[Closed] Oh dear.......The Dear Leader Kim has kicked it off again

It misses the target. 😆

Not good enough.

Next time try to hit the target.

Go do it again.

😈

At what stage are the Thaad missiles (Terminal High-Altitude Area Defence) deployed?

Seems like expensive kit just sitting there???

grtdkad - Member
At what stage are the Thaad missiles (Terminal High-Altitude Area Defence) deployed?

Seems like expensive kit just sitting there???

My guess is that the Thaad will only be deployed when the real one is being launched.

Everyone knows those being launched now are not real ... 😛

Man's a Napoleon complex dingleberry. Needs a curt backhand back under the rock from whence it came.

chestercopperpot - Member
Man's a Napoleon complex dingleberry. Needs a curt backhand back under the rock from whence it came.

Typical schoolyard bully, continually poking and provoking others then when they respond starts whining about their provocations and he's only defending himself against them.
What a knob.
Needs to be given a sound thrashing and sent to bed with no pudding.

I am still hoping that the US has developed a laser ray of nuke missile frying - a bit like space invaders we can play a giant game of zap the missile.

What have they got against the sea, they seem to fire a lot of missiles into it?

I don't be having a lot of faith in those Thaad defends systems if I'm honest.. at What stage doth 'fire and fury if you do it again'
become an action?

Too many 80's films and too much coke and popcorn I reckon..
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The thing with THAAD and Aegis is they are the deterrent against the deterrent. "You can't harm us because we can shoot down your missile".

Such a deterrent doesn't quite work so well if it becomes apparent that actually your THAAD/Aegis doesn't work so well. Best not to publicly test it until it's really needed in that case...

They just need a mock THAAD launch in response that 'accidentally' over-flies several hundred km and lands on one of Kim's palaces.

You see if you owned a country wouldn't you just kick back in opulent luxury, maybe go for a bike ride or a nice stroll in the woods, followed by a nice dinner and a beer every day? You wouldn't go about making nuclear weapons, threatening other nations with war and looking at things with an absurd haircut.
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http://kimjongunlookingatthings.com

Just ignore him, he is obviously an attention whore, if the media didn't run the stories and the political leaders kept their mouths shut he would eventually give up, the thing you focus on is the thing you get more of - basic parenting skill, dont respond when the kids are playing up, heap praise on them when they do good and the result is they do lots more good than playing up.

Easy to ignore him when you don't live in Japan/South Korea!

Really can't think of a way to resolve it now. Hes been ignored too long. Think the dropping thousands of IPhones with free wi-fi was the best idea I've heard!

North Korea's weapons programme is mostly for internal consumption. They're not going to launch missiles on either SK, Japan, or the US as to do so would invite immediate destruction.

KJU has bet his grasp of total power on a successfully completion of a nuclear missile system which he can then use as a bargaining chip in talks. He knows that the sanctions regime isn't being used collaborative by the US and China, and he's reckoning (probably correctly) that for all the bluster and threats, it's cheaper, easier, and better for the local powers to do a deal and supply him with what he wants (foreign trade and currency).

Time to get used to a world that has NK as the next nuclear power.

Those missile defence systems are just as controversial or provocative than the missiles themselves. Remember the threats from Russia when the US announced they were developing 'Star Wars' system? The whole point of a nuclear weapon stand-off is due to MAD you've effectively got a stalemate, so balance is restored and everything plods on as normal. But if one side introduces something that promises to cancel out the others strike capability then the balance is upset and people get all rowdy.

Also they've yet to be tested in practice. These ballistic missiles go into low earth orbit....that is high. And they're flying very fast by the time they get into low earth orbit they're hooning along at many times the speed of sound. It's a big ask for another missile to chase one down after a 30 second or minute or so delay between realising they've fired the missile and you launching your defence missile. That was the whole point of SR71 - it could outrun ground based SAM's through a combination of distance (height) and speed, it always stayed ahead of the much faster chasing missile long enough for it to run out of fuel, so i'm not so sure of their effectiveness. They might stand half a chance if everything happened in a text book fashion, and all the flight paths were perfect, no delay to launching the defence missile etc. I think they're mostly propaganda.

That 747 based airbourne laser thing would stand a better chance if it happened to be airbourne at the right time and in the right position with no clouds in the way.

I think he looks at gaddaffi who abandoned his programme and was then over thrown by the west after he did this. The reality is a nuclear armed NK does not get attacked a non nuclear NK may get attacked. He knows this just as we know this.
He is a despot and the one thing he wants is power in his own realm. Nukes assure this. Using nukes assures his destruction
I think there is little to worry about him having nukes personally [ or no more than anyone else having them.

