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Having just listened to tracks I did as a youth to current day, 'Priest edge it for me...
Accept also stirred up memories - fantastic.
Maiden for me, bigger body of great work in my opinion. Only really loved the Painkiller album from 'Priest
Maiden all the way. I liked the odd Priest song but don't recal ever having a full album of theirs
I'd pick Saxon!
Maiden all day long. Priest are just the stereotype of metal bands that everyone takes the mickey out of.
Chugga-chugga-chugga-SCREAM-chugga-chugga
Iron Maiden🤘, Live after Death was the first real metal album I bought. Kinda disappointed BD was a Brexiteer then moaned about the difficulties it caused him afterwards.
Maiden (wanders off to Spotify 'Fear of the Dark - Live in Rio')
Maiden
Sorry - it's not even a contest!!
Maiden for me too – and their latest stuff is pretty good too – Senjutsu is a pretty decent album. Tickets purchased just this morning for the tour next summer 🙂
Fear of the Dark – Live in Rio
Good shout, along with Thunderstruck by AC/DC, it's one of those that just sounds better live than the original studio version.
My Priest love goes out to the album 'Screaming for Vengeance'. Not much else appealed back in the day. And they are bloody painful live - they really are a 'turn it up to 11' type of band and Halford's vocals go right through you. I saw them with Queensryche supporting and they were far, far better.
Maiden here too. first metal albums I bought were live after death and killers. Killers remains one of my favourite albums of all, even though I prefer dickinson over d'ianno. It's got a really nice rouded sound and much better production.
I saw them with Queensryche supporting and they were far, far better.
Jeff Tate is one the best rock/metal vocalists out there!
Maiden for me too. So many good songs. Currently at my desk with Senjutsu on the turntable.
Maiden.
/thread
Having seen both live in the early eighties, there’s no contest. Maiden.
I never bought a Judas Priest album so can’t comment on their studio work whilst I still play a number of Maiden albums every now and again
Maiden. And another shout out for Thunderstruck live. Love it when it appears in my ears on a pedal courtesy of Spotify! Last song on this afternoon's ride was Run to Hills. Spooky!
Neither, Black Sabbath all day long.
If we are classing acdc as metal then thin Lizzy aswell (both over priest and maiden)
Maiden all day long.
First band I ever saw live, at Leeds Queens Hall, original line up, with Paul Di'anno singing.
It was also the height of the Yorkshire ripper nightmare, never seen so many police as that night.
Great gig though
Neither, Black Sabbath all day long.
This for me too
Maiden......Maiden has Eddie
if we're talking old school metal, you missed out........motorhead.....but only with Eddie on guitar 🙂
Maiden……Maiden has Eddie
Their biggest legacy to music by far - few bands more iconic. Legendary imagery and marketing.
Hat is off to anyone nostalgic enough to listen to that lightweight tinny 80s disco heavy metal - my Gosh it is bad but formative years and all that.
Maiden(as above)
Was going to suggest either Saxon or even UFO.
But here's a compromise with Iron Maiden(official YT site) playing the UFO hit 'Doctor Doctor'
Or how about for a change - Ethel the Frog.
I take it you all had the 'Metal for Muthas' albums 😉
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVarUxytTi0&ab_channel=NWOBHMFullAlbums
MSG for a proper flavour of the time.
Neither.
ACDC
My first ever live gig was Iron Maiden. I much preferred their support act Spider. In fact I went out the next day and bought the Spider album. I have never bought an Iron Maiden album.
My school English O'Level Teacher set us an essay to discuss the lyrics of a good song. I chose "the Rage' by Judas Priest and remember waxing lyrical over "like a Tiger in the cage we begin to shake with rage". It made the hairs stand up on my arms and is doing so again now as I am listening to it as I type this.
Hat is off to anyone nostalgic enough to listen to that lightweight tinny 80s disco heavy metal
Pretty much this.
I am fortunate to be young enough to come at all these bands after the fact.
Judas priest and maiden do not stack up well. Much of it to do with production and massively compressed everything. But the writing is pretty poor, no dynamics makes the whole thing lack punch. Thin Lizzy stepped into that at times but kept a bit more rawk in the mix.
