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Genuinely curious here.

You've perhaps seen something you cant explain.

A "ghost" or entity.

Does that simply make it an as yet unexplained scientific phenomenon?.... or does it have the potential to mean religion, or at least its premise of a life after death, might.... Just might have a basis in fact?


 
Posted : 18/12/2018 11:23 pm
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The only thing you need for religion is followers. You can make the rest up.
Its a cattleprod for the soul/


 
Posted : 18/12/2018 11:26 pm
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Posted : 18/12/2018 11:32 pm
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Does that simply make it an as yet unexplained scientific phenomenon?

That's been the explanation for every other previously unexplained thing that was attributed to a god or gods or magic so far, so yes.


 
Posted : 19/12/2018 10:22 am
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Posted : 19/12/2018 10:26 am
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You’ve perhaps seen something you cant explain

Maybe... if it’s a Shared Experience... but it never seems to be.
Otherwise it’s all in yer ‘ead.


 
Posted : 19/12/2018 10:42 am
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Both me and my ex have witnessed two counts of ghosts, one together and one by myself. We've also experienced, together, the physical presence of a 'friendly poltergeist'* that scared the hell out of me!

I now believe in ghosts etc. but wouldn't bother trying to convince anyone.
I'm as far from religeous as you can get.
*that's what they're called on tv.


 
Posted : 19/12/2018 10:45 am
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Now that every man and his dog carry's a mobile phone with a camera. How come there are no pictures of these strange events?

One explanation would be you can't take pictures of things that are inside your head.

Ocams, Razor 🙂


 
Posted : 19/12/2018 10:50 am
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How come there are no pictures of these strange events?

https://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/can-someone-explain-this-photo

Eh eh?! What do you say now eh? 😆


 
Posted : 19/12/2018 12:32 pm
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No.


 
Posted : 19/12/2018 12:44 pm
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No, never. Greed and subjugation are the bases for religion.
If I saw a ghost I would expect that it was a trick of the mind, a scientific phenomenon I wasn't aware of or that I was being tricked.


 
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I now believe in ghosts etc. but wouldn’t bother trying to convince anyone.
I’m as far from religeous as you can get.

Genuinely how do you reconcile that - i get organised religion doesn't necessarily follow from your ability to believe in things for which there is no proof but surely if you're able to believe in ghosts you can't be genuinely not religious, i.e. shun any sort of belief which has no basis in proven scientific fact*, you just don't identify with any established group that you know of?

I'm not saying (well i am really) believing in ghosts makes you religious but that i don't see how you can accept one and actively dismiss the other which is how i read "as far from".

As regards the OP I'd argue it sort of is since "you" hold a non provable belief based solely on your perception of the world around you and directly counter to "fact", but that's largely becuase i don't see being religious as being Christian** but as being not a rationalist.

(Personally I'm a moderate skeptic, which is to say i believe most beliefs are likely nonsense but that often "it's impossible to prove a negative" is conflated with a lack of proof to mean "therefore it is negative")

Greed and subjugation are the bases for religion.

I'd be interested to know which religion you can find which is based on either of those things, it might be that they propagate them (certainly they have done in the past) but one isn't necessarily the other, anymore than [seasonal reference] sprouts are made of farts [/seasonal reference]

*or a good deal of proper theory.
**other faiths are available


 
Posted : 19/12/2018 1:29 pm
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Religion - The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

Paranormal - Denoting events or phenomena such as telekinesis or clairvoyance that are beyond the scope of normal scientific understanding.

They are not synonymous.


 
Posted : 19/12/2018 2:18 pm
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/religion

Only one (in each) of the multiple defenitions actually mentions god(s) e.g. Buddhists don't believe in one but it's certainly a religion, so whilst i get your point and one is not synonymous with the other, suggesting religion requires you to believe in a god isn't true.

My point isn't that believing in the paranormal means you [b]are[/b] (classically) religious* or believe in god(s) but IMO it's certainly the same basis as religion, hence i can't see how you can be actively not-religious but believe in ghosts/aliens etc.

*Classically specifically, as in dictionary defenition, personally I'd say one is sufficiently similar to the other as to be effectively the same, though in part that's to do with the fairly broad terms by which one is defined. (Edit animism is about the closest i can find to a word for believing in ghosts and in terms of definition gets fairly close to what a lot of people would call religion. I guess the big thing really is what you think a ghost is, some sort of spirit or swamp gas)


 
Posted : 19/12/2018 2:56 pm
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I would have thought it's perfectly possible to believe in aliens without being religious. If you mean extra terrestrial life, I think that's highly likely (though have no more evidence than anyone else) but I'm an atheist.


 
Posted : 19/12/2018 8:02 pm

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