Clearly he and his regime is nothing to admire but his desire to have them is perfectly rational and the ultimate deterrent to his enemies - which iirc is the exact reason we have them as well. Given this I am not sure what moral authority we have to lecture him for doing what we do.

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It misses the target.

Not good enough.

Next time try to hit the target.

Go do it again

I know not to feed the troll, but seriously? Are you that much of an arsehole that you think its funny to make light of people being in the way of something like this? Have a word with yourself...

Typical schoolyard bully, continually poking and provoking others then when they respond starts whining about their provocations and he's only defending himself against them.

For a sec I thought I was back in the Bangers thread...

I know not to feed the troll, but seriously? Are you that much of an arsehole that you think its funny to make light of people being in the way of something like this? Have a word with yourself...

It's the British way. We mock and joke about stuff. Surely you know that?

Yeah hilarious, I'm wetting myself. Comedy genius is that...

It's the British way. We mock and joke about stuff. Surely you know that?

Remember the threats from Russia when the US announced they were developing 'Star Wars' system?

A huge success for Reagan's presidency.

The Soviets were forced to bankrupt themselves trying to develop protective systems against what was basically a couple of fancy-looking videos, a significant factor in the eventual collapse of the unsustainable Communist dictatorship.

One interesting view I heard this morning suggested that the Crazy Fat Kids' accelerated nuclear arms programme is evidence that sanctions are actually working.

The news that he has ordered his infantry to "steal corn" from any farmer's field in their vicinity to "maintain body strength" is an indication of just how desperate the internal situation has become. He can't even take care of his top priority.

It's desperate, desperate stuff.

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These ballistic missiles go into low earth orbit

Just a pedantic point - ballistic missiles can go into space but at sub-orbital speeds. Once the power shuts off they follow a ballistic trajectory and gravity brigs them back down.

But that is stilly bloody fast (and hard to hit).

to develop protective systems against what was basically a couple of fancy-looking videos

Pretty expensive video at [url= http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/reagans-star-wars-programmore-than-200-billion-dollars-later-130526?news=850123 ]USD 200 billion[/url]

It really is like putting a child in charge of the big red button. The mentality of these World leaders is absolutely unbelievable.

[quote=Junkyard ]I think he looks at gaddaffi who abandoned his programme and was then over thrown by the west after he did this. The reality is a nuclear armed NK does not get attacked a non nuclear NK may get attacked. He knows this just as we know this.
He is a despot and the one thing he wants is power in his own realm. Nukes assure this. Using nukes assures his destruction
I think there is little to worry about him having nukes personally [ or no more than anyone else having them.
Clearly he and his regime is nothing to admire but his desire to have them is perfectly rational and the ultimate deterrent to his enemies - which iirc is the exact reason we have them as well. Given this I am not sure what moral authority we have to lecture him for doing what we do.

That.

We should just give him a couple of nukes and some old Tridents. There's less chance of an unfortunate accident that way.

Pretty expensive video at USD 200 billion

Allegedly. Other current figures are available.

At the time of the Soviet collapse, fancy videos was indeed all it consisted of.

Since then, the decision was taken to shift the focus of the programme to take into account the new situation of smaller attacks from less enabled threats and this has indeed proved costly.

If THAAD proves it's effectiveness (and the current testing stage suggests that it will) then it's arguably money well spent.

There's less chance of an unfortunate accident that way.

I thought last time the UK tested a Trident it decided it wanted to go to the USA and not the empty patch of sea it was aimed at.

We used to have an old magellan GPS on the boat that whenever the battery was changed would default to home as their US office.

One interesting view I heard this morning suggested that the Crazy Fat Kids' accelerated nuclear arms programme is evidence that sanctions are actually working.

I was thinking the same, wasn't the last time they really ramped up the missle tests when the population were starving to death?

It really is like putting a child in charge of the big red button. The mentality of these World [b]leaders[/b] is absolutely unbelievable.

Remember the old Frankie video (Two Tribes) of Reagan and Gorbachov in a ring fighting. That's what they need to do for real with Kim Jong-un & Donald Trump.

I too am a recent finder of this via DJ Food posting about it

This had me laughing a bit too hard

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Yeah hilarious, I'm wetting myself. Comedy genius is that..

Your complete over reaction certainly is

I've just seen a really interesting documentary about Kim Jong Un.

Apparently, he doesn't have a butt hole.

Are you suggesting he's full of shit?

North Korea's weapons programme is mostly for internal consumption. They're not going to launch missiles on either SK, Japan, or the US as to do so would invite immediate destruction.