The grunge scene managed more punch with less noise.
Maiden for me too - such a variety of content and some well developed themes/lyrics in their songs too. Not completely writing off some of the others, but Maiden remain my go to metal band.
The choice was Priest or Maiden.
But if we’re expanding the options then AC/DC in that era trump both - classic after classic - closely followed by Rainbow for me.
Stargazer is a mega rock production.
if we’re talking old school metal, you missed out……..motorhead…..but only with Eddie on guitar 🙂
Not metal and I quote Lemmy - "We are Motörhead and we play Rock N Roll!" 🙂 😉
Any excuse for this 🙂
Maiden without a doubt. Brexit whining aside they've made some great music (interspersed with some disappointing stuff). Saw them at the O2 a few years back. That was a stage show and a half.
Priest are cooler!
I’d pick Saxon!
Said no-one ever.
Maiden out of those two,
For me
Bon Scott era AC-DC
Rainbow, Rising is a brilliant album
MSG
UFO
Sabbath, Heaven and Hell
Motor Head
Scorpions
🤘
Maiden - Live at Donington '92 is a great album - all the more so as it was my first 'Monsters.
Overall.... Maiden ... but Painkiller is a better album than any single studio release Maiden ever laid down.
I mean...the drumming on the title track alone.
Poison….and I’m not even joking!
#glamslamkingsofnoize
Poison….and I’m not even joking!
Oh my god, look what the cat dragged in.
We'll be getting Extreme views next.
No mention of Led Zeppelin. Aren't they "heavy metal"? Are they from a different sub genre?
Absolutely unequivocally the Irons.
JP have some good tracks and Pain killer is decent, but Maiden, from Number of the Beast until Fear of the Dark were on the absolute top of their game.
I just wish I was a few years older to have seen them on their Seventh Son tour. I got them at Donnington '92 in the end.
Led Zeppelin are not metal. The fact that you do not know this immediately invalidates all your opinions in this matter. 😉
Neither are ‘old-school metal’, they were part of ‘the new-wave of British Heavy Metal’. That is an indisputable fact.
’Old-school’ is Sabbath, Deep Purple, The Who, Zeppelin, Mötörhead. Anything later, in the 80’s is new-wave metal. Don’t argue about it, it’s fact. Yes, I know that Maiden formed in 1975, and Priest in 1969, but it was 1980 before JP started getting attention, and IM also in 1980 despite forming in 1975.
I'm pretty much in line with johndoh.
Judas Priest lost it to me when they sacked drummer Dave Holland, and sacrificed away any melody at the alter of thrashy double bass drum dirge.
IM have waay more depth.
First saw them on the Piece of Mind tour, and the next few after that. Think Somewhere in Time was the last tour I saw them.
I've tickets to the next tour though 🤘. Taking my daughter (hopefully not to the slaughter!!) for some quality dad and daughter time.
Book of Souls was a remarkably good recent album.
And Bruce can still sing well, unlike Halford.
(Even though as others say he was a Brexit goon who is surprised that leaving the EU makes aviation and travel for immigrant non EU musicians wanting to going into the EU to work harder).
The choice was Priest or Maiden.
But if we’re expanding the options then AC/DC in that era trump both – classic after classic – closely followed by Rainbow for me.
As I suspected.....Dio fan ^^
Poison….and I’m not even joking!
Oh my god, look what the cat dragged in.
We’ll be getting Extreme views next.
More my era!
Priest or Maiden? I'm in the neither camp, to be honest. Sabbath from that era for me.
Saxon were my first gig.
As I suspected…..Dio fan ^^
Too right - Holy Diver - great days mate! 🤘🤘
Loving H.E.A.T too at the minute - that 80's style bought just a little bit up to date.
Sabbath from that era for me.
Iron Maiden released their first album in 1980, so you are saying that Heaven & Hell (title track excepted), Mob Rules and Born Again era Sabbath were better than Iron Maiden, Killers, Number of the Beast, and Piece of Mind? Don't get me wrong, I love Sabbath but Technical Ecstasy onwards they have had very few high points musically.
