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I suppose as long as you getting the desired site ‘impresssions’ though
you should be grateful of the speculation, at least it’s racking up thread count!
You seem to be confusing moderators with site owners. Impressions and thread count affects us as much as it affects you.
Kryton57 has had another car thread open for over an hour, with zero replies. Someone desperately needs to take the piss.
Sad times.
You seem to be confusing moderators with site owners.
For better or worse, you have been acting as spokespeople for STW so I suppose it's not surprising that you get conflated.
Glad I cleared that up, then.
It’s not opinion I stated a fact to correct misconceptions as I say a reply.
Kryton57 has had another car thread open for over an hour, with zero replies. Someone desperately needs to take the piss.
That man needs some new material
Has anyone tried starting a thread a bout Brexit? that will get the post number up 😉
You're a bad man.
(-:
Donald Trump, Our Saviour: A STW Story...
It’s not opinion I stated a fact to correct misconceptions as I say a reply.
It really isn't, because you aren't the arbiter of an undeniable truth. You're telling it how you see it from your perspective. Something I don't think you should be doing, as I've said. We've no way of knowing if you've acted reasonably towards the individuals concerned (who says the complaints or warnings are just?) so to say that their banning was inevitable is only true if you'd decided that it's what you wanted to happen.
FFS!
Alternatively:
Find something that is blatantly racist and start a thread ask everyone is this racist?
start a thread asking if you have been overcharged by your LBS?
start a thread saying that Sick bike co. are bobbins
We’ve no way of knowing if you’ve acted reasonably towards the individuals concerned
True enough.
However, your knowing is not a prerequisite for successful moderation of the forum. At the risk of being blunt, the circumstances surrounding the issuing of warnings or bans to other users is none of your business.
I would hope that the majority of users would trust us to act in a fair and reasonable capacity, and I've certainly tried to be as objective and transparent as I can be in this respect. There's a very small but vocal minority that appears to resent the fact that the site has moderators at all and will never be happy as what we do, but there's not a great deal I can do about that. If you don't trust us then I'm sorry, but ultimately that's your decision.
I have a question about getting out of a car lease contract, can anyone help?
There are many things wrong with this forum but I don't think the level of moderation is one of them. Any modding done to me has, sometimes after a period of reflection, seemed fair.
However, I would also suggest to both Cougar and Drac that their loyalty to STW has affected their objectivity when it comes to the results of the forum upgrade and that has shown in the tone of their replies.
Any modding done to me...
you had a word with yourself? 😉
electronic bicycles sound like fun maybe a thread about them would draw in a few posters?
I should also say - I can understand how a level of frustration could lead to that reaction and that's really a reflection on the way they've been left as the "public face" of STW while those that should be communicating are apparently in hiding.
A conspiracy isn't strictly true as that usually involves a plan carried out in privacy, whereas yours was made clear
you say tomato, i say tomato, i couldn't give a four ex tbh, just passing a bit of time.
having said that tho your replies in general are tetchy for some reason....
Things have got worse in the last ~48 hours, now getting regular hijacks while reading threads, with rubbish like http://safety.microsoft.com.tzrzme.vk5kqc8a8bqffeguw.science/ow/en/index.php taking over the page and refusing to let me return to the thread I was reading.
I would also suggest to both Cougar and Drac that their loyalty to STW has affected their objectivity when it comes to the results of the forum upgrade and that has shown in the tone of their replies.
Hmm. I'll take that on board.
As I said, I do at least try to be objective. We're talking about a different thing here now but the principle is the same. I'm loyal to STW, sure, but I'm loyal to the userbase as well. It's a two-way process - I post here trying to explain something but I'm similarly doing likewise in conversations with the moderator team, Mark and Tech as appropriate. If I don't agree with something I'll call it out, as will Drac and the others, whether that's around moderator decisions, site issues or whatever. The only difference is, you don't see that so you there's perhaps a perception that we're just lickspittles. I'm not sure what the answer is here other than, as I said, I hope that most people trust that whilst we may not be perfect we're doing the best we can to be fair.
your replies in general are tetchy for some reason
You know, it baffles me that people continue to be surprised that we're human.
I've discussed this at length in the past but I'll try once more.
1) Some people appear take great delight in trying to provoke a reaction from us, then act all surprised when they finally get one.