Well looking at recent history in - say - Iraq.... the fact that you'll obviously lose seems to be no reason not to spoil for a fight. It seems like a dictatorship thats running out of momentum and doesn't really have an exit strategy. In an information age its going to only keep getting harder to pull the wool over the population's eyes so KJU's career options are a choice between a humiliating climb down and going down fighting - but you can't go down fighting if there isn't a fight. This seems to be lining up to be
a sort of suicide by police.

Also, he's apparently quite fond of Margaritas.

Also, he's apparently quite fond of Margaritas.

I think it's time for the makers of south park to knock up Team America 2
I'm sure Kim would love a bit of banter

I DON'T HAVE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTR.... oh wait...

How insanely stupid is Trump?

After the Americans killed 1/3rd of the n Korean population , dropping more books than either Germany or Japan in the last war the Korean leadership has justified is totalitarian regime by painting them as the great evil that must be stopped at all costs.

http://www.newsweek.com/us-forget-korean-war-led-crisis-north-592630

Trump's childish boasts are just what Kim wants and he's been telling his people to expect.

The German burnt books not dropped um

Reeeppooosttt

They did drop a lot of leaflets though. And if we are being pedantic it is the Germans. 😛

Either DT is playing some incredibly clever game that I don't understand or he is dangerously lacking in a basic understanding of how someone like KJU will capitalise on his actions, the effect on the world of a nuclear strike and the consequences either could bring for so many.

I hope it's the former...

Surry as illiterate as trump there

Dropped more bombs than they did on Germany & Japan, is what I meant to say....

garage-dweller - Member
They did drop a lot of leaflets though. And if we are being pedantic it is the Germans.

Either DT is playing some incredibly clever game that I don't understand or he is dangerously lacking in a basic understanding of how someone like KJU will capitalise on his actions, the effect on the world of a nuclear strike and the consequences either could bring for so many.

Or maybe he is actually quite willing to go ahead with the one of the smallest guys in the class.

btw why do people keep talking about a nuclear war with NK as if it'll be armageddon for the world? It won't be(there's been 2121 nuclear tests, we're still here). It'll seriously mess up one small part of the world but that's it, and it's not even the nukes that'll cause the worst of the damage.

Hardly like Kim has 50 tsar bombas pointing at every country in the world. Kim could just about do in edinburgh, if he got there.

http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html?dll=55.95,-3.2&yd=250&zm=10&op=156

You only really get nuclear annihilation if the russia and america go head to head, not likely(every one else is well behind). you don't get armageddon in a fight of the US v a pipsqueak like NK.

To be honest, the cynic in me says that all this is just pretext to legitimise the use of nukes. Americas perceived power is waning after a string of calamities this century. Wouldn't surprise me if they were quite willing to sacrifice nk as a warning to the other nations mentioned today.

kimbers - Member
Surry as illiterate as trump there

Dropped more bombs than they did on Germany & Japan, is what I meant to say....

to be fair though it was nk that invaded.

interesting post on the concept of nuclear armageddon.

https://www.quora.com/In-a-total-nuclear-exchange-where-the-entire-worlds-arsenals-are-used-how-long-would-the-nuclear-winter-last-and-would-we-survive/answer/Allen-E-Hall-2

Actually just posting this so I can finish reading it the morra!

Has trump always been this insane or is it an age thing. Or maybe his speech writer has the same predicted text problems as my phone ..
Who cleared that UN speech or was it off the cuff?

to be fair though it was nk that invaded.

No doubt, in sure they who that bit in the n Korean textbooks tho!

Trump just blowing hard as usual

To be clear I wasn't suggesting global Armageddon.

It doesn't have to reach that level to be undesirable from a humanitarian perspective.

Any use of nukes is going to have a very serious effect on a large number of people. Conventional warfare would be ugly possibly unwinnable and threaten the south and then there is the risk of knock on effects in the region and intervention from China and Russia. The west's interventions in the middle east were hardly stabilising.

Surely DT standing in the world fell (further) yesterday. Given the chance to address the world leaders, he uses the stages to announce his oitetntial annailation of a country thats arguing with him. Didnt that last happen in 1939 or thereabouts?

His credibility must have plummted, and with it America's. If anyone wanted to impeach a president based on egotistical manicide perhaps nows the time.

btw why do people keep talking about a nuclear war with NK as if it'll be armageddon for the world?

That's not really the point. It's the impact on South Korea (America's ally) that gives cause for concern

Not to mention all those ordinary North Koreans who, given the choice, would probably prefer to carry on living.

@pk13; speech probably written by stephen miller, sidekick to bannon & gorka which probably says it all.
I say 'probably' because he is trump's official speechwriter; trump may have added some 'rhetorical flourishes'.

