly.
But by all means tell me how the uk handled the pandemic better than Australia, lol.
Comparing the UK with an “island” in a different hemisphere with very different weather, demographics and population densities is very difficult.
Not really. I mean - if you were trying to make a really strange point, perhaps you might pretend that was the case..... but no, not really. Does one have to turn the nasal swab anti-clockwise in the southern hemisphere? FYI: New South wales (pop 6.5m) had about 30K new cases yesterday, and it's been way over 50,000 on several days in the past week. The virus can spread here just as quickly as in the UK - but he haven't (until now) let it.
Vaccination rates in Australia are extremely high - higher than those in the UK (not bad considering we started late) - in particular in Melbourne. Most of the Australian states, but in particular Melbourne have had restrictions in the past few months on what the vaccinated vs unvaccinated can do. Letting Djokavic in to play tennis in Melbourne was monumentally stupid, and the resulting circus cringeworthy...... but the right decision was made in the end.
Are we likely to hear that he is being charged/prosecuted in Serbia for breaking their laws (which, I think, the Serb person in charge has stated he has done)?
That'll be tough...a national hero that the country is behind is then done for breaking the law.
Comparing the UK with an “island”
That made me chuckle, and has been nicely deconstructed already.
Even bigger irony that it was a failure of a government elected solely to make sure we took control of our borders.
I don't like Australia's wider treatment of immigrants, but they got their Covid border measures spot on. Yes, it was already here before we realised properly, but that doesn't mean you just shrug and give in.
We have one of the worst infection and death rates in the world
11th for infections, 31st for deaths (out of 224 recorded countries).
Is that per capita?
Or just actual numbers?
We have one of the worst infection and death rates in the world
11th for infections, 31st for deaths (out of 224 recorded countries).
We've (UK) consistenlty been 3rd worst in the world according to this:
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Johndoh above is correct - the uk is 31st “worst” in the world on deaths per million population.
A couple of other things to throw into the mix:
- the uk covid death rate records deaths where covid is given as a main cause of death
- the death rate has been over recorded by around 25% according to the ONS fieldwork I.e. the real uk death rate is around 40-50th worst
- the uk has very good systems for death recording - which is not the case in many countries - again pointing to the UK’s performance on deaths being better
- the uk has a more elderly and more diverse population - and is thus more likely to experience a higher death than countries with a younger / less diverse population
- the comparison with Australia is a not a credible one. Oz receives no food or imports by truck with the result that closing its airports to inbound passengers effectively isolated the country.
In the Uk with thousands of inbound / outbound lorries carried by ferries every day, any attempt to isolate the Uk would simply have resulted in us starving and our export industries collapsing in short order.
In the Uk with thousands of inbound / outbound lorries carried by ferries every day, any attempt to isolate the Uk would simply have resulted in us starving and our export industries collapsing in short order.
And that's Brexit's job!
We’ve (UK) consistenlty been 3rd worst in the world according to this:
And they seem to have a pretty robust model...
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The source you cite says the UK is third - but that is for overall cases, not infections / deaths per 1m so it isn't comparable data. (Worldometer says the UK is fourth overall for overall cases incidentally).
I think one needs a lot of discounting to disregard a 25-fold difference in mortality. Australia took a hard decision, the people supported it. Deporting exceptionalists is completely consistent with that stance. It's the same outrage as at Boris's working meetings au vin, from people who may not have agreed but still complied with regulations.
Well what a surprise. Djokovic has skin in the game of cure rather than prevention, hence his stance on anti-vax.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jan/19/novak-djokovic-stake-biotech-firm-quantbiores-covid
Not entirely new news but The BBC have done a little digging and it seems his year codes should have been sequential.
So....
BBC News - Novak Djokovic: Doubts over timing of Covid test
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59999541
It looks like the test that indicated positive should have been used somewhere between 25-28th Dec, not the 16th as previoulsy claimed. He arrived in Melbourne on the 5th Jan. So, if true, it was either a fake test or he landed in Australia when he was still considered positive for Covid. Erk.
Ignore me, already said.
I doubt it'll make any difference now...he was deported from Australia; his own country said he appeared to have broken their law with his social media postings but it also appears he isn't in any trouble back home...so this is all just noise really. Unless other countries take some interest in it and use it to prevent his entry for other competitions...but that is probably a stretch for now.
Well, if he ever wants to go back to Australia, having knowingly falsified a Covid Test result to gain entry might be considered criminal behaviour.
Gift that keeps on giving.
his own country said he appeared to have broken their law with his social media postings but it also appears he isn’t in any trouble back home…
I wonder if that's because [gov Serbia know] the events in question were actually before he tested positive
If they did, surely they'd be telling the world that as they keep fighting the good cause and let their hero get in to another country despite not meeting that country's entry requirements.
Something about the positive test has been doctored, so the whole document is fraudulent and can't be relied on. Has he even tested positive at all?
On the basis he attempted to enter Australia using forged/false documents how are they going to look upon future visa applications?
This was reported weeks ago by der Spiegel - I posted about it in here. The substance of the BBC article is exactly the same as what was reported (elsewhere) two weeks ago.
What I don't understand is why now? There doesn't appear to be any new information in that BBC article. Is this part of a drip-drip plan to try to time Djokovic's downfall? Or have they got new evidence that they're planning to release tomorrow and they're setting the groundwork? Or is someone about to launch an investigation into this?
What I don’t understand is why now? There doesn’t appear to be any new information in that BBC article.
So far as I can tell, the difference between the BBC and Der Spiegel pieces is the BBC report has now documented a number of tests to prove they should be sequential. Two weeks ago Der Spiegel (and Zerforschung, both credited in the BBC article) didn't have that data, only the numbers of ND's tests and the suggestion that they were odd.
If they did, surely they’d be telling the world that
I suspect that would rather depend on how they know and how it was achieved. If there complicit I doubt they'd be shouting too loud.
........and that's what a champion looks like
(not that he's totally without supicion, of course, but that was a game)
Has ND's TV just myseriously broken? 😆
Djokovic has won the argument!
Novak Djokovic has said he would rather miss out on future tennis trophies than be forced to get a Covid vaccine.
Sauce:
Petard, own, hoisted...
It's all about freedom of choice, apparently
https://twitter.com/thedailymash/status/1493536912748990470?s=20&t=FbsesdZg7iUl1CKRObzb5g
It's absolutely his choice to choose to prioritise his beliefs over winning tournaments. Fair play to him standing by his beliefs.
But still doesn't really explain the shenanigans with his Australian visa.
Novac upto it again it seems, this time getting into the US where you need to have proof of having a vaccine.
He's got 48 hours. What dodgy stuff will be be upto this time?
Epic battle between Novac and Rafa last night, where the Spaniard came out the 3-1 q/f winner.
Slam 22 incoming?