Off the back of this thread prompting me I just got tickets for Iron Maiden in Birmingham next July!
As I suspected…..Dio fan
Another Dio fan here 🤟
Heaven and Hell and Rising, both brilliant albums.
Old school metal, I'd go with Budgie.
Off the back of this thread prompting me I just got tickets for Iron Maiden in Birmingham next July!
I nearly did - put 4 in my basket this morning for Nottingham. Looked at the total price and thought, naah, I'm not that bothered.
I guess a lot of people are thinking this too. I'm off to see Biffy in Nov and amazingly tickets are still available for most dates. Normally they'd sell out straight away.
Of the two Maiden, especially the early Di'Anno stuff. But I'm also a massive Dio fan so Rainbow and Dio era Sabbath for me. Could never be Priest cos Halford is a tea leaf....😉
Maiden are old school ? Purple
Priest because Maiden has been doing only festival gigs here lately and my 17-year old can’t yet join in.
We saw Priest in June this year and they were really good. Current live version of Blood Red Skies is fantastic, none of the tinny drum machine stuff of the album version.
Of the two, Maiden all day long. From that era, though, it's another vote for Dio from me, and not just his vocals (although they were insane), they had the whole package.
they had the whole package
Just a very, very small package. Almost too whee!
Maiden - Somewhere in Time is a great album. Agree with Footflaps - Queensryche are brilliant. Mindcrime was played constantly during my college days.
So clearly Maiden won that – perhaps we should go back a step and do a Rock and Metal World Cup (ie, Zepellin v Sabbath, Crue v Ratt, Quiet Riot v AC/DC, Nirvana v Faith No More, Disturbed v Killswitch Engage etc etc etc) and see who wins through to the final 🙂
They are indistinguishable from each other. The entire genre is bland, the 'tunes' are simple boring and basic with almost no veriety, the lyrics childish and indecipherable* it falls somewhere between "finger in the ear" folk and rockabilly on a scale of "crimes against music".
Every single Heavy metal songs breakdown goes
1 sound of engine revving
2. Yelling
3. Rythming some words with some other words
4. fret-board ****ery (scales, if the guitarist stayed awake during music lessons, arpeggios)
5. some other instrument
6. Abrupt non-ending
*I'm aware that's a feature, not a bug.
They are indistinguishable from each other. The entire genre is bland, the ‘tunes’ are simple boring and basic with almost no veriety, the lyrics childish and indecipherable* it falls somewhere between “finger in the ear” folk and rockabilly on a scale of “crimes against music”.
Every single Heavy metal songs breakdown goes
1 sound of engine revving
2. Yelling
3. Rythming some words with some other words
4. fret-board ****ery (scales, if the guitarist stayed awake during music lessons, arpeggios)
5. some other instrument
6. Abrupt non-ending
*I’m aware that’s a feature, not a bug.
You clearly haven't listened to very much any Iron Maiden then.
Oh god, Absolutely. I don't listen to Iron Maiden for the same reason I don't listen to recordings of rutting elephant seals. But that's not going to stop me from forming an opinion about the Heavy Metal that others have played to me and said (often overly hopefully) "You'll like this" No, no I don't.
It's a genre of music that constantly surprises; many musicians seem genuinely individually talented. That they all produce the same boring song over and over again never fails to astonish. There's no other genre of music like in it's ability not have developed in any way.
Although, you're right, we should probably have different anatomies for other bits of Metal
Black Metal
1. Screaming, church bells, murder
2. err, that's it
Death Metal
1. Some beats
2. Singing that is suspiciously similar to the cookie monster
3. Beats
you can go now.
Hahahhah
Doom
1. Riff
2. 30 seconds of really fast drumming
May I offer NickC and education in Metal......
Try Iron Maiden - Aces High
Then try Faith No More - Epic
Then Disturbed - Sound of silence
Then Alice In Chains - Would
Tehn Tool -Schism
All "Metal", all very very different. Try it, you might like it...:)
I'm not going to listen to any of those. Others have tried and failed. TBF, I don't mind the opening bars of most AC/DC, it's when they start murdering the cat that I turn it off.