2) It's very easy to misread intent in text-based communication. I'm naturally sarcastic, it's just the way I'm wired. I kind of assume that everyone knows me and knows that I'm rarely particularly serious, which is a failing on my part I know.
having said that tho your replies in general are tetchy for some reason….
If I was in the mods’ position I’d only have macruiskeen and northwind left nattering between themselves.
Some of these replies to the mods are like the responses I get from my 4 year old.
I'm also struggling to see what people are gaining from them.
I’m also struggling to see what people are gaining from them.
This is is as close to knocking one out at work as their company’s HR policy will allow.
I'm not hoping to gain anything. I'm simply stating how I perceive things. Sometimes it's useful to have feedback. Of course, it's completely up to the Mods how they take it. I'm really just trying to help.
At the risk of being blunt, the circumstances surrounding the issuing of warnings or bans to other users is none of your business.
True enough, which is why you and Drac should refrain from commenting on it.
If you don’t trust us then I’m sorry, but ultimately that’s your decision.
It's not about trust. It's about the presentation of opinion as fact. I completely accept that you make judgement calls and moderate accordingly.
Hey moany grumpy people, why don't you just leave, maybe start your own forum? We won't miss you.
Todya's threads that have the most words typed on:
Audi A6
Mercedes G wagon
BMW "luxury"
Audi A3
Have a look and compare the length of text and sincerity poured into todya's car threads with the one-liners on the bike forum threads. Even the STWers who used to ride bikes, race bikes and even work in the bike business now post about their VW Golf and how wonderful it is.
I might not post in the bike forum but I do ride bikes, still more than I drive my car most years. I use an MTB for amusement and various bikes and tandems just for getting about. And the types of cars people get enthusiatic about on this forum are the ones I most see being driven in an anti-social aggressive mannner.
The STW demographic is becoming more would-be alpha male "look at me" dieselheads and less lefty, eco, alternative technology, humanist, non-conformist. I can't remeber the last time anything was posted about global warming (as opposed to fixing the central heating), climatic change (as oposed to how best to heat the glass conservatory), redcuing one's carbon footprint (as opposed to which is the fastest most polluting diesel estate to buy), a hundred mile diet (as opposed to dieting).
Even politics has gone off the boil. This is pistonheads for those who know too little about cars to risk a post on pistonheads..
Edit: this is an observation, I know what to do if I don't like it, carry on as usual ignoring my voice in the wilderness.
Zdit 2: I've just remembered who drives a Golf, no personal offense intended, I just chose a dull car at random,
It’s about the presentation of opinion as fact.
I'm not sure what you're referring to here. I've never wilfully done that but may inadvertently have not been clear enough sometimes. I do try to differentiate and choose my words carefully but, well, clearly not well enough for some on occasion.
A conspiracy isn’t strictly true as that usually involves a plan carried out in privacy, whereas yours was made clear
you say tomato, i say tomato, i couldn’t give a four ex tbh, just passing a bit of time.
having said that tho your replies in general are tetchy for some reason….
Well it’s probably because you’re talking crap about mods, they’re is no plan to dilute the forum.
Scotroutes your point is taken
Scotroutes - your perception is not one that is universally shared. Considering the amount of repetitive griping and narrow nitpicking that's gone on in this and other threads - whilst accepting there are issues with the forum - I think the mods have behaved with remarkable restraint. I for one don't think the tone of their replies has been unreasonable in the least.
Careful, you'll out yourself as a stealth mod. (-:
Thanks for that comment, appreciated.
The STW demographic is becoming more would-be alpha male “look at me” dieselheads and less lefty, eco, alternative technology, humanist, non-conformist. I can’t remeber the last time anything was posted about global warming (as opposed to fixing the central heating), climatic change (as oposed to how best to heat the glass conservatory), redcuing one’s carbon footprint (as opposed to which is the fastest most polluting diesel estate to buy), a hundred mile diet (as opposed to dieting).
First they came for the socialists...
The hippies will be next. Eventually it will only be the high-end diesel drivers left.
Scotroutes – your perception is not one that is universally shared.
I'm sure it isn't.
Todya’s threads that have the most words typed on:
Audi A6
Mercedes G wagon
BMW “luxury”
Audi A3
Have a look and compare the length of text and sincerity poured into todya’s car threads with the one-liners on the bike forum threads. Even the STWers who used to ride bikes, race bikes and even work in the bike business now post about their VW Golf and how wonderful it is.