EDIT: not cannon and forks - it's bannon & gorka.

why do people keep talking about a nuclear war with NK as if it'll be armageddon for the world?

However its impossible to nuke NK without affecting south Korea and China

Even Bannon accepted there was no military solution- mainly because CHina like a buffer state between it and South Korea/Rampant Western capitalism/shit loads of US soldiers

I think we can all agree it would be bad, very bad. SAD

ITs amusing [ yet scary] seeing trump and dear leader trying to out do each other in the deranged war threatening madman stakes

slowoldman - Member
btw why do people keep talking about a nuclear war with NK as if it'll be armageddon for the world?

That's not really the point. It's the impact on South Korea (America's ally) that gives cause for concern should the "orange one" become trigger happy. He really is clueless when it comes to politics.

I'm also quite aware of the regional effect of a war on NK. tbh I doubt it'd last that long, NK won't have the backing of china or russia. And as I say, I'm pretty sure trump is willing to sacrifice NK and "suffer" the consequences of the obvious attacks that'll happen on SK and japan, in pursuit of other goals.

I think we can all agree it would be bad, very bad. SAD

We can, and we do. But in pursuit of geopolitical aims, that's hardly been a barrier in the past to a bit of wanton destruction.

I'm not championing trumps stance btw, far from it. I just really don't think NK is his priority here.

Junkyard - lazarus
why do people keep talking about a nuclear war with NK as if it'll be armageddon for the world?

I am not sure they do

I'm sure many do.

I'm not championing trumps stance btw, far from it. I just really don't think NK is his priority here.

Trumps priority is always Trump

kimbers - Member
I'm not championing trumps stance btw, far from it. I just really don't think NK is his priority here.
Trumps priority is always Trump

1st prize for stating the blinking obvious goes to... 😉 😆

Interesting [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41314562 ]article [/url]on how police deal with people with knives.

Summary - taking your time and not escalating to a point where the knife holder is an immediate threat to the police (so ends up being dead) is sometimes a better approach to going in hard.

In this context, perhaps calming down the rhetoric whilst having sufficient force to react to NK if they push the button is the best approach?

I'm pretty sure trump is willing to sacrifice NK and "suffer" the consequences of the obvious attacks that'll happen on SK and japan, in pursuit of other goals.

If NK do anything, the Kim dynasty will cease to be, even he must realise that. There will be a lot off deaths in Seoul and possibly Japan, however I expect it will be short-lived and Kim knows this.

slowoldman - Member
Well that will go down well in SK and Japan.

I'm sure it will, but they are subservient to the US. Trump made it clear yesterday he's more interested in a show of power against Iran and Venezuela, you know the countries with some natural resources.

tbh I think the most interesting thing from his speech was a change in the rules of engagement. (I'll need to find out what he ment about that)

My instinct is the guy clearly doesn't care much about "collateral damage".

All I'm interested in is ..

Are we deader than dead because two stroppy children have gone beserk with some funky Red Buttons, and we're all living lives as ghosts now ??

Trump made it clear yesterday he's more interested in a show of power against Iran and Venezuela, you know the countries with some natural resources.

NK has a huge amount of natural resources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_North_Korea

Tens of billions of dollars of gold alone
Not sure what dropping an H-bomb on it would do, I can't imagine pre-molten radioactive gold ore being worth a right lot.

Are we deader than dead because two stroppy children have gone beserk with some funky Red Buttons, and we're all living lives as ghosts now ??

No, not yet. At least I don't think so.

The N Korean nukes are quite scary. But the real issue, that no one seems to be mentioning is their Biological weapons capability - the existence of which is likely and the extent is unknown.

It's all very well tossing a few nukes around, but if the Orange Buffoon prompts them to unleash a global smallpox epidemic then that really is worrying.......

It's time for an invasion force to be put together to go in and remove this idiot before he does something stupid.

How many countries do we need to take on the US?

Any evidence of Biological Weapons ?

Why DPRK missiles cannot be shot down!

http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2017/09/no-we-cannot-shoot-down-north-koreas-missiles/141070/?oref=d-river

Any evidence of Biological Weapons ?

There'll be a dossier. Has to be.
It probably makes some claims about a timescale, maybe 45 minutes or so until obliteration.

N Korea was widely believed to have extensive stocks of biological weapons as far back as the early 80s.

Biological weapons are also much easier to hide than nukes, especially in their manufacture, not so much in their storage.

I personally don't have any evidence, though, so make of that what you will. Mind you, I'm not an international weapons inspector or observer and, get this, bad guys sometimes hide shit.

In any case, I don't think any biological capability would be a reason to 'go in' anyway as they have probably had the stuff for so long.