Don't even try guys - nickc's not for turning!
...we've found a candidate for a ritualistic sacrifice though! 🙂 👹 🔥
It's a shame though - this was a really fun thread until one asshat sees a thread title, thinks 'I hate all that crap' then proceeds to tell us all what is wrong with the genre of music we like that, by their own admission, they don't even listen to.
Jog on nickc, close the door on your way out.
Oh my word. If a wee bit of gentle mockery on an otherwise dull Friday afternoon is enough for you to resort to that level of insult. may I gently suggest that t'internet isn't for you?
If you want to have a discussion about how great you think this music is, I'm not stopping you, just ignore me, and crack on.
TBF, I don’t mind the opening bars of most AC/DC, it’s when they start murdering the cat that I turn it off.
In that case you should try listening to early Bon Scott era AC/DC not the Brian the cat strangler stuff .
In support of nickc - yeah, it's nonsensical, childish rubbish. But the main thing is - Judas Priest, surely they were just a novelty act, taking the piss out of the whole thing in the first place? The name for one thing. Then, this bloke..
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Too right – Holy Diver
Yeah, hell of an album.
I suspect I'll be headphoning it on YT later this eve.
Hat is off to anyone nostalgic enough to listen to that lightweight tinny 80s disco heavy metal
Pretty much this.
I am fortunate to be young enough to come at all these bands after the fact.
Judas priest and maiden do not stack up well. Much of it to do with production and massively compressed everything. But the writing is pretty poor, no dynamics makes the whole thing lack punch. Thin Lizzy stepped into that at times but kept a bit more rawk in the mix.
The grunge scene managed more punch with less noise.
Yep. A lot of my mates at school were into metal, I just found it boring cosplay nonsense. AC/DC is entertaining, much better band because they were just a rock band, not into metal silliness.
I was more into stuff like Prince, Talking Heads, and Springsteen (Born to Run, especially), but also Ramones, Sex Pistols, etc. Maiden and Priest just weren't very good compared with stuff like that or the best grunge stuff from the 90s.
Show me anything by Maiden or Priest that comes close to Rats by Pearl Jam, for example.
Different eras - you can’t compare them.
If you pronounce Mötörhead as suggested by the use of umlauts, then surely it should sound like 'Muurtuurhead'. Which sounds a bit Geordie. Like. Man. Y'knaa. Pet.
Hh, totally not a metalhead, but Maiden. Cos they're the only band of they type that produces sound that's anywhwere vaguely like actual music.
And it’s a nostaligia thing for me - few things are as exciting to a teenage lad as running up town and picking up a pink vinyl single of Run to the Hills that you’d ordered weeks before and showing it around in class at lunchtime.
I had Number of the Beast album on picture disc too.
It’s memories of the era that do it for me - I rarely play Maiden now.
Def Leppard of that era too were huge in our school - Pyromania and High ‘n Dry were as good as it got back then. They should have stopped years ago though as they now produce some cringeworthy durge.
They are indistinguishable from each other. The entire genre is bland, the ‘tunes’ are simple boring and basic with almost no veriety, the lyrics childish and indecipherable* it falls somewhere between “finger in the ear” folk and rockabilly on a scale of “crimes against music”.
So what do you regard as "good" music then? Just so all we metal fans can get our own back!! (-:
I was more into stuff like Prince, Talking Heads, and Springsteen (Born to Run, especially), but also Ramones, Sex Pistols, etc. Maiden and Priest just weren’t very good compared with stuff like that or the best
yep - I like all those bands, Simon & Garfunkel, Howard Jones, The The, Interpol, Spear of Destiny blah blah blah - but we’re just trying to enjoy Maaaiiiiiideeen!
Another Dio fan here 🤟
Heaven and Hell and Rising, both brilliant albums.
Saw the Heaven and Hell tour the year before he died, amazing!
enough for you to resort to that level of insult.
Asshat is a term of endearment here, don't you know.