I might not post in the bike forum but I do ride bikes, still more than I drive my car most years. I use an MTB for amusement and various bikes and tandems just for getting about. And the types of cars people get enthusiatic about on this forum are the ones I most see being driven in an anti-social aggressive mannner.
The STW demographic is becoming more would-be alpha male “look at me” dieselheads and less lefty, eco, alternative technology, humanist, non-conformist. I can’t remeber the last time anything was posted about global warming (as opposed to fixing the central heating), climatic change (as oposed to how best to heat the glass conservatory), redcuing one’s carbon footprint (as opposed to which is the fastest most polluting diesel estate to buy), a hundred mile diet (as opposed to dieting).
Even politics has gone off the boil. This is pistonheads for those who know too little about cars to risk a post on pistonheads..
Edit: this is an observation, I know what to do if I don’t like it, carry on as usual ignoring my voice in the wilderness.
Zdit 2: I’ve just remembered who drives a Golf, no personal offense intended, I just chose a dull car at random,
I too miss the good all days when it was all woodburners and coffee machines
And Beardy McAxerson and artisan trousers that may or not be made in West Yorkshire.
I would also suggest to both Cougar and Drac that their loyalty to STW has affected their objectivity when it comes to the results of the forum upgrade and that has shown in the tone of their replies.
Hmm. I’ll take that on board.
That you aren't already aware of this, is frankly, staggering.
Scotroutes – your perception is not one that is universally shared.
I’m sure it isn’t.
I for one though, completely agree with him, and we are clearly not alone.
Is there anything I can say that will actually make you happy or are you just going to have a little dig every time I post?
artisan trousers
How dare you artisan trousers are the corner stone of this great forum!
It really isn’t, because you aren’t the arbiter of an undeniable truth. You’re telling it how you see it from your perspective. Something I don’t think you should be doing, as I’ve said
Well said. If you could print this out and tape it to the bottom of your screen it might help get the numbers back up :-).
Artisanal?
Is it?
I have never felt right about cougar doing whatever he likes on here just because he has watched quadrophenia more times than the rest of us.
😆
What does diluting the forum mean ?
People seem to be moaning about it a lot, but I honestly haven’t a clue what it means 🤔
(is it something to do with homeopathy?)
If find out let me know as I can’t see it in the master plan.
Seriously though, what does it mean ?
I guess you you must know, because you seemed fairly sure it wasn’t what was happening/or planned or whatever.
I am being serious I’m supposed to know as it’s part of our plan but we don’t even have a plan never mind a one to dilute.
The STW demographic is becoming... less lefty
Aah, it's the Tories fault, of course.
Aaaand, segway to my point:
I think not being able to keep politics out of everything puts people off.
Much like I used to do with my dad's spirits the mods having been taking little sips of the forum when no one is looking and them 'topping it up with threads about tyre choice and wiring extensions.
there’s perhaps a perception that we’re just lickspittles.
to be fair, we also think at least one of you is also a fun sponge....
I can't help but think that sounds like a contraceptive.
Lol quick edit there. I doubt it would have offended anyone.
He’s been banned.
A bit of:
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_classics/1875847-Do-you-dunk-your-penis
Followed buy a fun sponge?
Lol quick edit there. I doubt it would have offended anyone.
It was more an edit to avoid giving people ammo TBH.
Fair enough. Swearing doesn’t bother me (real or implied), but I’m sure someone would have held it against you, or questioned the hypocrisy.
Quite.
So does nobody know what “diluting the forum” means then ?
I think its like vimto...
Speaking as a noobie...
Unlike some forums I visit this one doesn't have any real structure. It's either bikes or chat. There is a wealth of information but you have to dig for it. Maybe thats good, maybe thats bad, but to a new guy its a little intimidating. It's just a wall of chat with no real jumping off place.
That said everyone has been very friendly and no-one has bitten my head off for saying anything stupid yet.
The night is young
Unlike some forums I visit this one doesn’t have any real structure.
That’s exactly why I like it to be honest. Just loads of random topics you can dive in and out of. Despite the recent issues <span style> I still think it’s the best place on teh internets and populated by mostly seemingly decent folks.